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3 minutes ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Sacks aren’t the definitive stat for NTs. They’re not the end all be all qualifier for defensive linemen, not even DEs. They’re more important for DEs, but not the whole story. 

I believe too many folks are caught up in the "If you aren't making highlight reel plays on instant repays, or ESPN highlights. You're not doing your job" mentality.

7 minutes ago, Ghostface Chilla said:

 

The 11-3 Trojans, who ended up ranked 12th overall? That was Sam's last year at SC. Or going back further to 2016, where they were 10-3 and won the Rose Bowl over Penn? I wish he had the same connection he had with his team (and fans) then, than he has here. 

 

For a team game like football, the QB get more credit, or blame than they  usually deserve. But that's football.

As for how he is treated here? I have no answer, or at least not one I'm willing to say out loud. You don't temp fate with the "Candy Man" mystique 

3 minutes ago, Luciu5 said:

The season is over for me but it's crazy how folks lose all sense here.  Can't wait for more reasonableness.  Maybe in the off-season.

Unfortunately, I don't see an end in sight. It probably  won't get better until maybe the draft. God forbid we have a bad draft. But it will take until we start winning games for this place to get back to...normal.

There is just a small number of us Cockeyed Optimist left. lol By the end of the year, we may  be on the endangered species list.

8 minutes ago, BrianS said:

I don't.  When do you anticipate the players giving up?  To me it's obvious when it happens.  Witness, Ron Rivera's last year.

If you wish to wallow in misery because we lost badly, feel free.  As I said, I anticipate we'll bounce back.  I don't yet have evidence that the players have given up.  We fought in every game last year save for a couple.  I expect to see us fight this week. 

If we start to get repeatedly blown out without signs of a fight, that's a different story.  But it's a story not yet written.

We are not even halfway through the season. I am not ready to burn it down just yet.

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

"There was happiness. A few losses later. This place is up in arms." 

You literally didn't type it out.  You implied it. 

You can think anything you want.  But if you post your opinion on something, you should be able to handle that a certain percetnage will agree and disagree.   You can think Clausen was owed a second season.  You post it here, people will respond with their own opinion of the statement.   That is one of the primary funcitons of the message board. 

Sam is very likeable.   He has proven for 4 straight seasons he isn't a starting QB though.  

You keep quoting me like you are going to use some Jedi mind trick and I'll all of a sudden agree with you? It is not going to happen. I am not in "Burn it down mode" like so many Huddlers.

I've seen this Offense work. I'll wait this year out, and see where it goes before I jump off that cliff.

Considering Rhule has only been here a year and a half. lol

8 minutes ago, frankw said:

Eight turnovers in four games is a big part of the issue. If you've got a problem with that talk to Sam.

Yeah, because every bad play is Sam's fault. This is a team game. Sam needs help from both the OC, and his recievers.

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

No, you were implying the huddle was overeacting and changing course to quick on Sam.   I was reminding you that everyone doesn't fall into that narrative. 

Sam Darnold has been Sam Darnold his entire QB career.  Sam flawed QB essentially from USC to Carolina.  

Dang dude. I said. "We started 3-0 and folks were happy. Then we lost 4 in a row, and here we are". I never said overreacting. That's you putting words in my mouth.

I  get it. You don't like Sam. And I say, it is still too early for that. And you have a problem with that.

I also said; Agree to disagree. But that wasn't listened to either.

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

there is no turning anything around.  I wasn't part of the playoff/MVP crowd. 

Sam has basically been Sam the entire time he has been here.  I've been pretty consistent about that. 

 

 

So, because you weren't part of that crowd it didn't exist? You twisted the twist. That is tough work.

1 minute ago, Snake said:

 

This is usually when I go about my day. You made your point. Not that it will be excepted. It's a lot easier to just blame the QB than really understand the real issue. 

Folks are frustrated, and there aren't enough enemies around for them to take their frustrations out on. So they lash out here. It's the nature of the beast.

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

and Sam was still making a lot of really dumb and bad plays during that 3-0 run vs weak comp.  Some wouldn't acknowledge that.  Even guys in the media who really knew the Jets like Mike Greeney were like, yeah, it is looking better and it nice to get exited...but a lot of what makes Sam bad is still there and on display during the 3-0 run.    

See, you turned that one around as well. I said folks were happy going 3-0. Not that there wasn't problems. 

