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7 hours ago, CanadianCat said:

First off.. man its awesome to have such an in depth review. Also knowing he love's the Panthers makes this a fun listen. 

That said, until we prove it, we deserve this ranking. Bryce Young could be either a top 10 or a bottom 5 QB. Im banking on the former but we need to see it. 

We need a lot of things to go right to make us a competitive team but I think we have those pieces in place... but other teams have also improved...

I cannot wait for the season. I want BY to COOK!!

I just think the guy erred a little too hard on the not wanting to look like he was favoring a team he likes. Panthers had the 25th best record last year so they already proved better than 28th, albeit only slightly. And this guy loved our draft, had Tmac as one of only 4 blue chip prospects in the draft, and said in this video that we improved or stayed neutral at every single position group, so I just don’t get the ranking. It really doesn’t matter, it’s just confusing. That said, I do enjoy the depth in the video and having 2hrs of in depth panthers content to look at in the offseason. I wish our local media was better.

Let’s be real, there’s no way the Bengals can trade him for less than first round value from an optics stand point.

They probably saw dudes dad saying they idolize Thanos after he got drafted and were like nahhh idk about all this genocide stuff.

1 hour ago, mav1234 said:

Tbh I don't know how the other bottom feeders upgraded their rosters to say for sure but 28 feels low, unless you think that stretch end of season was smoke and mirrors.

We do need some young guys to step up, but we also just need some injuries to return to form (pretty expected) and FA acquisitions to play to their level last year (pretty reasonable) and at least on D we will be massively improved...

Just thinking about the teams that drafted ahead of us…the Raiders improved a lot by adding Geno Smith and Ashton Jeanty, it’s probably reasonable to expect a big jump from them so I can see that one. But I think he also has the Giants ranked ahead of us? That one doesn’t make much sense to me. I don’t feel like the Jags got a lot better either but seems like every year with Trevor Lawrence they get projected as a playoff team preseason and it doesn’t come to fruition. The Patriots? Don’t get that one and he even has us as an underdog to them I think in week 4. That’s crazy to me. And then there’s teams that finished with better records but downward trajectories like the Colts, Cards, Dolphins. I’m ready to pull this guy’s fan card lol.

6 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I'd rather hear this rumor than some of the crazy ones I've seen over the past month or so. 

I like the idea of Simmons just because he has history with Evero.  Less of a learning curve.

AND we could use another veteran safety. 

But wasn’t that the same thing with Fuller? And he was terrible. I feel like we have brought in a lot of guys because of Evero’s familiarity with them and it hasn’t helped at all. Idk why Evero gets such a pass. The Saints scored on every.single.drive week 1 when we were still healthy and had Brown. The Broncos defense got better after he left. When will he stop getting a pass for “not having players” and start getting hammered for not developing players or getting the best out of the players he has?

1 hour ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

Where's that dude who used to show up in all these threads saying that Greg Hardy is only (x) years old and there are other guys who did bad stuff and they're still allowed to play.

Dude is fuging cooked.  I could only imagine what a scan of his brain would turn up.  It's been said that he was always a little off, but that Burfict hit did him in as a functional person.

To be fair, that commissioners exempt list thing was complete bullshit and seemed to especially screw the Panthers more than anybody else. We had to pay Hardy on the franchise tags for a year to not play. It was completely ridiculous.

8 hours ago, Gipetto said:

Lol tell me that isn’t Jameis Winston’s face.

Well…at least it’s not attempted murder:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45503522/ex-wr-antonio-brown-sought-attempted-murder-charge-report-says

For the streets typa. Hope XL ain’t getting too mixed up in that.

1 hour ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

You say this but don’t acknowledge the reality that Florida beat us with a similar style.  Except their power play is basically trying to get garbage goals.

You have given up on Rod and that’s fine.  But where are the teams that are doing so much better?  Oh yeah there’s only 2 of them right now and they’re in the finals.

Yeah I get some of the frustration with the conference finals record, however there’s also not many coaches consistently getting to the conference finals. If you want to fire Rod you better be able to get a clear upgrade as a replacement and there are so few of those in the world and of those who is available? I think the bigger problem is the back to back mid season trades without having a solid plan in place for retaining those players.

32 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

Dean Smith frequently benched players when he thought their egos were taking over the game.

And all of the stars you mentioned showed out much better in the NBA  than their college careers might have indicated 

And John Wooden.

