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Another best season for a Panther by position, and this is kinda weird and let's just call it strong safety, was Jeremy Chinn. It is still baffling to me how he went from so good and instinctive his first season to barely cracking the field now. He's had a couple nagging injuries, but his rookie year I thought we had a perennial all pro. I've never seen a player hit harder, know how to be in the right spot, move more naturally; just a revelation out there. I still think he's going to end up somewhere that knows how to use him and just go off, and I hope he does.

As far as Brown, he's the closest to Jenkins as far as just dominating interior lineman. It's like he's finally figured out he's bigger and stronger than everyone else in the NFL too. He doesn't have Jenkins' mean streak. Jenkins played angry, and he had a lot of emotional issues he was working through. He was similar to Steve Smith in that regard. A lot of people don't realize this, but Jenkins really struggled with Alcohol use during his early years in the league. When he missed two seasons back to back with injuries, he really hit the bottle hard. He lived in that shopping center near South Park (i can't remember the name; had a dean and deluca) and would just throw empty liquor bottles and pizza boxes out of his third floor window and pay someone to pick it up. It's one of the reasons he got hurt right away in 2005 after missing 12 games in 2004; you can't rehab if you're drinking that heavy and you're that big anyway. He was never the same when he came back, in part because he got a lot of the psych help he needed and he lost a little of his edge. Plus, playing only 5 games in 3 years put things into perspective for him. Jenkins is a smart guy. also, when he came back he became disillusioned with the way the team was using (and treating) peppers. For me, Jenkins is second biggest player "what if" in Panthers history. First of course would be trading a first for Joe Thomas in 2015. DAMMIT GETTLEMAN But yeah, Brown has that at times. He's also in better shape than Jenkins. Jenkins was a freak athlete to be fair, but diet as above. Brown is huge and solid; he doesn't jiggle. I agree with the sentiment that if it comes down to him and Burns...bye Brian. Of course there's no reason not to extend them both; the Panthers don't have many players worth resigning.

Best seasons for a defender in Panthers history..... Kevin Greene in 1996 - all pro, complete force, his diving TD after a fumble recovery was the signature play of the young team. would eventually leave Carolina for san francisco for a year because they'd let him wrestle in the WCW. Came back and attacked a coach on the sideline but I'm sure he had some good reasons. Doug Evans 2001 - I'm serious. 8 picks, all in the first half of the season, no idea how he wasn't traded. Kris Jenkins 2002 - Jenkins has undiagnosed sleep apnea until after 2001. Once he got a CPAP he had two of the most dominant seasons for a DT....ever. Jenkins was obviously great in 2003, but in 2002 he just could not be stopped. Remember, Peppers missed 4 games in 2002 with a suspension, and was not what he would become. Julius Peppers 2004 - this was Peppers' best year. Morgan and Jenkins got hurt, Rucker was dealing with injuries, some of their depth guys were hurt...this was Peppers defense and it was his best performance. Once Fields got back in shape and gave him a little bit of support in the front seven, it was over. Panthers second half surge was due to a weak schedule, Contract Year Muhsin Muhammad, and Peppers just going super saiyan. Luke Kuechly - pick a season. He was the best player on the field (sorry cam, steve) the second he came into the league. For the record I hated that pick when they made it. Some hot takes KK Short had some good productive years, but I always felt he was more a product of the system. He was paired next to Star who I always thought was the better player, and he also had Luke and Davis behind him. Remember, in his best seasons teams were scheming to stop the Panthers linebackers. Star filled his role perfectly and Short feasted. If we're talking about best all time seasons just by counting stats, then don't look who shares the single season sack record with Kevin Greene. Of course, 2013 was a stacked front seven. Johnson was (insanely overpaid to be) solid, Star and KK were in their first seasons, and Luke was ascending. Still, Hardy had a role, and if he had kept his head on straight there's no telling what he could have become. Of course, he's a woman beating sociopath who got out of shape during his 1.5 years out of football and just never got anything back. Stupid asshole with his colored contacts. Shout out to Fox playing him as a gunner on the return team his rookie year. Enjoy rabbit punching toe tags in MMA fights in Reno. Hot take here: Josh Norman was not that good in 2015. He had four interceptions in the first four weeks; two off Jameis, one off Bortles, and one that was admittedly amazing against Drew Brees. After that I think teams just sorta bought into the hype about him and decided to mostly stay away from him. Panthers defensive line was actually not that great in 2015, it's just that the safeties and linebackers were playing in a different dimension. Then all of a sudden the offense just went nuclear and the defense could do whatever it wanted. But he got beat at times during the regular season, notably in New Orleans, at Seattle, and obviously against the Giants. He also never came close to replicating that season; he never even made a pro bowl again. Now you can point out he ended up in Washington which fair but still, didn't sniff that kind of productive again. Another mark against him is how simple that system was to pick up. Courtland Finnegan like walked in off the street on a Friday and was starting on Sunday and did fine. So yeah, Norman was a flash in the pan, had like 1 good month ever, got paid way too much and Gettleman was right to let him walk.

