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3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm not sure sure I wouldn't prefer Howell and the top OG in the draft vs. the 4th or 5th best OT prospect. I'm honestly not sure if that OT would be a legit upgrade over Christensen while I think the best OG would be a definite upgrade over our current guards.

Colbert at LG, and Brown at RG. Easy peasy

On 4/15/2022 at 8:09 PM, Panthers Rhule said:

To me, this seems like just another random article talking about what may be possible based on random speculations supposedly from some unknown source whom we are supposed to accept as someone who may or may not have real knowledge about a player's abilities or a coach's system and a team's thought process. 

Presumably,  based on how I interpreted the vague wording, this unknown person doesn't work with SF or Carolina, hasn't worked with Jimmy G nor McAdoo, and yet this is supposed to be taken seriously. 

This is my problem with "journalism" today. It's become another form of entertainment much like "reality t.v." It began in the real world and has also taken over sports and everything else. 

Random ideas, opinions, speculations and sometimes even imagination is presented to us a real news to get attention, sell advertising, and sometimes even to influence our perceptions of reality by creating a "group think" narrative based on an ideological agenda.

The words are always carefully chosen to not be specific so they cannot be directly challenged. Anonymous sources with an important title to give it credibility, subtle use of words expressing possibility such a may, maybe, could, etc. for legal and defensive reasons, and general repetition of such proclamations made repeatedly by multiple sources using the same language to create a sense of fact.

If people read or hear the same idea or story repeated often enough as "news" or "accepted truth" then the majority of people will accept it as fact and ignore the words expressing possibility even though it was never presented to them as fact but only as rumor or an opinion. 

It's a psychological mind trick. You don't have to prove something to be true, you just have to repeat it often enough that people think it must be true. This is how the "group think" opinions are created and belived and why you usually hear people expressing the same things to justify their opinions or beliefs. I can guess most peoples arguments before they give them about 90% of the time for this reason. I read these things and automatically dismiss them as mostly fiction. 

That's a lot of big words there, and we but humble Huddlers. So in your not so humbe opinion. Take this with a grain of salt? A novel thought indeed.

No wait, I can do better. Cool story bro.

Oh wait, I got another one. Somebody just got out of their InterCultural Communitcation Class didn't they?

You folks do realize that is from Josina Anderson. Not Robbie. Right??? lol

1 hour ago, KSpan said:

That's not accurate. Donte's contract is 3 years, 35MM, just under 12 MM a year with $16MM guaranteed. It's the same contract as Gilmore with only one add'l year, and that year has a dead cap of only 3.3MM - it's structured to get out of at that point.

Again, this is all assuming that Gilmore would have come back on a similar deal as the Colts gave him. If he would though and the team is so sold on Jackson for longer due to age, maturity, whatever, then add more years.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/donte-jackson-25154/

Well, where did I get my number from? Sorry about that one. My bad

12 minutes ago, KSpan said:

They only got Donte for 3 years though, and I doubt he sees the third year of that deal one way or another. The age/timespan is a wash at best for that reason alone, and he's missed 10 games to Gilmore's 13 during the same timespan, and that's with Gilmore missing 8 last year when he probably could have played sooner if the team felt it necessary. With respect to being a ballhawk, Jackson has 4, 3, 3, and 2 picks during his years. While it is a higher per-game average than Gilmore, it's hardly lighting it up. For a team as young as Carolina is, particularly in the secondary, I just don't see Jackson and, as importantly, the contract they locked him into as a better option to Gilmore.

Now, the assumption is being made that Gilmore would have come back to Carolina at all. Perhaps he wasn't willing or it was going to take a lot more money to do it, we'll never know. 

We got Donte for about 8mil a year, for 3 years.

Gilmore was about 12mil a year, for 2 years.

We got a better deal on that one.

Also, what makes you say Donte won't see his 3rd year?

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

I’d take Baker over Jimmy providing Cleveland eats most of his contract. 

A healthy Baker, in MacAdoo's system? That just may work.

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Emo. Nailed it.

It's your MO. Well, that and lame azz snark. But you do stay in your lane. 

25 minutes ago, Lurk21 said:

@iamhubby1 I recall him constantly doing that during all the Seattle games. It was a monkey on our back and he was determined to get us over that. Him and Olsen stayed pushing the team during that stretch. 

That 1st one was almost like a franchise turning game. After that game, they pretty much knew they could compete with anyone. We have dang near owned Seattle since. lol

3 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Tepper is smart not to talk he knows no matter what he says he's gonna get criticized. 