Oh no he benched 18 yr olds sometimes. Not sure what more you would want those stars to do in college, Worthy, Jordan, Jamison all won NPOY. 2 won nattys. And again it was a completely different era than now. Dean Smith was seen as a very progressive and empowering coach for his players at the time. Stars and big time recruits wanted to play for him and benefited from playing for him. Can you be more clear or admit that you were wrong because comparing Dean to Rod just makes no sense with the reasons you’ve given and you just come off as a dook or state fan that wanted to take a shot at Dean Smith for seemingly no reason.

And what does And John Wooden mean? He was already a well established coach and starting his run when Dean Smith was just getting started coaching. But hey if your criteria is that a coach is either Wooden and anything less than 10 titles is the same as Rod then you do you.

3 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

RBA is the Dean Smith of hockey.

A lot of wins, a lot of trips to the post season, but little to show for it at the end of the day relative to the W-L record. And, not unlike Dean Smith, RBA won't have a superstar on this team. The closest he got was Necas, then Rantanen, and neither wanted to be here. Dean Smith preached the team approach, and even Michael Jordan averaged almost 18 ppg in Smith's system.

Mitch Marner is not the answer. Ehlers or Brock Boeser might be the better fit. And find a replacement for Orlov who has some offense (Provorov, Gavrikov, Ryan Lindgren or even Aaron Eckblad). 

Huh? Not sure if this is Dean Smith slander or not. MJ loved playing for Dean and won NPOY. And Dean had plenty of stars before him and after him. James Worthy, Vince Carter, Antawn Jamison, etc. Dean won 2 nattys. The college game was different then, Dean had more star power and national championships than basically any of his peers.

Sounded like Morgan wanted to have a hype phone call moment to end the draft and nobody, including Horn, was nearly as interested in making it happen.

3 hours ago, frankw said:

It's actually interesting you mention Richardson because I've seen it suggested here Bryce will have 500 or more rushing yards and 5-10 rushing touchdowns this year. And if big Anthony Richardson can get hurt carrying the rock what's that tell you about the practicality of thinking Bryce won't?

Bryce Young is far less risky with his body when he runs than Richardson and doesn’t take many unnecessary big hits. Was much more worried about injury when he had that abysmal OL his rookie season than I ever would be when he runs/scrambles. 500/10 seems like a fairly reasonable prediction considering he had 250/6 in 12 starts last season. Of course literally anybody CAN get hurt, it’s just that we were assured by many huddlers that it was a sure thing with Bryce Young that he wouldn’t make it to this point in his career without significant injuries.

You guys remember when the narrative on here was that Bryce would be chronically injured in the NFL due to his size and Anthony Richardson would be super durable due to his?

You remember when the narrative was that Bryce was physically incapable of throwing a ball further than 20 yards in the NFL?

You remember “I’ll stop complaining when he throws for more than 200 yards and looks like an NFL quarterback”?

You remember when 60 sacks was his fault and not the offensive line, slow WRs, and terrible scheme?

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

It will always be something for some people. Whatever insanity they come up with will be quickly dropped to move on to the next thing. Bryce could have an MVP Super Bowl winning season and they would complain that we can’t run the tush push with him. It will always be something.

Honestly pretty weird and low class to troll the city you were playing a tournament in. Anybody acting like this is normal I have to assume self flagellates often.

7 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

And only the fans who can't see anything other than black or white think like this.

Did I one time mention tanking or trying to lose on purpose?  

No, I explicitly said the opposite, that we show great growth and just lose some close games.  I'm not asking them to lose or even try to lose, nothing of the sort.  

Do you want to feel good about some wins or playoff appearances or do you want to win a Super Bowl?

Because while I'm sick of losing and not making the playoffs, I'm more sick of never having won a SB and I don't care about  anything other than that right now.  

For me, as a fan, I'm going to root for them every week, but I can objectively step back and know we're not contending this year, if we make the playoffs it's squeaking in and then losing the first game.  So I'm able to objectively look at it and know it's in our best interests to be better this year, win a few more games, but still just miss out on the playoffs and hope we finish in 3rd place because the Bucs and Falcons made the playoffs.

If you can't OBJECTIVELY see how that sets us up to have a better 2026 season when we actually might be good enough to contend, then that's a you problem, sorry.

Bet those Eli Manning led Giants teams aren’t sad they barely squeaked into the playoffs.

It’s more than a little pre mature to declare this team has no shot. 

2 hours ago, TD alt said:

6'4 and 220 is a decent size. I guess some of you want a fatty. All he has to do to get stronger is get in the weight room. 

