Dragoon11

5 hours ago, Butterflyj30 said:

The majority of Real Panthers Fans are rooting for The Falcons today

The majority of Panthers fans have no expectations at this point. 

25 minutes ago, strato said:

hey everyone Bryce just needs the right coach. 
 

Lol, because he threw for over 200 today. I understand both sides of the argument. Would they say the same thing if Bryce had thrown for 100 yards and two picks today? He didn't though. He actually had a pretty good day, and it did look like play calling was more of the reason. And that's what we cannot seem to figure out. How much is BY and how much is Canales being the OC? Either way, we're still in purgatory.

7 hours ago, TD alt said:

Moving the ball down field and getting close to scoring position, and you do a trick play, on a wet field no less. My, oh my.

Yeah, I will never understand that play. There's a REAL lack of situational awareness going on with the play calling. 

6 hours ago, Johnstonny said:

He looks pretty bad...but when your QB is bad, well.... he's not this offensive guru genius he thinks he is...he needs an OC

Yeah, I'm not sure why Dave, as an inexperienced head coach, has decided to take the reigns as the play caller on offense. It hasn't been a good look for him this year, especially after today. Typically, if the defense holds a team to 16 points you should be able to win. We've seen this defense exceed expectations and make crucial stops and turnovers. Just to watch the offense not take advantage. Panthers are losing because of the offense and it's as clear as day.

2 hours ago, Castavar said:

I'm not proud of a team who choked 4 times to get to the playoffs. Yet another losing season under Tepper and we're about to extend one of the worst QBs in the league. 

That's the biggest take away that I get. Panthers had 4 opportunities to win this division. Even when Tampa was gift wrapping it to us. That's the most frustrating thing. Who cares if we beat GB, and the Rams? We also lost to the Bills 40-9 and the Patriots 42-13, so what does that say? We couldn't beat the Saints ONE time, and that's all they needed. All we've proven is that we cannot win games that matter the most, which honestly, is most games.

2 hours ago, PantherChris said:

Hes got a million dollars on the line and damn sure knows losing yards risks that.... lmfao 

 

No he probably couldn't process the exact yardage but I guarantee you he knew he didnt want to lose yards 

Which would speak more about the state of the NFL and the game we love more than anything. Because if Rico is doing that so are other players. Maybe it's time to stop supporting this league if this is true. As hard as that may be. It's sure not the game I grew up watching. Neither is college football. Just saying... IF this is the case.

4 minutes ago, Dragoon11 said:

I was saying the same thing. I mean, the pass game was working FAIRLY well. Why in the world in a game where we've already seen multiple drops by both teams, in those conditions, would you call a flea flicker? Have they even attempted one this year? Just shows you the lack of situational awareness of Canales. Just desperation. WTF.

 

I apologize if it wasn't a designed flea flicker. But if it wasn't it's even worse. REALLY cements the fact we're not close to being a playoff team... we have bigger problems.

6 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

In these conditions after watching not only our team but the opposing team fumble snaps and lose footing, I’ve been said it, our problems are deeper than Bryce, both canales and young need to go 

I was saying the same thing. I mean, the pass game was working FAIRLY well. Why in the world in a game where we've already seen multiple drops by both teams, in those conditions, would you call a flea flicker? Have they even attempted one this year? Just shows you the lack of situational awareness of Canales. Just desperation. WTF.

Dave "the Pete Carroll prodigy" Canales! That's who! He really pulled one deep from his sleeve on that call! Play was called "deep dagger... on two!"

1 hour ago, Swaggasaurus said:

Oh and the kick. Fitz max is about 50 in perfect conditions. 53 yard attempt in a monsoon? Flea flicker in a monsoon with nobody running a go?

LMAO! Yeah, what a BRILLIANT call by Canales in wet conditions when the pass game was going ok. Just genius!

Just now, Dragoon11 said:

Because of the way they have done it. They've had what, three or four games to wrap this up, EVEN when the Bucs were gifting it to us and just shat all over the bed. It's not that we don't want them to make the playoffs, it's just that there's ZERO pride to be taken here. Let's be honest, if they do make it and host a playoff game, how do you think it will go? "Oh, anything can happen". Well it has for the last few weeks, and yet. In all honesty, the NFL should change the rules. If a division winner finishes with a losing record, it should default to the non-eligible playoff team with best record gets in. 

