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Keep improving, Canales needs to let Bryce throw over 30 at times a game minimum, let him make mistakes and be aggressive downfield.

2 hours ago, strato said:

Yeah maybe he will miss Moore some.  But Moore poisoned the well with Williams by being so outspoken in his support of Fields. I thought.

As far as Williams what I see is his ceiling is almost unlimited and his floor is too low.  He has a league wide respected offensive mind shaping him and has to find a way to cut out the bonehead. 
To compare him to Bryce, Bryce’s ceiling is nowhere near Williams’ and his floor also needs raising. I won’t try to say how much because I haven’t seen every Williams game for years. 
But Bryce had many games of sub par play last year that if he expects to get an extension he has to fix. And he has to clear the hurdle of teams forcing us to beat them with his arm.  
 

I feel like Williams has what it takes to take over games and I do not feel that way about Bryce.  
 

As far as the teams I believe our defense faces a bigger challenge than theirs will.  Unless we really have that running game going. 

I think you put any QB in that bears offense with those weapons and that HC they would perform as good if not better than Williams did last season. Outside of the spectacular he’s a really flawed QB, they had more 3 and outs than us, they punted more than us meaning they had drives that led to no points. There were games where did nothing for 3 quarters and then Williams pulled a miracle from his ass. He’s very similar to Kyler Murray

8 hours ago, strato said:

If it is a mansion it was built off of selling on Bryce. 
 

My narrative here is that Williams is going g to better in 2026 than he was in 2025 because second year in the system 

Same as why Bryce was  better last year in his second year in the system.

With a proven top offensive coach working with him.  
 

Man he already has made eye popping throws that Bryce can only dream of ever making.  The guy has a ton of talent why wouldn’t he be better with another year…
 

Cause improvement is linear. And that’s Caleb MO. For every crazy play Caleb made he missed about 5 easy throws. I also think losing Moore is gonna hurt him.

3 hours ago, strato said:

I am not looking at all that. I know his first year was rough. Were they not in the playoffs last year?

Oh yeah, 2nd seed.  Got Ben Johnson for a second year.  
 

You think Bryce got any bump from a second year in the same system?  Of course that can’t work for Williams give me Bryce every time.  

Of course your not looking at that it doesn’t fit your narrative.

Caleb inherited a mansion and they kept adding prices his second season 

1 hour ago, strato said:

Nothing to do with the QB, it is all the receivers. QBs are obviously interchangeable. 
 

And no way would anyone ever trade Bryce for Mr paints his nails.  
 

Considering Allen had more yards after he left Caleb than every panthers WR combined after they left Bryce, I’m sure it was all the QBs.

34 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

Either way he has been better than Bryce. 

He has 2 less TDs, 17 less INTS, and not even less than 1k yards on Bryce in 2 seasons vs Bryces 3. 

Thats the reality we live in as Panther fans. 

That what happens when your third best WR as a rookie is better than anyone on the roster 

The myth is Caleb Williams is better than the reality 

Njoku must want a pretty big contract if he hasn’t signed with a team yet 

Brazzell will not beat out Legette that fast, Legette will still be starting when we go 11 personnel. Brazzell ran like 3 routes at Tennessee and strictly  played on one side, he gonna need a lot of time to learn.

Brazzell, Hurst and Lance all are very similar, tall, lanky and super fast.

We got some speed finally

That’s the fastest WR we’ve had since Ted Ginn 

Dammit I wanted Branch

I want that screen merchant WR from UGA, he’s route tree is awful but he has something are core is lacking 

Seems like he was a consensus 2nd rounder

The bucs getting Bain sickens me, he was the best defensive player in the country last year

So is he gonna start this upcoming year? I think Moton had a bad year this past season. We need a center more than any position. Looks like Ickey ain’t getting a new contract.

Who the f is this guy? 

18 hours ago, TD alt said:

Dude, you're way off base. Concepcion had 440 yards after contact in 2025. Is it elite? No. Is it solid? Hell yeah. Even if I concede that he's not a home run threat, he not only returned two TDs to the house, but he also took a 48 yard screen pass to the house against a stout Mizzou defense. He also had a 45 yarder and a 34 yarder, both largely running after the catch. So you can take that however you want. 

Keenan Allen's career YAC average is basically half (and I'm being generous) of what Concepcion put up last year. Come on, man. They are entirely different receivers.