See, I don't get this. Why does the owner need to talk? He has guys for that. Nothing good can come from him talking. Like you said:  "No matter what he says, he's gonna get criticized."

4 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Donte got absolutely roasted as the year went on and it was plain to see. If that was his 'best year' then that's unfortunate, because Carolina only locked him up for 3 years vs the 2 that Gilmore got. For that reason I'm not seeing the age advantage at all.

You're also the poster who spent last offseason telling everyone the team wasn't 'our daddy's Panthers' anymore (you may not be wrong though, as they're quite arguably worse from top to bottom) and yet it was plain to see that abysmal season coming a mile off as well. It has nothing to do with looking for the worst, and rose-colored optimism achieves nothing.

This offseason has had some actual competent moves made, but assuming Gilmore was willing to come back for similar money the signing of Jackson over Gilmore in context of the 2 contracts isn't up there on that list. 

2 years ago Donte was still immature. Last year Rhule specifically called him out over how much he had grown. He was coachable, he didn't sulk, and he was willing to help the younger guys. He absolutely had his best year, and he did it while playing hurt most of the year.

Donte absolutely was a leader in the Secondary last year.

I stand by my statement that this ain't "Your daddy's Pantherz". And if we could somehow find a Franchise QB? There's a good chance we could be pretty good.

6 minutes ago, Lurk21 said:

@kungfoodude Yeah Im sure Shaq is animated behind the scenes n etc but i was referring  to when stuff is getting bad and the sidelines just look flat and lethargic. I just have the visions of Davis or Cam and etc going on the sidelines and keeping players focused. That is vital in sports because  some people just naturally  can push other players buttons. Shaq may be doing that but it is obvious that we need a few more guts and Id like my Qb  to be able to keep folk locked in.

Ironically, folks on here for years complained that all Cam did was sit on the sidelines with a towel over his head.

Just shows how really disconnected this place truly is.

1 minute ago, Urrymonster2 said:

Don’t think he ever qualified as a comp pick due to his years accrued in the league

Exactly. But this fact will be glossed over because it doesn't fit the narrative.

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Ironically you came back after multiple meltdowns and concern about your mental state, to complain about the place you took a break from.

What a strange person.

And once again, you have taken that huge brain of yours, and totally missed the spot. But thanks for your input.

You  and others love to throw that emo card around like it means something. Funny how that works for you.

Just now, KSpan said:

The flaw in your premise is that they chose a 'kid' who is notably worse than the 'vet' for the same money. It makes little sense from an on-field perspective.

"Notably worse than the Vet". Not sure I would go that far. Donte is far younger, which gives us more years. And he is coming off his best year. Donte grew up last year. And it showed. At least to those who weren't looking for the worst in things.

My God this place is so far down the toilet, Zod may as well flush it, and start over.

This place has taken the great American Gladiator sport of Football, and turned it into Bridge Night in America. Most on here wouldn't know intestinal fortitude if it came up to them and slapped them upside the head.

So "Ice up", put some dirt on it, and realize that not everything in life will go your way. 

You folks whine when Rhule plays the vets over the kids. Then you whine when he choses a kid over a vet. The "Wine and Cheesers" have come home to roost.

6 minutes ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

Pretty sure nobody will be

The only tears being shed over Rhules' departure are tears of joy. 

43 minutes ago, trueblade said:

Dream - trade with Philly, get Minshew as part of a package of picks that includes a 1st and 2nd rounder.  I haven't done a deep dive on what the whole package would have to be to give them #6. Then draft an OT and use the second rounder on whatever QB is there that we like. 

Nightmare - draft a WR or a CB at #6. [edit to add: trade away our 2023 1st round pick]

Dream- I'm on board with the trade for Minshew and some picks deal.

Nightmare- Taking a QB at 6.

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

We'll see. I hope he is and I hope I'm wrong about everything. I just have to be proved I am wrong. I'd like for BC to be that guy, but I see it more as a panic choice that we had instant buyers remorse for. 

Now, I saw it as Rhule being like most coaches. Vets make fewer mistakes than rookies. So the Vet plays more. Hellz, Rhule even admitted he maybe should have played him sooner.

IMO Brady-Colbert-Bozeman-Brown-Moton, means we don't have to draft an Olineman in the 1st. Opens up the door for that dynamic DE don't cha think?

6 minutes ago, Jmac said:

Rhule wouldn't give him enough snaps last season to fiqure out what the guys got. Now they are wondering if he can be the guy or draft a LT two weeks before the draft. One big cluster fug as usual with this coach.