7 minutes ago, trueblade said:

To be fair, you weren't "asking for patience".

You were trying to make two arguments in favor of Sam

A) Sam would be a better QB than Dak if he had Dallas' OL and weapons,

B) Sam could "read the field".

Both of your arguments are wrong and people pointed that out.

See, this is how it is. I get credited for a quote I didn't make. @Snakemade the comparison.

Second. There were also posts pointing out Sam going through his progressions. So he can read the field. The problem is; He and his receivers are having trouble getting, and staying on the same page. Throw in this Oline. And it's a recipe for what has transpired.

Edit to add; That asking for patience was in another thread. Let's try and keep this mess straight.

3 minutes ago, travisura said:

Glad you were able to crack the code lol

Well, I did watch "The Da Vinci Code".

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Guys, guys, guys. Sam can totally do all these things that he's never actually shown an ability to do in three and a half NFL seasons. Just be patient.

Funny how the Huddle was talking Playoffs just a few short weeks ago. There was happiness.

A few losses later. This place is up in arms. 

Asking for patience in this place ain't going to happen.

The 1st 3.5 games folks were happy. They even talked Playoffs.

What happened? Loses. The Huddle don't like em. 

Just now, frankw said:

We have visual evidence of his inability to see the field in the horrific interceptions he has thrown with time and other options.  When was the last time he completed a deep pass? Week one?

When's the last time he had time to throw?

The real problem is; At the start of the year most thought 5-8 wins would be an improvement. Then the 3 game win streak, followed by 4 loses. Now folks are up in arms. That is the problem

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

put Sam in Dallas and he still cant' read a field though.  So it largely would just be the Dallas machine doing what it does.  They become super run heavy.  Sam just checking down. 

Meanwhile, Dak would be down here doing what Dak does.   Dak can read the field.  Dak can get the ball out quick.  We saw last year that can work.  But unlike Teddy, Dak would then bring everything Teddy lacked.  He would be making all those plays downfield.  

What team would have a better record? Don't know.  Which QB would be better? Dak.  And it's not hard.  Dak can play QB in the NFL. 

You are just speculating. Reading the field? Throwing downfield? Sam can do those as well. 

Agree to disagree. 

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Re-read what I typed.

So...once again you  take no responsibility  for misquoting, then insulting another Huddler.

Got it.

4 minutes ago, frankw said:

When people see the same mistakes there will always be comparisons and complaints. It happened with Rivera too and he got way more grief from this fanbase. It's too early to start being dramatic about this only a handful of folks want Rhule to be fired.

Compare him to other Coaches at the 1.5 year mark. Otherwise you are not being fair.

23 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Sam sucks. I'm not crying about it. This is exactly what I expected. You're sitting here honest to god trying to argue that Sam Darnold would be better than Dak Prescott all other things remaining equal. Get it together, man. That's show poo.

Way to twist his words around. Maybe reread what he actually said.

I'll help. @Snake said the if you put Sam in Dallas, and Dak here. Sam probably plays better. Pretty simple concept.

3 minutes ago, frankw said:

7 winning seasons. It's always been this way. This isn't a perennial contender year in and year out and until that changes this is what you get it's no different for other franchises in similar circumstances.

It is the 2nd year of a rebuild. That other stuff does not apply anymore. Judge Rhule on Rhule, not by past regimes.

On 10/28/2021 at 10:13 AM, SetfreexX said:

TL;DR -- We are on schedule

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The 3-0 start had us all hype, happy, excited, and to me that is what has made the last 4 games more painful than they should be. However, most seasoned and realistic fans could see in the off-season / post Darnold trade / post draft that we were probably a 6-9 win team. We were coming off a 5-11 year and had just traded for a HUGE question mark at QB.

With that in mind let's look at some changes considering we are 1 season and 7 games into the rebuild...more so on the offense...

QB - 

Teddy Bridgewater >>> Sam Darnold -- This is a net negative IMO, Darnold has more talent, but he's a worse QB (TBF and I'm not a TB fan / apologist -- we probably beat PHI / MIN / NYG with Teddy - Darnold has proven to be inept at reading coverage)

HB - 

CMC & Mike Davis >>> CMC is on IR, Chuba is not matching Davis' production but I can give him a bit of a pass as a 4th round rookie behind a bad OL who has still flashed on occasion; he just needs to work on his brick hands at the moment, as big as Freeman is, his pass pro is lacking but he is a competent runner.