9 hours ago, jfra78 said:

 

 

 

I enjoyed this much more than the schedule release video with the players. Hope they do this every year.

If he doesn’t say it’s about money first and foremost then it doesn’t really matter what else he says. The international games are not good for the players or teams or overall product as far as quality of game. Same for Thursday night games. And they clearly start the scheduling process by looking at which games/teams/storylines they can make the most money on, then the rest of the schedule just gets shoehorned in from there.

On 5/14/2025 at 5:06 PM, WhoKnows said:

It can happen but it’s nothing like the NBA. One player doesn’t make the difference in the NFL that one player can in the NBA. Also, there are just not the same amount of trades and even opportunities. Because the NFL isn’t just one stud away, you don’t get a lot of opportunities like Miami did with Tua or the Jets did with Zach Wilson. Both teams got multiple 1sts for players they traded (Jets had 5 1sts in 2021-2022 and Miami had 5 1sts in 2020-2021) and both got top 5 picks to select a QB. They both made some good and bad picks but Miami turned Tua into multiple playoff appearances even though Tua isn’t elite. Wilson was just so bad that the Jets still sucked. We had our opportunity in 2022 where we would have had 6 1sts and 4 2nds in 2023-2025 and probably had a top 5 pick in 2023 or 2024 for a QB without trading up. Unfortunately, Fitterer didn’t have the foresight to realize a full rebuild was necessary and when a team offers you 2 1sts and a 2nd for a non-QB like Tunsil and Burns, you take it.

One thing I wish trades had in the NFL that they have in the NBA is protected picks. A moron like Fitterer could have a top 5 protected pick so his terrible GMing doesn’t accidentally give the Bears the #1 overall pick because the moron Fitterer incorrectly thought we were 1 player away from the playoffs.

Yeah not taking that Burns trade was infinitely stupid. We seem to be finally righting the ship but, imo, our biggest issue since Tepper bought the team has been coaches and management having a poor understanding of where our own roster is at. Starting with that idiot Rhule drinking his own kool-aid and thinking he was going to come and take the NFL by storm with Teddy freaking Bridgewater. Could have just kept Cam on the last year of his contract and gone from there but noooo that fat slob had to feel like he was the big man on campus. First round wizard Marty Hurney who, for whatever his faults, has a freaking HOF track record with first round picks, wants to trade up for Hebert but fat fug Rhule says no. Then we kept Rhule for 3 years which is absolutely unbelievable to me and every single year he treated our roster like it was just one player away trading our draft picks for Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield who have proven since leaving that Matt Rhule was an even bigger idiot of a coach than we thought. We finally seem to understand we are a ways off and trade CMC, but then we don’t take the actual good trade for Brian Burns who was never better than a run of the mill situational pass rusher. Then we botch the self scout of our OL (and team) after Wilks, even though they were bad before Wilks simplified the scheme, thinking they can execute whatever the hell Reich and Brown were trying to do. So we win a couple meaningless games playing dummy ball and Fitterer thinks we’re a player away again. And nobody even considers that having the slowest receiving corps imaginable with Damiere freaking Byrd, who can’t even make it to the season before being injured and cut, as your only hope for speed, coupled with the worst pass blocking OL I’ve ever seen, might lead to titanic levels of disaster.

The way Canales and Morgan have been adamant about constantly bringing competition at every position has been refreshing and made a huge difference. I was kind of worried that we had fallen into our old ways leading up to the draft with all the talk of defense only and worried that they might feel the offense was set. Very glad to see they were not complacent on that. My big thing now is I’m still wondering why Evero is still here. I can’t think of a single player who has gotten better under him, and the Broncos defense got better once he left. We’ll see.

Hoping the team is playing well enough to be on the national radar before that. I feel like either that game or the following game (hoping not both) is basically a schedule loss. Playing a Monday night game in Cali then having to play in Charlotte on Sunday seems rough. We’ll get like 2 days of practice/install.

29 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

and like bryce he sat out the workouts.  You have to question the guys that have reservations about their size that show up at the combine magically weighing more and then not doing poo

 

However I am on record the 40 time is not important, if he can get off the line he should produce, if he struggles with physical corners it may take a minute to get him up to speed

Who is questioning Tmacs size outside of the huddle size kings?

It’s such a bizarre thought that teams would be fooled by some fake or artificial weight at the combine while rando internet detectives on a message board know the real truth.

People have called the combine useless for years. Players have been skipping it for years. Basically the whole top 10 skipped it this year. But the moment the Panthers drafted Bryce Young it became uber important to some of you.