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32 minutes ago, frankw said:

People are leading with their emotions instead of their eyes. Nobody hates Shaq. He's been pretty beloved here overall. But he has not fully lived up to his first round status and sizable salary cap allocation. That could change but by the end of his contract he will be 30 with a nearly 20 million dollar cap hit and history is not on his or our sid in that department. When I look at this discussion I'm reminded that there were people who rejoiced in 2010 when we retained that roster and overpaid. At some point folks have to learn because the Panthers repeat the same mistakes. That is why Fitterer was brought in with a different mentality and approach to the draft instead of overindulgence in linebackers and running backs. Well at least that's what we hope.

Unfortunately, folks use the "Same ol Panthers" as part of their arguments. Until they get in step to the new regime, they will continue to use it as an excuse.

2 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Low on the TDs and high on the INTs and a little high on the yardage.

30-35 TDs (including rushing) and less than 15 INTs.

 

If our D plays as expected. With those numbers we are sniffing the PlayOffs. I tell ya what.

10 minutes ago, Kentucky Panther said:

I would like to see close to 30 - 34 Touchdowns. Especially with the lengthened schedule. Picks, 13 sounds good to me. 

10 minutes ago, joemac said:

Yeah I'm predicting ~4300-4500 yards for Sam, 28-35 TDs and 12-16 INTs.  

Yeah, I like both of these. I did want to bump his TDS to around 30, but I didn't want to seem to excited. Tempered expectations and all that jazz.

I'm sorry but...IMO the Safety position is in worse shape at this point in time.

At Safety, we have Chinn, and ...???

At least at LB we have Shaq, above average. Perryman, above avg.. And Riddick, a way above avg. rusher. And we have depth.

So no, LB is not our worse position.

Bump up the TDs a bit, like 25+. Cut down the INTs a bit, 13 or so. And Hubby be happy. Hellz, that's PlayOff numbers.

2 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

I agree he is probably overpaid.  But there are ways of getting around that, or at least lessening the blow.

Next year his cap hit is 18m including 11m in salary.  Convert the 11m to 2m in salary and a bonus of 9m with an extra dummy year.  Now his cap hit is around 12m.  Not too bad.

The next year, do it again.  Cap hit is 22m or so including 12m in salary.  Convert 10m salary to bonus with 2m in salary.  Now the cap hit is 17m.  High but again manageable.  He's 29 years old and in his absolute peak.  

Yes your now carrying 8m in dead money for a dummy year but who cares - we just won our first Superb Owl.

Do it. Do it. Just go ahead and do it.

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

Thanks for exhibit A. 
 

  “Please go away and stop talking bad about my team”. 
 

 And just like you did ITT, you and your homers question me. I just offer up a point of view. One that keeps coming true over and over and over. And the homers object but only can offer up this same cop out of “you’re not a fan” after their lack of knowledge runs dry. 

lol

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

Look there are several posters on this forum that are just here to be critical and troll the fans here. If this guy thinks Shaq is above average/good, who cares. The argument over average starter/good player can really come down to opinion. He went from Luke to Whitehead with young players all around him. I personally don’t think he is anything special, but who cares if someone else does. I’m just annoyed at the trolls/fans of other teams on here constantly talking down about the Panthers on a Panthers Fan Forum. Let us fans have our offseason hype, if you want to debate about players that’s great. But (not you) I’ve noticed some are constantly against the team, and really can’t figure out why they are posting here.

This thread was going along just fine. Until our resident bullies jumped in. Now it has gone down the crapper.

There are only a handful of these types up in here. But once they engage you, it's over. You can't get away. They follow you around, insulting everything you say. It's ridiculous.

They make it difficult to engage in civil discourse. They attack "Homers" like it is open season. Why? Because we are happy, and they can't stand it.

Being a "Homer" should not be a Capital Offense.

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's reality. Being our best LB isn't saying much. It's easily our weakest positional group on D with Chinn at safety. 

I was just pointing it out. We already knew you weren't to high on Shaq. So you could have left that negative part out. You don't have to be negative in every post. (Like the post you just made. lol)

Also,  there are only 3 units, some unit has to be the worse. 

20 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, he's our best LB (if we're officially considering Chinn a safety now) but LB isn't a strength of ours either. Honestly, that's why Shaq is here with that contract. Luke retired and Hurney panicked. Then he restructured an already bad contract and made it worse. Classic Hurney.

