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1 hour ago, Tr3ach said:

I wanted him to run decent routes or get seperation. 

I mean, that's a very coachable trait. If he has the dawg in him like Morgan and the organization says they are trying to find, then that will be a non factor. What did the experts say about Smitty during his draft? Remind me.

5 hours ago, OldhamA said:

It's a fan base that has seen 1 winning season since 2015 and has the worst overall W/L record since 2018.

We traded the farm for a QB in a Draft where there wasn't a generational QB talent. We then chose the physically limited kid, sold on the idea that he was so smart that he'd overcome his physical limitations.

We've then seen him look like the NFL is a level too far for him - whilst the other two QBs we were linked to have shown potential.

So yeah, it's that kind of fan base. They've run out of patience. 

We've had what you could call 2 decent QB's the entire franchise history. Generational QB's do not grow on trees. You draft, and most of the time it's a crapshoot whether they work out or not. Unfortunately, a lot of times you just get lucky, or not. The two other QB's have only played two games as well, let's see what they look like 10 weeks from now, Young as well... before we label him as a bust. Saying the other two have shown potential is saying nothing. Young has shown potential too... it's all subjective.

52 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Good analysis.

My biggest read off of that final drive is the improvement from last week. Against the Falcons, Young didn't look comfortable running an up tempo offense at all. This week, he handled it quite well.

(and no, I don't give a sh-t if it was against prevent)

Prevent defense is only prevent to the red zone. Then the field is small and you have to earn your money. Panthers were still very much in it at that point. I think there was like four and a half minutes left but the defense could not sustain. He looked the part on that drive.

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

We've still got some folks on here who want Newton back or think we need another version of him to be any good.

Reality though? There aren't a whole lot of Cam Newtons out there. Newton was way more unique than a lot of folks give him credit for.

The guy who people thought was this year's version of him has already been hurt in each of his first two games, with the second injury being a concussion.

What's also still true is that passing rules the NFL, not running. If your quarterback can't read a defense and be an effective passer, it doesn't matter if he's the greatest runner in the world. You're not going to win a Super Bowl with a guy like that.

If you believe we can, then maybe you should push the idea of trading for Taysom Hill and making him our franchise quarterback instead

And I think that is what Young is doing. I think he IS a very cerebral QB that you can tell is trying to absorb it all and it is a bit overwhelming. OF COURSE it is!  But, I have a feeling that this kid is not sitting on his laurels. I'll guarantee you he is working, watching film, and consuming as much knowledge as he can. Stroud and AR might be doing better for now. But, NFL defenses WILL adjust and find their weaknesses... they watch film too. I would rather Young make mistakes right now because he is processing at the pace he needs, then suddenly, you just see it happen. It kind of happened with Lawrence last year. People need to just chill... all players develop and grow differently. We cannot expect a rookie QB with an all new coaching staff to be an all pro his rookie season, it's just nonsense what is being said. It's not a good look for our fanbase.

3 hours ago, hepcat said:

I’m so f*cking sick of everyone saying “Bryce needs playmakers”

#1, he’s the first overall pick in the draft. He’s supposed to BE the playmaker. Cam Newton was also a #1 overall pick, a player WORTHY of that selection because he was a true playmaker. You take a QB that needs “playmakers” to be successful in the 2nd round.

#2, these skill players aren’t nobodies. Thielen has been an extremely productive WR in the NFL. Chark is productive when healthy and to my knowledge didn’t even have a catch tonight. Miles Sanders has been productive in some very good offenses and has his preferred position coach with him. Hayden Hurst was a first round pick and has been a moderately productive TE in the NFL.

#3, this coaching staff was supposed to be “all star” level and should be getting more out of the offense. Instead it looks worse than Ben McAdoo calling plays with a paper bag on his head. Maybe there are too many cooks in the kitchen to be successful.

Maybe the Panthers are just cursed. Either way if another person says “Bryce Young needs playmakers” you’re just not right. 