Hurney drafted two first round running backs within 2 years of each other.

This is a god awful list

It looked like a long time special teams coach who always had a couple ideas that head coaches would never let him try.

To be clear this doesn’t mean you’re right, it’s just that you’ve made up your mind for no reason and are signaling nothing is going to change that.

I love @Vergebut she called this a “flash of brilliance” and my god no. lol. Lmao

watching this pass in the air like… 1 one thousand 2 one thousand

he didn't look good yesterday either. I think the OP is very right. This is what the Panthers, and Bryce, are. They can score about 10 points a game, 15 if they're lucky. If they hold the other team to below that, and bryce doesn't turn the ball over, they win.

if i had tepper's ear, i'd point out building a team around the running game and defense would take advantage of market inefficiencies since everyone in the league is obsessed with offense. This would give them an advantage on acquiring defensive players and running backs, and would allow them to become competitive more quickly than if they were trying to build an offensive based team from scratch...again.

exactly. dude has seen this org from the inside and wants nothing to do with it to keep him, you'd have to offer full control: name the GM, OC, full staff, and probably team president if we're being serious. There's no other way you'd stick around with a bunch of people to stab you in the back.

A.) so has this team and B.) fug your feelings

the fact that 2001 hasn't been mentioned yet by anyone shows this thread's age panthers were last in offense AND defense that year

No. This team is better than both 2001 and 2010

so did the panthers, right up until they handed in the envelope.

on one hand this was in the garbagest of garbage times on the other, we've seen bryce in garbabe time against prevents, and he somehow manages to run out the clock without scoring points

you mean you don't keep your 1998 nfl mock draft trapper keeper around at all times in case you need to win an argument? I can PROVE i was right about Greg Ellis being good enough to play nose tackle in the nfl

he started 16 games that year what are you talking about also was better in pretty much every counting stat than bryce is this year, with the exception of interceptions. Of course peyton had the disadvantage of being able to keep passes past 20 yards inbounds also played back when defenses could still hit people. Bryce wouldn't make it a month in the late nineties NFL.

musculoskeletal system has nothing to do with neurotransmission.

Look at his shoulders rolling forward and internally rotating when he’s waiting for the snap weightlifting for qbs is different and not everyone at the nfl level does the same thing but this kid has never done a press in his life I can guarantee you that

We have tickets in 126 and the market is so flooded we had to lower prices for DALLAS. Dallas tickets usually pay half the PSL

Imagine us keeping Wilks, cmc and moore, drafting Levis and letting him sit behind dalton for a half a season or so. imagine it.

Like frank reich would have realized this. Say what you want about him he’s had success as a coach and player and knows something when he sees it. Frank was clearly lying about the whole “technique next year” thing. Because he was told to from tepper or it’s just his nature he was protecting Bryce in those press conferences. reich (and the rest of the coaching staff) spent all offseason and the first part of the regular season talking about how smart and advanced and good at reading defenses and understanding the playbook Bryce is. That’s clearly not true, but no one has a problem saying “yeah that was bullshit.”

Love to spend two first round picks on a qb who needs all of his mechanics reworked. bryce has grown up in high end, invitation only qb camps and prep schools and has always had access to the best coaches. Top tier prep qbs these days are going to top dollar camps run by NFL qbs. Peyton Manning runs a camp every year that’s invitation only, and it just churns out nfl players. Haven’t you wondered why it looks like all these guys on different teams know each other? Obviously Joe burrow played at osu and lsu where like half of the nfl played, but have you not wondered why it seems everyone knows and respects him? Because they’ve been playing with each other since sixth grade Bryce’s mechanics are heavily coached to overcome his physical limitations. He’s on his toes because he can’t see. He keeps his hips squared up because he can’t see. He’s bouncy because he wants to get out of the pocket because he can’t see. He’s hesitant to throw because nfl windows are smaller and he’s not accurate enough because of his mechanics. That’s the end of it. talking about fixing Bryce mechanics now is like talking about a car being fine, it just needs an all new drivetrain.