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The Hornets need to draft better and develop better, there is no doubt about that, but saying the solution is to simply crystal ball who will be the best players each draft and then also have those players be available at wherever you’re picking is beyond silly.

SGA and Giannis were drafted in the teens. Jokic was a second rounder. If it was as simple as the teams that drafted them knew they would be superstars and we didn’t, then the teams that drafted them would have traded up as high as they could to get those players and not wait until the teens or second round. If it’s as simple as the teams that drafted them are just god tier developers, then why do they fail developing other players just like everybody else?

Golden State are known as great drafters and developers, yet they took Wiseman at 2 over Lamelo and that was clearly the wrong decision. The Hornets would have probably taken Wiseman at 2 as well. There were 11 players taken before Haliburton that draft, he wasn’t even in play with the 3rd pick. The Thunder would have probably taken Oden at 1 if they had 1, instead of Durant at 2.

There’s an element of luck to all this that the Hornets clearly lack, and to have the lotto rigged on top of it all is just a slap in the face. Do you really think Durant would have busted on the Hornets? Or Anthony Davis or Wemby? I don’t, but unfortunately we’ll never know because the league doesn’t let those players get drafted here.

Honestly, the Hornets have done pretty decent the past few drafts. Whatever problems they have had with injury and otherwise, Lamelo, Williams, Miller, and Bridges have all shown when on the court to be worthy of their draft position. The biggest and dumbest thing they’ve done recently (and it is like Mount Rushmore of stupid moves) was when they traded Jalen Duren for a bunch of second round picks because they thought the roster was too full of talent. Like what the actual fug. I’ll never get over that one.

Finally had time to watch the full video, and while I didn’t put the video I slow mo every time he had his shirt off to deeply analyze his lean muscle mass like some of you, I did have one big takeaway: if he can memorize that many handshakes, he should have no problem with the playbook. Let’s go!

He’s a WR, not a linebacker. Chill.

10 minutes ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

Nov 24 is a Monday night game. Not Sunday

Didn’t pick up on that. What a jobbing they gave us with that one.

Playing the late game across the country week 12 and not getting the bye after is dirty work.

Tanking in the NFL isn’t really a thing and anybody wanting to bring the rigged lottery to the NFL has an ulterior motive.

15 hours ago, Dave Gettleman's Shorts said:

Mavs had a 1.8% odds of winning the number 1 overall pick btw

In 2008, the Bulls had a 1.7% chance of winning the top pick which ended up being Chicago native, D-rose

2 teams with sub 2% odds winning it within a span of less than 20 years. Quite unbelievable. 

10 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

Ehhhh you do know the Hornets drafted Shai and traded him to OKC right?

Yes and I said they clearly draft better than us in the exact post you quoted. And yet with all their success drafting no chip and the best player they ever had left them. Again, it’s hard enough without the lottery also being rigged. 

Unless we luck into a Steph Curry at pick 4 it literally doesn’t matter. Williams, Ball, and Miller will play like 5 games together and we’ll watch inefficient offense and half-ass defense all year until we shut everybody down again just to hope for another shot at the rigged lottery.

1 hour ago, djp14 said:

Thing is, we can't even blame it on being a small market. OKC is a smaller market than Charlotte, and they're competing. Just need solid ownership and a good front office. We've never had good ownership, and our last good GM was Bob Bass.

That’s kind of the point though. OKC was lucky enough to get the #2 pick for KD instead of the #1 pick for Oden and they did a fantastic job building around him. And what happens? He leaves to ring chase in larger markets and they have nothing to show for it. They are definitely a better drafting team than the Hornets, but it still comes down to the only shot we have is lucking into a generational player in the draft and winning before they leave, and that chance is diminished by the rigged lottery system.

25 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

You mean a legal information request?

If you are implying that the university was obligated to respond to him within a certain timeframe, I’d be curious what you are basing that on other than Torre whining and throwing FOIA around to make himself look important. That’s not even getting into whether the information, or lack thereof, even falls under FOIA. If you mean it was legal for him to make a request, sure why wouldn’t it be.

Oh look, it’s that reporter who is butthurt over the university not responding to his information requests. Looks like he’s still butthurt.

I’d love for the league to go down but I doubt it will. Fans of bigger market teams don’t have the same experience as we do. If we all stop supporting the league, and by proxy the Hornets, all that happens is the Hornets get moved…again. I get so disgusted hearing the media talk about non flagship teams anytime they get lucky enough to land a star. The star basically always leaves and it is always framed as the team’s fault for not building around the star when it’s the players who run the league and decide which city to play grab ass in. Milwaukee drafted and developed Giannis and won a championship and have bent over backwards doing everything Giannis wants to make him happy from coaches to players, and all I hear is how Giannis deserves a better franchise. That’s right, get fuged Milwaukee and your fans. And of course that better franchise is going to be someplace the NBA has basically seeded with draft picks.