Bullcrap!!! I don't see ONE freaking player on that offense that can take a 5 yard slant and turn it into a 75 yard TD. Shenault did it ONE time last year. How old is Theilen now? And he has always just been a 3rd down possession/red zone guy, not a home run hitter. He showed what he is tonight. And like you said, Hayden Hurst has been MODERATE. Chark had 1 season where he looked like he may be THAT guy and since has done nothing. Who else do we have that NFL defenses just fear? NO ONE!! Sanders... potential, but NO CMC, TMJ? lol. We need to give Young time. Time to gel with his receiving corps and time for players to hopefully emerge.

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This. I'd feel differently if I saw the physical tools to make the adjustments that are needed. He just doesn't seem to have the arm required to make the throws.

Really? I've seen plenty of zip in his throws. More than enough to be a great QB in this league. The kid is processing and learning at a level that works for him. He's adjusting to the speed of NFL players, which EVERY rookie QB has problems with. Going from college to the NFL is a difficult transition. He has to learn a way more complicated playbook, learn to gel and bond with new teammates and coaches, has to build chemistry with his skilled offensive players (in which we're not seeing ANY that want that next level), has to learn to adjust at the line of scrimmage (understanding NFL defensive schemes) in a way you do not in college, and so much more...

Damn, you all act like this stuff should be easy. Every part of our team right now is brand new and for EVERYONE on the team. How about we give it a season (you know, the way people did when we didn't live in an instant gratification world, full of ADD people and keyboard expert analysts) before we completely write this kid off as a bust. Jeez.. SERIOUS, we're two freaking games in.

I bet you that this kid gets better as the season progresses. And, by the end of the season everyone will be singing a different tune. If not, I'll say I'm wrong and we'll see what next season brings. Trevor Lawrence looked like trash for a while... he looks pretty good now. How is that possible? Don't you think we should be rooting for this guy instead of writing him off after two weeks in an NFL uniform? What kind of fan base is this? Did everyone think this would be a playoff year? SMH!

49 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I do think he could still turn it around, so I'm hoping he can start hitting the deep balls. I'd rather lose because he threw a couple INTs but also connected deep than have a day like today where the game just drags out and he plays so cautiously...

The coaching staff is playing too carefully. They need to open the playbook and see what the kid can do. It seems like they are giving him training wheels and trying to develop him too conservatively a little at a time.

1 hour ago, USDepartmentOfSavagery said:

Where them huddle boomers at. Get in here and tell us how it’s a rebuilding year while other rookies out here scoring multiple touchdowns w/ worse rosters. Let’s hear it. 

Yeah, we'll see how that pans out over 17. lol

18 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

I am glad we didn’t take AR. Two games, two injuries. Second one worse than the first. 
He isn’t the second coming of Cam and unless they find a better balance of his designed runs his career will be short lived. 

Because Cam was in a league of his own. AR nowhere near what Cam was.

55 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Lol, you got Burrow and that's it.  The rest struggled.  Rookie QBs need to sit, period.  The higher the draft pick the fewer game they sit, but throwing their arse to the wolves is, and always has been, a bad idea.  That is unless you are FULLY prepared to take on a losing...sometimes UGLY losing season. In today's NFL, HCs have about two years to turn it around.  That being said you can hope the rookie is forged by fire after a brutal rookie campaign OR start a veteran an ease the rookie in if the things aren't going swimmingly after the first several games.

 

Yeah, before Carolina got a team I was a Cowboys fan. Look at Dallas in the 90's when they built their dynasty. Troy Aikman started his first season and they went 1-15 I think.

Aikman played his first NFL preseason game on August 26, 1989 against the Denver Broncos. His NFL debut started with a 28–0 loss to the New Orleans Saints. The following week, Aikman threw his first touchdown pass, a 65-yard completion to Michael Irvin, but the Atlanta Falcons intercepted two passes and won. In a game against the Phoenix Cardinals, he threw for 379 yards to set an NFL rookie record. Aikman finished 1989 with a 0–11 record as a starter, completing 155 of 293 passes for 1,749 yards, 9 touchdowns, and 18 interceptions.

Pretty rough first year as a rookie, right? But, we know what happened each year after. I know we live in a world of instant gratification, but sometimes we need to be realistic. So, everyone just take a collective sigh and lets see how the season plays out. Hopefully we will start seeing optimistic improvements as the season progresses.