You just had to throw that in huh? lol Other than that, I concur with that statement.

20 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

Its not hard to describe a off-ball average LB that has cap hits of 8m,18m and 19m respectively.  He is not Luke or TD.  He has 4 forced fumbles and 1 int in his career. What part of that is worth those cap numbers?

I know he is a favorite of some for some unknown reason other than he has been here a long time. 

So, you aren't a fan of Shaq. That's fine. I however, am still behind him. At least for one more year. Then we'll see what happens,

1 minute ago, PootieNunu said:

I don't want to see anymore restructures for him. Replace him get the dead cap out of the way. We dont want an aging average LB when the team is ready to compete. Either ride it out and take the stupid cap hit or cut him and take the dead money cap hit.

Either way its time to hit the door.

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, he's not bad. He's just not a difference maker. Plug him into a good D and you still have a good D. Same with an average D. Same with a bad D. He won't create a problem but he also won't help elevate a unit. 

See, IMO, he is still the best LB on our team. He can cover, he can tackle, he can hit, and he can run. The kid can play.

You guys? It seems you are not feeling it. Hey, no sweat. 

And I do admit that contract is a killer. Gone be interesting to see this work out? It really is going to be difficult keeping him on the team next year.

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Nah, he's just significantly overpaid and a significant disappoinment by the standard of Panthers 1st round LBs. When the measuring sticks are Morgan, Beason, TD, Luke, etc. just being a decent starter is a disappointment.

I already admitted he is over-paid. If you can look past that, the kid can play. I can't convince you otherwise, and I know that. All I am saying is, the kid is better than most folks give him credit for. It's not his fault he is over-paid.

Also, his contract for this year is about what he deserves. So he isn't over-paid yet. But if they can't do something about his future money. Then yeah, he will be over-paid.

11 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

For me it is the contract. If we keep him next year he has a cap hit of 18m, if we cut him he has a dead cap hit of 12m, we are already paying him 8m this year. 

I dont want the team to waste 20-26m over the next 2 seasons for an average LB. 20m for one season if we just release him, 26m for 2 seasons if we keep him.

Oh, I get that he is over-paid. But, that is only one of many things folks harp on him. Me? The kid is better than most on here are willing to admit. 

Take that contract out of the equation, and he probably get more love.

Lastly, you can't blame him for that contract. Judge the player, not the money.

I'm guessing the reason Shaq gets so much unwarranted grief, is because he is a hold-over from the previous regime.

I was promised arguments. Now dammit, you folks start arguing. 

Great job @Michael G. I love my OPs to have a recap. For some reason, some folks just can't be bothered.

2 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

Darnold is on the list once, they say he is the worst passer outside of the pocket. 

Lock and Wentz are very prominent throughout the article. 

Wentz is on it 3 times, Lock 4.

I was under the impression that Sam was good outside the pocket. One day he is good, the next day he is bad. No wonder I'm confuseded.

4 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

Look.  I've actually learned a bit from some of the  interactions with the trolls.  And I ignore a lot of posts.  I try not to derail threads.  But sometimes...c'mon.

The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the one.

Could someone post a recap?  The OP failed to do so. I can't read, so somebody needs to tell me what the heck is going on. How will I ever know whether to be upset or not?

Also, you are crazy if you think I am going to click some rando link. That's how you get viruses.

Just now, SBBlue said:

I'm probably never going to learn.

I just had to remind you in the "Shaq" thread. That's two. One more and there will be consequences. Severe consequences I tell ya what.

11 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

QUIT feeding the Trolls

1 minute ago, CanadianCat said:

I got sucked in.. 

lol   No problem at all. Just needed to get that off my chest. BUT...now you know better. Right? Don't make me have to chastise you again. Mkay?

Always remember, "I must not tell lies". No wait. "I must not feed the Trolls." 

14 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

Stop responding to him. 

Seriously.  

It always amazes me how many people think they can either. 1. Out Troll a Troll, or 2. Reason with a Troll. lol

We can say "Don't feed the Trolls", until you're blue in the face. Yet, folks still do it.

3 hours ago, 1usctrojan said:

Unlike you, her IQ is considerably greater than her shoe size.  The youngest is autistic, a great free lance artist that works for Disney and various anime comics.  Both would eat you alive intellectually.

Oh snap