We're ALL pissed, and rightfully so. Sick of this shat!!

4 hours ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

Me, too. But they lost. Now they can still get in with a Saints loss. Why would any fan root against their team making the playoffs?

Because of the way they have done it. They've had what, three or four games to wrap this up, EVEN when the Bucs were gifting it to us and just shat all over the bed. It's not that we don't want them to make the playoffs, it's just that there's ZERO pride to be taken here. Let's be honest, if they do make it and host a playoff game, how do you think it will go? "Oh, anything can happen". Well it has for the last few weeks, and yet. In all honesty, the NFL should change the rules. If a division winner finishes with a losing record, it should default to the non-eligible playoff team with best record gets in. 

Probably the truest take we've had here in a while. There's ZERO dog on this team. Ultimately, there's just not enough talent overall. The Seattle game made that apparent!

I'm not. This team in no way deserves to be a playoff team, and a warm up game for a real playoff team.

5 hours ago, TD alt said:

This hasn't got a thing to do with X's country leanings and southern drawl (I may be perceived as having one, particularly from Yankees or Midwesterners of which I grew up with), but regarding football IQ he may just be unduly affecting the entire perception of the OP's perception of the team on that front.

I could be wrong (let's get that out of the way), but in general, I just think that the team's inconsistency of lack of execution is due to a lack of talent, a lack of coaching--specifically a failure to utilize personnel effectively, and, along that same vein, a lack of scheme fit to maximize players' skills, and/or simply an inability to overcome weak links at pretty important positions on both sides of the ball. It could be some, part, or all of those things. And, the fact is, we just don't appear to be ready for the big time. We need some more pieces and more experience. Only then will we have a team whose IQ is not questioned, and a that wins and is expected to win.

 

Good point. It's a "product of their own success" kind of scenario. At the beginning of the season no one here expected this team to be playing for the division title in week 16 or 18 this year. Fans have been SOOO hungry for winning that they cannot stay objective with a very young team that is still developing. It's so obvious the Panthers need a few more pieces and consistency all around. But, it seems the microscope suddenly became bigger when they exceed expectations. When the reality is, they're the same team we thought MIGHT win 7 games at best this year. It's just that the rest of the teams in the division have performed well below expectations, so there's a bit of a false hope now. Not saying they cannot continue to exceed, but this time of year the real NFL talent emerges. No room for error anymore.

On 12/30/2025 at 5:41 PM, ProcessBlue2 said:

That’s more discipline. 
 

IQ? Half the team in 96 were dumbasses

But that was because of the steroids. They had to stop after 2003. Then they became smart!!

Just now, ncbob said:

It’s not semantics, I don’t even recall college coaches taking a knee with two minutes to go, jmo. It’s football players get hurt, you don’t quit. 

But they are professionals, not college or high school players. They understand the situation and the reason. Trust me, they're beating themselves for the loss, not even giving the knell down a second thought. I think these guys like playing for Canales. I don't sense locker room strife with these guys. Trust me, I get where you're coming from, it a fair take. But at that point in the game it's not perceived as quitting. Who's to say he didn't ask the team? Stands to reason if a key player can get hurt on the first play of the game, a key player can on the last play. Imagine that discussion? If Dowdle goes down on a play that is meaningless when they are playing for the title next week?

37 minutes ago, acwimby24 said:

Yeah I’m a little sad that I never had much to root for in my childhood sports teams (Hornets, Panthers).

I hope that the Panthers will be good for my children to enjoy them during their childhood like I never could during mine 

This really says A LOT about this organization. Less about individual players and more about management when the lack of success has become generational. The Panthers between 1995 and 2015 were a fairly successful team, with the exception of a couple of rebuild years in between. The one cornerstone IMO, and that speaks to the "keep pounding" mantra has always been having a top tier hard nosed defense. IDK, today's NFL is a little different. Defense certainly still matters, but I think having a true franchise QB and real depth is what you need to be consistently successful. Oh... and great organizational management that KNOWS the formula for success.

2 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

Try this on for nostalgia 

Lol, very nice! Back when Julius Peppers was hitting his stride and Smitty was becoming THAT guy! Panthers defense was elite during the Fox era. Had Rucker opposite of Peppers, Kris Jenkins, Minter, and of course Dan Morgan. I didn't start paying for monthly Internet until around that time. Became a huddle member around 2012 or 2013. Very nice memory!

