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8 hours ago, Htarnation4.0 said:

They busy and have a ton of future draft capital.

Yeah it’s just too bad there’s not another Hornets franchise out there for us to trade all these second round picks to for a lotto pick.

3 hours ago, PanthersNCSU said:

I can't see a world where the money goes down, but maybe your lottery odds are now your contract numbers you can offer. 

Thunder? You can offer Flagg 4 years, 20 million. 

Hornets? You can offer Flagg 4 years, 80 million. 

Some form of a system where the money is still there, but so is the freedom of choice (on top of bad teams getting *some* competitive advantage to signing them). 

That would be interesting but I would definitely want them to go to a hard cap if they went that route. And if they ever got rid of the draft completely, boy if you think the Hornets are fugged now…

4 hours ago, Joe Bear said:

You mean the guy who hasn't shown up to Utah yet and whose camp has had "minimal contact" with the team since draft night? That's immediately buying in?

Well everybody and their momma thought he sounded bought in when he was interviewed post-draft, which was when I posted. All that other stuff you mentioned just came out and I made that post a day and a half ago the morning after he was drafted when he sounded pretty bought in. The Jazz say there’s no problems atp, so we’ll see. But yeah obviously if his actions don’t match up with his words it will be a shitty look.

3 hours ago, Montie_0123 said:

Facts people need to slow down and let’s see how this plays out. Because we don’t know how they are going to be when the season starts.Luka is not the most athletic but knows how to pick his spots and get his shot off.

As unathletic as he is compared to other NBA players, Luka is still a superior athlete to Knueppel and has way better length for his size and still struggles defensively. We’ve also seen fat James Harden put up video game numbers offensively but couldn’t play defense. I’m sure Knueppel will at least try harder on D than those 2, so there is that at least. 

3 hours ago, frankw said:

This thread is very reminiscent of Scoot Henderson vs Brandon Miller.

As one of the biggest Miller over Scoot stans at that time, this is clearly different because everything is all about me and what I want.

But in all seriousness, I think most of the argument against Miller at that time was about off the court stuff but on the court he was clearly the better player. So if I had to compare, I would say this feels more like if we had drafted not Scoot instead of Miller, but a player ranked more around 6th on big boards instead of either. Bailey was pretty much universally a top 3 player in this draft and Knueppel was not.

1 hour ago, PanthersNCSU said:

Well, he was in probably every NBA franchise's top 6 or 7. Obviously it's nice to take the swing and it work out. But when a guy refuses to work out for your team, is probably the guy refusing to play with LaMelo, has sketchy handlers, etc.? You want...to take that swing? A desperate team does, sure. Which the Hornets are. But a smart team doesn't. Which is what they will hopefully become. 

Kon isn't a superstar, but his floor is Kyle Korver. Is that what you want in the 4th pick? Not really, but he's your 4th guy on a good team and what I think Charles Lee wants in a player. 

Trade down would've been nice, but for who? Tre Johnson would've been my guy, but he's gone if we trade with Brooklyn. If Washington wanted Ace, I doubt it would've taken much to come get him. Trade down and get Maluach (knowing you're trading Mark) would make sense and may have been the play, but I think Kon helps the team on the court and changing a culture. Not so sure about some of the guys in the 8-12 range. 

Culture change comes from the top down, not from drafting a 3 and no D guard. I doubt Lamelo is gonna take his cues from this 20yr old kid lol. If Brandon Miller couldn’t change the culture with how good he is and how much he hustles on both ends, Kon Knueppel sure as hell ain’t changing it. Ace Bailey by all accounts is also a great teammate and hard worker, btw, who was drafted by a team he supposedly didn’t want to go to yet he immediately bought in. And he’s got actual length and tools on both ends of the floor. I feel this pick is going to age like milk rather quickly.

10 minutes ago, Shocker said:

They have 2 picks coming up soon

And one of the bigs went off the board immediately after. Wouldn’t be surprised to see another big go before we pick again.

How do you not draft a big to try to develop after trading Williams?

You know the Mark Williams trade would make a lot more sense if we had someone like, say, Jalen Duren on the roster as well. When it’s all said and done we’ll have traded Mark Williams and Jalen Duren for Nick Smith Jr. and 6 d league players. Somebody needs to tell the Hornets that collecting a bunch of d league players won’t cause them to Voltron into lottery picks.

We’ve got a sign around our necks “will trade lottery picks for all your most worthless picks”

4 minutes ago, Shocker said:

More…

 

Per ESPN's Shams Charania, the Charlotte Hornets traded Williams to the Phoenix Suns for the No. 29 pick in Wednesday's draft and a 2029 first-rounder. Charania added that the 2029 first-round pick will be the least favorable of Cleveland, Utah, and Minnesota's picks and will be top-five protected. 

Basically gave him away lol

 

I think he is due an extension and no way we where paying him 

 

You can’t convince me this franchise doesn’t exist just to be a feeder for the rest of the league. They just bend over and take it at every turn.

This franchise is so dumb but not entirely unexpected. The other team Bailey’s camp said he didn’t want had the balls to draft him and we didn’t. Name a franchise more obsessed with drafting second fiddle dook players.

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

His camp is claiming he doesn't want to play for the Hornets or Jazz.  Let's be real, if he is trying to avoid any team (which it looks like he is) we are most likely one of them...  Again if he comes here and is all in them I'm of course good with it.   We are just much to fragile to handle any drama at this point in our franchise.

I hadn’t seen that they singled out the Hornets and Jazz…that sucks. Still they should draft him, I don’t think teams in general should bend to players trying to dictate who drafts them.