FB - 

Alex Armah >>> Giovanni Ricci -- Armah is the better pure blocker, Ricci is more versatile -- We should have kept Armah

WR - 

DJ, Robbie, Curtis >>> DJ, Robbie - DJ has been for the most part what we were expecting, Robbie is ''trying'' too hard to live up to the money by pressing to make plays, and Darnold's terribly inconsistent accuracy isn't helping his receivers. TMJ due to Darnold's ineptitude has been limited & recently concussed, and Shi Smith just played his first 2 games of the season in weeks 6 & 7.

TE - 

Ian Thomas, Chris Manhertz >>> Ian Thomas, Tommy Tremble -- I think we're clearly better here, Tommy already has a couple TD's on his young resume, his athleticism shows regularly. To me Joe Brady needs to call more plays to get them involved with CMC absent, and the attention on DJ / Robbie. Darnold needs to look to them more. 

OL - 

Okung (Trent Scott), Schofield (Chris Sneed) >> With Erving, & Elflein you could almost call it a wash due to how many games Okung missed, with Elflein out guys like Daley have been exposed so much so that we are down to the 3rd stringer in Jordan, Miller seems worse than last year as most of us were okay with his return. Paradis, and Moton are the only consistency we have, Christensen is a rookie and learning, and Brown is now on IR. Overall I think in time this will come together, we just have to improve the Guard play on both sides. 

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I think it is safe to say the defense is much better, a complete turnaround, gone is the 3-3-5 and in comes a more traditional 3-4 alignment from our base, and most of the guys from last year remain (Burns / Brown / Gross-Matos / Shaq / Jackson / Chinn / Burris)

FA Additions:

DaQuan Jones, Morgan Fox, Haason Reddick

Trade acquisitions:

Stephon Gilmore, C.J. Henderson

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I know this 4 game skid, and potentially one longer than that are beyond frustrating and take most of us back to 2007 - 2010, where we faltered around a bit back as we attempted to replace Delhomme -- Moore, Clausen, Pike, St. Pierre to now attempting to replace Cam with Bridgewater, and Darnold to date. 

I write this to say, honestly what was been done with the defense through a season was / is impressive, and with an active body at GM, it is likely we will continue to improve the roster as free agency and cap space for the first time in a long time will afford us some opportunities to upgrade the offensive line in free agency with more proven targets.

I know a lot of you are concerned with our draft capitol, but we still have:

1st / 4th (HOU) / 5th (JAX) / 5th / 6th / 6th (LVR) / 7th (TEN)

That is still 7 total picks, it is still to be determined if we stand pat with our first or look to trade down (my money is on trading down), if so we will make up for missing picks, but do not forget that ''we ADDED 11 rookies this past draft'', so we are not hurting in the youth / depth departments aside from a couple positions, the likely-hood of a rookie 2nd or 3rd rounder starting is low; they're usually contributors year one aside from the gems that fall (like Chinn). 

Point is, we have options, and we have a GM that seems capable, this was never supposed to be ''our season / time''. The expectation was always some steady improvement in S1 / S2 of the rebuild with us being in position to make some credible noise in S3. 

I do believe we are on pace for that, so keep your heads up, and #KeepPounding 

Nice take. This team does have a lot more talent than it did when Rhule arrive. 

The consensus when the season started was "I just want to see improvement". Then we won the first three games, and folks lost their perspective.

Just now, Snake said:

Logic hasn't always been the best here. Notice how I'm always the insert QB hugger guy now too. The fact that Heinicke is playing better than Darnald should raise some eyebrows around here but it doesn't.

Folks are frustrated right now. I would say that winning some games might help, but I'm not really sure it would at this stage.

The team looked good to start the year. If we could somehow get that mojo back. It would go a long way to soothe some of the ills.

6 minutes ago, Snake said:

Better a than a crybaby like you... 

 

It is amazing how folks take this out of context just to rip on you. lol

Sam in Dallas very well could play better that Dak here. 

Edit to add; Bring Kellen Moore here, and give Dallas Brady? Sam probably plays better.

7 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean, I didn't have to do anything but watch you melt down over absolutely nothing. 

I really feel guilty living in your head rent free. There's lot's of room up here. You could probably build condos, that would be good use of all this empty space.