2 minutes ago, Pantha-kun said:

The final score of the first two games arent really indicative of how well the defense did because they were on the field the whole game. 

They actually managed to keep these games close until very late in both games. I 100 percent blame the offense. Bryce, receivers, and the playcalling. Mostly Bryce. 

If Andy Dalton starts this game I think its a win. 

No it's not, not even close. Who does he throw to? What receiver on this team has ANY talent?

Wow... no pride on the defensive side. And Burns wants Watt money. That's freaking hilarious! 

Yep... offense can't do crap. Finally defense loses intensity and all crumbles. Oh the growing pains!!

1 minute ago, KillerKat said:

little bitch finally ran

Little bitch? Jeez dude... when did you last win a heisman and play in the NFL?

God we need receivers. Bryce put one right on the money but no help

5 minutes ago, DrowsyJungle said:

Y'all act like this dude (Bryce) has played in the nfl for 5 years. Behind the line and outside help we have you need a reality check. And I picked Stroud for our QB. Relax.

Would also help if we had play making WR's. Someone needs to stand out. Panthers need a new Smitty!! Point blank!

10 minutes ago, CRA said:

Theieln isn’t getting open.   Hasn’t been since he arrived.  Those were screen passes.  

#79 getting walked all over tonight

1 minute ago, CRA said:

Theieln isn’t getting open.   Hasn’t been since he arrived.  Those were screen passes.  

Nonetheless he's the best route runner on the team. Who's better?

4 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

He's the only receiver that knows how to run routes and get separation. Or receiving core has ZERO dogs!

Done the tackler

Just shut the run game down and force our rookie QB to beat you with his arm... easy recipe to beat the Panthers.

2 hours ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

Not much else to say.

One of the worst performances not just in our franchise history, but one of the worst games I've seen from any NFL team ever. Defense looked alright at times, but even they had the benefit of playing maybe the worst QB in the league.

Jaycee Horn is already hurt again, and our only other really promising player is the one who our current GM is playing hardball with.

There are some okay players on this team but there is no one I'd categorize as elite. No one in the tier of Cam, Luke, Olsen, Davis type of players that we have had in the past. Even the players we have that are good the Ws/Ls don't seem to matter too much to them. None of these guys appear bothered to try.

Bryce was awful but in his defense I don't think we have a receiver capable of getting open down the field right now.

We are a team of softies. Underachievers! Show me someone that wants to stand out! It does not appear to be on this team and it's been their issue since 2015.

3 minutes ago, CarolinaRideorDie said:

Our team is still talent deficient. Our WRs are definitely a problem, people running wrong routes or not being on the same page as Bryce is unacceptable. We have the QB position down, now we need to build around him and get some real talent! 

 

Yeah, I'm not giving up on Young. I did see a few good things from him today. The biggest issue is PLAYMAKERS at WR. We have not had a true playmaker since Smitty. Guys need to start emerging. I'm hoping Mingo becomes that dog! That's what Bryce, this team needs.

7 minutes ago, UNCrules2187 said:

For an “all star” coaching staff, this is some sloppy fuging play

Yep, Reich out coached. The Pitts catch confirmed it!

There are legit arguments to both sides of this, but also other variables we are missing here. What kind of leadership and presence does Burns bring to the locker room? Is he respected, team Captain material?  Does he make players around him better? I think we know the answer to that. 

Burns works very hard, is a true professional and student of the game. He also tends to STAY on the field (don't want to jinx, so I just say that). I don't see this guy being selfish and slacking after he gets paid in that kind of way. His stats have gotten better every season. He is growing the way you hope a player grows. Remember, Burns was a bit undersized when he entered the league, and the expectations were that he grows into the game... well he is meeting that expectation and then some.  I see Brian Burns as a guy that aspires to be (at the end of his career) one of the best DE's in the game and in Panthers history. The rest of how he is measured will speak for itself.

None of us have a crystal ball, we just have to judge a person by the content of his character, and YES, by his performance. I do not see a downside to paying this guy. Does not mean he has to get TJ Watt money, just find a middle ground... no reason a reasonable deal cannot be made here.