3 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

08 site crash..... I think i joined in 04 when it was panthershuddle I came here because they shut down the scout boards....  I mean dial up internet and the nfl website looking like this heck I remember reading this cover article during the pre season lol.

Ahh, what a nice walk down memory lane. Back when we expected the Panthers to win games. Not surprised.

58 minutes ago, ncbob said:

These guys are paid to play 60 minutes, I have never seen a coach do that in the NFL, we’re supposed to keep pounding, as a coach you can’t quit on your team no matter what the odds are. 

These are semantics. We see teams take out starters all the time in run away games. It's not a new thing. We lost our starting TE on the first play from scrimmage, then a special teams player. By this time of year I think it's fair to say the kids have earned their money. And it makes sense not to have unnecessary risk at the end of a game that has clearly been decided already, especially considering the magnitude of next week's game on the road. I get your point, but at the same time... this isn't what was to take from this game.

Just now, CPantherKing said:

3-3 at Half against #1 seed = Canales win

Having Bryce, Chuba and Jaycee hand 17 points to the Seahawks in the 2nd half = players loss

Canales was not given the chance to coach in 4Q when it should have been a 10-10 game.

Good take! I can agree with that! Players have to make plays in the big moments. Obviously, easier said than done. But very true, Panthers had golden opportunities in the first have to seize momentum in a hostile environment. They HAVE to get a TD after that strip by Scourton. It's playoff level football. Every opportunity! We're still in control, but a young team still figuring things out... clearly!

34 minutes ago, beckersteen said:

Seriously. There are two options and people choose the brain rotted one. 1) Bryce is some QB god that is just waiting to explode all this hidden potential all over the football field, BUT we have this idiot head coach who somehow can't call go, post, or seam routes OR 2) Bryce fuging sucks and Canales is scheming the best he can to account for that.

Hmm...

And there's two types of azzholes in this world 1) one that thinks their opinion is the ONLY opinion, and just throws insults at everyone that has a different take. And 2) one that has ZERO idea they are such and has nothing truly original to add to a conversation. Maybe the Panthers were simply outmatched today. Is that a FAIR take? You know, in case you didn't hear, the Seahawks are not too shabby. But since you mention it, out of the 24 vast amount of pass attempts, how many WERE go, post, or seem routes?? And Id say the biggest majority of people here are aware of Young's inabilities/shortcomings. With a few radical exceptions of course. Because, you know, none of us really need instructions for heating your beloved poo tarts.

7 minutes ago, frankw said:

I cannot make this more clear. We can fire Canales we can fire Evero we can fire the entire staff and start all over from scratch....again. But no coach alive or dead is going to be able to change Bryce Young's physical limitations. All of these issues revolve around the fact that he is NOT a franchise QB.

I'm not advocating for his firing. This is the best the Panthers have been in a long time. We are trending upward. Just talking about the game plan on offense today. Did we EVER think Rico was going to run for 200 yards today against Seattle's defense?

1 minute ago, frankw said:

I've been iffy on Canales for awhile now. I think we need to explore all options for a possible upgrade at HC in the offseason.

All that being said. This is the second head coach we are throwing under a bus when Bryce Young has played absolutely abysmal football and he is heading into his fourth year as a starter. We need a new QB room before we can really know what the potential of this team is. I think guys on the team do legitimately like Bryce Young but when he plays like this and his faults become so glaringly visible it has to take the wind out of everyone's sails and create a domino effect. At the end of the day when the #1 pick and third highest paid player on the roster can play that horrifically why should anyone else care much less risk themselves to injuries.

I like this take, there's certainly a good amount of blame to throw at Bryce, I give you that. But look at when we got that fumble in the first half. We had the ball inside the red zone or close. Canales runs Rico and he gets 8 yards. So 2 and 2 at around the 8 yard line. Then, Canales doesn't even take one shot at the end zone. We run it two straight time into the strength of Seattle's defense. Was a moment in the game to TAKE the momentum. Seems sometimes that situational awareness is lost on Canales. And how much did we even try to stretch the field today? Not counting junk time. Stop being afraid to turn it lose! Yes, Seattle one of the best defenses in the NFL. BUT, how much of the 56 total passing yards were just schemed that way? At least we could know for sure if it's MORE Bryce than coach.