1 minute ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

The really sad part is he was better than Irving in preseason. He should have been starting day 1, or at least a couple of weeks in. 

Throw in Brown. We have no clue what he is capable of? Or at least we, as fans, have no clue. Well...

I say damm the torpedos' give Brown RG, and put Colbert at LG. Bozeman at C, and Brady and Taylor on the ouside. 

5 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Still have Rhule at the helm. Still don't have a QB or an LT. Still don't have much draft capital. Still could end up trading picks away next year to get more picks for this year.

Until I see a concrete reason for optimism, it will be absent from me. Unt we start winning, it will be seem as something still out of reach. Until Rhule either gets fired or shows he's not in over his head and pulls a playoff run out of his ass, I'm not a believer. And it will take a deep playoff run to get me back in...and even then, I would only be there temporarily, because I need to see it not just pulled out once, but I need back to back winning seasons. 

I'm done with the low bar.

Well alllllrriiiiiighty then. 

I will leave you with this. YES, we do have a LT. His name is Brady Christensen. The kid played LT rather well, when he was actually given an opportunity.

So we've got that going for us.

5 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I hope Roy and and another DT step up; often year 3 is a charm.  I think we are better at LB than last year, and I think our secondary (with Horn and X) will be upgraded.  I am not ready to call Henderson (CB) a bust, but Hartsfield at Nickel with Horn and Jackson is not bad.  We need a pass rusher, but do not forget, YGM is entering year 3---CJ and Hardy were head scratches until year three.  Give Haynes some reps....we really could be good.  I think too often people pull the bread out of the oven too soon and think the bread sucks.  Maturation (Henderson, YGM, Roy) is going to be important.

No doubt there is a lot of young talent on that D. Adding a stud DE would be the cherry on top baby. If I had my way, I would add the best DE I could find. Whether that is at 6. Or some other solution.

I really feel that if MacAdoo can help Sam, and Campen can help the Oline. All we need is for the Offense to get up into the 20s, and this team is capable of competing.

Or...something totally unforseen happens. Then all bets are off.

12 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I hate to say this, but anyone watching the OL like I do (used to coach OL so I got trained to do so) would realize that the middle of the OL was the biggest problem.  Not to say that OT was on point, but BC was decent there when I watched.  Does that mean he is the next Joe Thomas?  No, but all NFL offensive lines have a weak link--it is when you have 2 that it becomes problematic.  The salary cap will prevent you from having an OL with 5 top notched players--so you need to be good at 2, decent at 2, and maybe developing at 1. I think BC has the athleticism to be decent.

I say, let Brady have LT. See if Colbert can play LG, if he can, put Brown at RG. Leave Moton at RT, and Bozeman at C, and let's go to war.

Get the best DE in the 1st. Then let's get to rejoicing.

3 minutes ago, rayzor said:

we're too used to settling for better than what we had (hoping that it actually is, but finding out eventually it really isn't). we let the bar of expectation get too low and because of that we're going to keep losing.

How about this? Last year our Offense was our Achilles Heel. We've done quite a bit to upgrade said Offense. 

1. We have upgraded our Oline. And still have the draft.

2. We have upgraded our Oline Coach. 

3.We have upgraded our Signal Caller.

4. We have added Freeman. A RB that upgrades our short yardage situation.

5. We have added experienced Coaches, with winning reumes to the staff.

6. Oh, and we still have the draft.

Lots to get excited about. 

2 minutes ago, rebelrouser said:

That is a fair argument, but we are not likely to have the number 1 pick or be able to trade for someone like Wilson. QB's are a crap shoot and Darnold is not the answer. I would be willing to take a flyer on a Matt Corral or Sam Howell in the second round.  

IMO, with an improved Oline (With the draft still to come, and Camden as the coach, why not?), and MacAdoo calling plays. Maybe, just maybe, Sam can be servicable?

I personally, would not draft a QB this year.

1 hour ago, rebelrouser said:

This would be an A+ draft for us but would require a good deal of luck.  We probably couldn't trade down past Chargers at 17 and still get Pennington. A decent qb should be left for us in round 2 though.

See, I don't get this? Why should we SETTLE for a DECENT QB? IMO, if we can't get a really good one, why not just pass? (Pun unintended)

If you don't get the QB you want early. Let it go. There are plenty of other fish in the ponds. Although with the QB pond. It is so shallow, you can practically reach in and grab you a QB. They are all pretty much the same.