Sure, he had some legit concentration drops, but it's like some analysts have said, a lot of times drops are overrated. Moreover, it's not like Concepcion is a finished product. 

I mean, it's easy to say most mocks have him outside the first round without realistically being able to look at all the mocks. I've seen him in the top 30 on big boards, so you take that as you will.

Yards after contact can measured if a guy juke a defender and said defender lays a hand on the offensive player., so that doesn’t mean he’s running through a ton of tackles.

You do know Allen had a bunch of YAC at Cal also right? It’s about projecting and Concepcion doesn’t look to project as a YAC guy in the NFL.

This WR class isn’t even that good and he’s not projected in the first round, that doesn’t scream first round talent 

3 hours ago, TD alt said:

Dude, a lot if not most receivers don't break tackles. What are you talking about? Some of the most dynamic receivers in the game are elusive as hell and don't break a thing. We're not discussing a running back, we're discussing a receiver. The litmus test for a first round receiver are things like whether they are a legitimate playmaker, are a threat to take it to the house on any given play, can get yards in chunks, and can have a marked impact upon the game more Sundays than not. Concepcion runs good routes, and wins at all three levels of the field, not to mention is a legitimate returner. Only wins one way? Come on, man. That's ludicrous within the context that you're trying to imagine.

In my first post I already mentioned all those other things he’s not good at. He’s not a home run threat and he’s not gonna size up any DB like TMac, he also doesn’t have great hands. Then add to fact he’s not really a YAC break tackles DJ Moore type of WR. At best he’s Keenan Allen type, but that’s shooting for the stars.

The majority of mocks have him outside the first round

1 hour ago, TD alt said:

Of course. Why would any receiver who has the ability not be elusive and avoid the tackle?

You're trying to make it seem like he's some week receiver that gets touched by an arm and goes down and struggles to make contested catches, but that's simply not the case. Is he more elusive than strong? Of course. But the fact is that most receivers aren't going to have a bunch of highlights breaking tackles. Steve Smith is not the norm, but even Concepcion has a few highlights, including where he wouldn't go down and basically dragged a defender in the end zone.

Thats my whole argument, he’s not the type to break all tackles. He has one way to win and that’s being elusive and quick and I don’t believe that worth a first round pick 

6 hours ago, TD alt said:

I mean, I don't know what you're seeing or reading, but I've heard (not read) several analysts say that Concepcion plays stronger than his size. Like I said, you've got it twisted apparently. Keep in mind that these are only a few. The dude is as tough as nails from what I've been looking at.

"Concepcion is a very dynamic runner after the catch who shows impressive vision, can make defenders miss in a phone booth and shows good competitiveness to finish his rushes. His role as a rusher hasn’t been as prominent recently, but received a lot of carries as a freshman. Gives pretty good effort when stalking opponents in the run game, with a physical temperament and better functional strength than expected."

https://www.fantasypros.com/2026/01/2026-nfl-draft-scouting-report-kc-concepcion-wr-texas-am/

"Play strength is better than you’d expect given his size, a little bit stockier and stronger than this type of receiver typically is"

https://jonledyard.substack.com/p/2026-nfl-draft-scouting-report-texas-eae

Strong Hands and Competitive Toughness

"Despite not being the biggest receiver, Concepcion attacks the football, finishes through contact, and plays with noticeable intensity. He’s reliable on contested catches and tough over the middle."

https://www.draftnation.com/articles/2026-nfl-prospect-profile-texas-am-wide-receiver-kc-concepcion

Go watch his highlights, it’s a lot making defenders miss not breaking tackles 

2 hours ago, TD alt said:

According to what I've seen and read, he's strong. He's a dawg. You appear to be going only by size. I mean, there are some notable receivers near his same size. He's certainly not the biggest, but isn't the smallest either. Some of y'all seem to have the attitude that slot receivers aren't worth a first. I do not believe that. Moreover, Concepcion can probably play on the outside or "end up on the outside." Wherever he plays, his "superpower" is his dynamicism with the ball in his hands.

He’s not strong, he’s a quick twitchy WR who makes defenders miss. He’s not breaking tackles like a DJ Moore.

I don’t think he’s worth a first round pick, he’s a slot WR. He doesn’t have home run  speed. And he’s not physical enough to break a lot of tackles or big enough to make contested catches over DBs

Dave needs to let Bryce throw it more, if you look at the games where Bryce had more than 30 attempts our offense functioned at a higher clip