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26 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Maybe, maybe not. You cannot assume these rookies will be able to start right out of the gate. The run defense could actually get worse for a while before these rookies get up to speed. But given how bad it's been I can see the benefit in just ripping the bandaid off and letting them earn their strips under live bullets all season.

Just to clarify, my earlier comment was specific to Clowney and Scourton and not an argument for starting all or most of the rookie draft picks.  It is an assessment (probably wrong) where I am balancing 1) rebuild year, 2) cap management, and 3) my perception that Scourton is already starter capable, if the expectations aren’t too unrealistic.  Yes, the run defense may suffer initially but I think the long term benefits to the team and his specific development are greater than the short term potential step back in run defense at that one position.

This may be my only post in my 20+ years here on the Huddle where I am arguing for taking risk, as I am congenitally risk averse.  Anyway, I appreciate your measured and thoughtful counter argument.

2 minutes ago, Waldo said:

You hang onto Clowney as insurance and part time work. With as much dead weight as they have in that room there are easier cuts.

They look to be feeling overconfident IMO.

True, but that insurance has a cost that can be avoided (in part).

4 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

I'd consider cutting DJ Johnson before Clowney. He hasn't shown anything in the 2 seasons he's been here. In 27 games he's appeared in he has a half a sack. He will also be turning 27 in October.

Clowney at least fills a role of having a veteran with some success in the NFL with high draft pedigree. If I had to choose between the 2 I'd choose Clowney. I don't see Johnson developing into a solid starter.

No disagreement with cutting DJ Johnson.  That was a terrible ‘need’ pick and should be the poster child for why you should draft BPA, not need.

I’m usually more risk adverse but, I’m wondering if it doesn’t make sense to rip the band aid off, trade or cut Clowney and start Scourton.  Unless he just seems lost in camp, let’s throw him in the fire and get him real three down starter experience.

We are still in the rebuilding phase, not the ‘win now’ phase.

Also interested in seeing what the Team does with UDFA.  Who will be this year’s Coker?

8 hours ago, Basbear said:

F it, Im down. 

“All your Edge are belong to us.”

15 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

I'm not sure Dan and Dave have the luxury to slow walk this thing. That defense has got to drastically improve or this pick will not cover for them. Someone will be sacrificed and the heat will be turned on. Billionaire owns do not subscribe to long rebuilds, especially those over 75 years old. D&D have the same pressure regardless of who they drafted yesterday or today and tomorrow. The basement has been found and they better get out of it this season or the boo's will be back in force. 

Who goes first or would they both go to clear the deck for a new administration?

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I don't like giving up future picks on players that you may need that future pick to replace. This team is not in any condition to afford giving up drafts picks in its current state. When they build a team that can have back to back playoff appearances then we can talk.

I understand your point.  My counter argument is that you are swapping a good, perhaps very good backup for a 2025 potential starter (Ez, Emmanwori).  If Morgan doesn’t believe that either player would start and fill an immediate void, I wouldn’t do the trade.  Starting calibre player only.

15 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Such a silly statement

Why, thank you!  I tried really hard on that post.  I’m glad I met your expectations…

5 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Wants

Big Trade up: Ez, Emmanwori

Minor Trade up: Swinson, Schwesinger

Stay Put: Princely, JT Tui, Norman-Lott, Xavier Watts, Trey Amos, Trapilo, Mbow

The “go bananas” option: Jaylin Noel

I would do the minor trade up without hesitation.  I’m not sure I trust Morgan to execute deftly on the ‘big swing’ for Ez or Emmanwori…

56 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Pass on trading future picks. No on offering future pics. Stay put or use late round pics in THIS draft only. 

Or a player (Zavala; still on a rookie contract) and a later round pick to get up to the top of the second.  Not likely but Zavala is probably as good as any G drafted in the second or later.  I can’t think of any other player that would have perceived value for a trade up that we would be willing to part with.

“He plucks the ball out of the air.”  He’s not a body catcher; that ought to make some of the XL skeptics happy.

Two OT’s may be taken in the top 8 picks.  If one of the two falls to pick 8, that could be your BPA.

3 hours ago, ECHornet said:

No one in Charlotte should be worried about Sanders being in New Orleans. 

Sanders to NO?  As a Panther fan, you might be forgiven for a subtle smile…

6 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

I fear they will have to take a wr early on day 2 if there's a run on them on day 1. You know how we fair with 2nd round picks and I think the best will be picked by round 3.

Another Panther’s 2nd round WR pick?

1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

Is he worth it? Maybe. I know the team is seriously interested in him or they wouldn't have met with him 3 times. He's the best safety in this draft and 1 of only 2 safties that are day 1 worthy picks. 

The way I see it is that the team has the option of taking a player at a position that is a huge value to draft. That's edge, tackle, qb or wide receiver. Ask yourself who in this class of day 1 picks could benefit the Panthers the most to draft.

Now look at the visits and see what positions they have put the most time in day 1 players. Two things stand out to me. They are focusing on defense and it's OLB and a safety. I think it comes down to 3 players and they are Walker, Stewart and Emmanwori. Everyone else is smoke and mirrors. 

Good logic.  I see it.

4 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

The problem with saying bpa is who's bpa are you talking about? The term bpa is always in the eyes of the beholder. When I look at all the projected day 1 selections I see 2 that stand out. The next guy could go 4 or as far down as 32. It's that wide open the way I see it. If you want my honest opinion Cam Ward is a day 2 qb and is lucky he's the best of the group. 

Okay, throw away the poll list.  You're the Panthers GM and we're on the clock; Emannwori is available.  Would you pick him at 8?  

Bonds agent on suicide watch...

5 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Yea I’m not in love with any of the guys to be honest.  Not a great class to be picking 8th overall unfortunately.  It would be better to have several 2nd round picks.

No disagreement with you.  The poll is me exploring the possibility that we do not get an acceptable trade down offer and have to make a choice at 8 so, who is a true BPA, not a need pick.

4 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I could be completely wrong but I would take Walker over Graham.  It’s not really a need issue.  Walker just seems like he has a higher ceiling.   And with no real safe picks why not take a shot on a guy like Walker?

Walker has a lot to like.  I'm still unsure if he is 'tweener' or an every down player.  

For true BPA at 8, not need but BPA, I've come around to thinking that Will Campbell (OT) represents the best player available.  Flame away.

12 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Then again, I'm a little tipsy and it's not even 7 pm yet.

It's 5:00 o'clock somewhere...

7 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

The list is incomplete without knowing the first 7 picks. You are asking me to only pick from the players on your list. That's just another way of saying who I want from only this group. 

Unfortunately, I cannot change the poll at this point.  Who did I overlook that you would have included in the list?

10 minutes ago, cookinbrak said:

Mason Graham will be long gone.

Probably but not guaranteed.  I've seen a few recent mocks where he is available at 8.

5 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Who's the first 7 off the board? 

Ward, Hunter, Carter are off the board.  The poll assumes that any on the list are still available at 8.