2 hours ago, scratched said:

 

You comparing this guy to Singler and Scheyer is all I need to know about your opinion. He is the best fit for our team right now, I don't think that can be argued. Should we pick him at #4? That can be argued, as I think we could trade back a few picks to get him. With that being said, I think we trade back in the 6-8 range and pick Kon. 

Their defensive weaknesses in their draft profiles read like carbon copies, lack of athleticism to match with superior nba athletes, lateral agility, etc. Like I said, there’s no shortage of defensive liability mid athletes who can catch and shoot 3s. He’s projected high because he’s a tall guard who shot a high % and he defended well in college, but he doesn’t even have good length for his height and every single draft profile has questions about his ability to defend at the next level. If he stayed in school another year and dipped to even 38% from 3 he’d be a late first maybe second. He’s getting hype off small sample size where his weaknesses weren’t sufficiently exposed and an efficiency rate that is all but guaranteed to come down. Singler was a projected lotto pick after 1 year, too, he just stayed in school long enough for everybody to see how low his ceiling was.

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

I guess to make it more clear, Bailey doesn’t want to play for Charlotte. He declined a pre draft visit and has a list of teams he wants to play for. Just not ideal for a young team that lacks winning culture right now. I’d prefer to trade with another team if it’s there and the compensation is right. Trying to force a young man to take millions of dollars to play for us seems like a bad idea. 

He hasn’t worked out for anybody and only scheduled one work out, which he cancelled (76ers). I’ve heard he doesn’t want to play for certain teams, but I’ve never seen any proof that the Hornets are specifically one of them, just speculation and guesswork. Either way, the Hornets don’t get a pass for trading Kobe just because Kobe wanted to go to a bigger market, and if Ace Bailey turns out to be great they won’t get a pass for passing up on him either, so they should draft him either way.

40 minutes ago, frankw said:

Draft day is upon us....

Which bust we drafting tonight boys?

Fingers crossed for Ace Bailey. Him not doing any workouts could be a huge blessing in disguise for us if he falls out of the top 3. Hope the team doesn’t mess it up.

1 hour ago, scratched said:

No more reaching for draft picks. Our pick should be Kon, no questions asked. The guy fills our most important need, and that's shooting. No reason to get fancy and do something stupid. Just pick the best spot up shooter in the draft

Pray to god we don’t take the next Jon Scheyer/Kyle Singler/etc. with the #4 overall pick. The league has plenty of mid-athlete 3pt shooters that can’t defend superior athletes, we don’t need to waste a top 5 draft pick on one. 

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Feel free to listen and dispute what they say

Everything on all sides has been said a thousand times over and engaging with you about it in the past was more pointless than shouting into the wind. I’m good.

I haven’t listened, but based on who is posting this you just know it’s gonna be scratching his anti-Bryce itch. Can’t wait for the season.

On 6/21/2025 at 5:50 PM, Shocker said:

I have been watching these guys for a while now and I like Kon, VJ and also Tre for that matter.  But I put on Ace Bailey it’s a different level.  That dude can easily be the best player out of this draft.  His upside is ridiculous.  His shot making at that size is nuts.  Put him at the 2 or 3 and he will have growing pains but whatever.  I think he can be great and it won’t take long.

ESPN latest mock has Hornets passing up on Ace Bailey to take Kon, and we’d be just dumb enough to do that.

One fumble all year but boy was it a big one.

3 hours ago, CarolinaLivin said:

At least we don’t have anthony richardson.
 

TRENDING: #Colts quarterback Anthony Richardson spends his time off the field as a RAPPER and goes by the name of GVO.

Richardson released a song called “Villain.”

Richardson: “I be throwing like Drew Brees..”

 https://x.com/_mlfootball/status/1935858049266184539?s=46

 

 

That is so bad. Even worse, it’s bad and unoriginal. If you need to auto tune a basic ass flow like that then just stop.

Also, I haven’t seen much national media hype for this team so wherever you are seeing all this cause for concern please post links so I can inject all the hopium straight into my brain.

I don’t really believe that what we talk about in the off-season has much to do with what the team does this coming season, but if you did wouldn’t it make more sense to be as hyped as possible? Like if fans were super hyped and excited and felt the team was a real contender to the point of selling out our home games and painting BOA in Panthers blue wouldn’t that help the team, not hurt it? I don’t get the kill the vibe approach and never have.

On 6/7/2025 at 3:03 PM, Anybodyhome said:

Stop taking it as some personal affront. I don't care about UNC, Duke or State. I'm simply stating that Dean Smith did not tolerate nor want a "superstar" on his team. He believed in team play and that nobody is above the team. 

The Canes will not attract a 100-point scorer because RBA doesn't short shift lines to keep Aho on the ice, like we've seen the Oilers do with Draisaitl and McJesus- both with around 30 minutes in regulation time. It's one reason Aho may never see a 100-point season, because he won't get the ice-time to do it. 

 

 

That’s really not what you said and when I even expressed doubt as to your intentions with the post you doubled down and remained unclear on whether you were trying to drag Dean Smith for whatever reason. You just got the facts wrong, which if you don’t follow the local college programs like you say then maybe you just were mistaken and thought Smith didn’t win championships or have legit superstars, and that is ok, but you just doubled down when my first post was more corrective than anything. I’m not sure what you expect posting objectively false things like “RBA has a lot of wins with nothing to show for it like Dean Smith” (paraphrasing) on a message board with plenty of UNC fans. I’m not taking it as a personal affront, we can agree to disagree, Dean Smith’s legacy fortunately will not be affected by this conversation.

Screw the (Florida) Panthers?

Eh, they’re just trying to generate enthusiasm to sell tickets. I think it might be their job or something.