I was thinking they would give #1 to the Spurs but now I see the brilliance. Dallas gets the #1 for keeping the Lakers relevant, and they still get to build around Wemby by giving the Spurs extra ammo to trade for Giannis.

Just now, Daddy_Uncle said:

Fick the lottery

It’s the dumbest system in North American major sports. It doesn’t stop tanking, it just gives the league the ability to put players where they want them while punishing actually bad teams that need the top pick.

Rigged as fug. 

My guess is the NBA will either send Flagg back “home” to the Northeast in Brooklyn or Washington, or San Antonio so that they can keep building around Wemby. If I was a betting man I would take the odds on the Spurs. This definitely feels like a #1 pick that they will rig.

17 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

Yep no axe to grind here, just a brave journalist shaming a 70+yr old man for taking ED medication. Perfectly normal stuff.

20 hours ago, frankw said:

Nobody making millions is truly "hurting". But he's not talking about the highest paid players in the league making upwards of 100-200 million or more. He's talking about rookie second round picks who would be making what 5-10 million at absolute most and have no guarantee of not getting a career ending injury before the end of their rookie contract. I don't think anyone is asking you to shed tears for them because you shouldn't but the perception of siding with Billionaire owners of a league that brought in over $23 billion in revenue last year is going to raise an eyebrow or two just saying.

Raise an eyebrow? Lol. Idgaf about the owner, I’m a fan of the Panthers as a team. Fully guaranteed contracts generally aren’t best for the team, I don’t want the team to pay more than they have to for a player who isn’t contributing proportionate to his pay. Now if it’s something like when Tom Brady took less than market value in total money but got his money fully guaranteed, that is something I can get on board with. There’s a give and take there. I don’t like the team taking all the risk.

I’m guessing this means they get bailed out on that albatross contract now, of course.

And he wants the you know what. I’m sure he’s smart enough to know the deal. 

2 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

No, the casual fan gets sucked into THIS^^^ kind of thinking, and it's so woefully incorrect that it's almost sad.

The first is what I've said numerous times, NOTHING about non guaranteed contracts save the billionaire owners a single penny, because they still have to spend their cap floor, and the only reason teams ever don't spend the full limit, is to then roll it over into the next season to be able to spend more that year.

But in the end, owners pay the same amount of money no matter what.

The reverse is also the same, that the players in totality make the same amount of money as well, because in your example of Clowney not getting that money this year, it will go to another player, as the cap needs to be spent.

And you say how we just cut Clowney after we gave him the 2 year contract, but everyone including Clowney's agent and himself, knew when it was signed, that it was more likely to be a 1 year contract than a 2 with how it was structured.  The 2nd year was just to be able to spread out the cap hit and he was always most likely going to end up getting traded or cut.

It's why agents and players don't care about the total money in a contract, it's always and only been about the guaranteed money, as the years and overall value are meaningless, always have been, always will be.

Something is wrong with the huddle and it won’t let me quote Canadian cat so I’ll just quote this. The way the contracts in the nfl work is actually pretty fair, not to mention that it is a system that has been collectively bargained by the players themselves. Contracts can always be breached in any system/profession. It’s not a matter of whether one side has the ability to and the other doesn’t, it is a matter of what the penalty for breaching is. Teams are penalized for cutting players before their contract is up. It is also the only recourse teams have if a player is not performing up to their contract. Players can also breach their contracts by holding out, sitting out, etc. and choose to accept whatever penalties or forfeiture of pay results. It’s not a unilateral system as some seem to believe. Yes there will always be players that outperform their contracts as well as players that don’t live up to them. Since I’m a fan of the TEAM, I like when the team makes savvy investments and gets performance under market value.

1 hour ago, Stumpy said:

You are wrong, but the taste of boot is preventing you from seeing it.

Such weird thinking honestly. I’m a fan of the team. If it is better for the team that a player can be cut and the money that would have gone to them can make the team better being spent on a different player, that’s what I want. I’m not gonna shed any tears over millionaires losing some money being cut before their contract is up due to performance/injury and I don’t see how that gets you any social brownie points among the proletariat. Aren’t you just licking the millionaire athlete boot? These guys ain’t hurting.

The school has already said this isn’t true. Just part of SECSPN’s continuing smear campaign against Belichik for dating a 24 year old. Not that I approve, and sure they are probably both using each other, but they’re both adults so whatever. Media hack Pablo Torre is defending his rumor spreading by crying that the school did not grace his information requests with a response in a manner timely enough for the ego of an SECSPN reporter, therefore it is ok in his opinion to spread rumor as fact. 

Why do this? What leverage did the rook have to get an unprecedented deal? Just go status quo and stop trying to get an ESPN article written about you at your own and everybody else’s expense.