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4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Also, possible Atlanta may be dumping their GM as well.

 

Atlanta has been one of the weirdest teams lately. The GM drafting top offensive players and the offensive HC not playing them/involving them much on the offense.

1 hour ago, recceice said:

The league opinion was he was the best QB in the draft.. By league scouts he was considered the 1 player in the draft.. The league has proven time and time again that coaches have egos and think they are better then other guys.. Why would that change..

Some of you have for some reason have put your opinion over historical facts.. 

you have no idea what they think a year later after seeing Young play 16 games. And that’s a fact, not an opinion btw.

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

so you believe those reports are false but yet you choose other reports you want to believe.  Cool

Only he knows what is real and what is not. The rest of us have no idea.

1 hour ago, jamos14 said:

 

Very heavy lean for Washington from the Twittersphere.   I don't think any team has asked about Peters despite being the most successful candidate. 

Peters and Bob Meyers know each other well and apparently that's why Washington brought him in.

I actually think Washington might be the top job out there. New owner, storied franchise etc. Starting with a clean slate. I could see it being something taking Peter’s from 49ers.

48 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Fans have buyers remorse because he looked bad and this was one of the worst seasons by a team in the 21st century.  That I get.  Fact is, the next coach & GM has Bryce on the roster. He's here for 2024.  

Combined with this past season's film, the new staff will have an entire offseason, preseason, and probably 8-10 games before they know what they have with Bryce.  That's what we're working with here.  We'll find out a lot of things this next season and where the future lies. 

It's absolutely unrealistic to expect us to trade for Fields.  It's also unrealistic to expect a QB at 33 or even maybe 65.  Have we not learned about forcing QBs without building a team?  We're not immediately getting rid or somehow trading Bryce, and we're not drafting a QB high.  It's just not happening.

HOWEVER, don't forget the new GM will be coming from another team's scouting dept., with their own perspective on Bryce through another lens.   Therefore, it's also unrealistic to expect us to force a new regime to trot out Bryce without getting a sound QB room that suits their standards around him.  He regressed throughout the season sans 1 half game performance against GB.  

It should not deter them from bringing Dalton back or signing a new vet.  It should also not deter them from taking a mid-round chance on a Cameron Ward type as backup who could get thrust into games.  A scenario like that is what we're dealing with if any.

 

 

 

 

 

33 has to go towards an stud o-lineman or a we. I’d love Ward later in the draft.

54 minutes ago, recceice said:

And they won’t be getting the job.. 

But please help me out .. Show me a “reputable” football analyst that’s saying BY is the biggest problem in Carolina.. 

I haven’t seen 1 yet..

I think you are confusing tv analysts with league opinions. They might be the same, they might be different, you have no idea.

44 minutes ago, UNCrules2187 said:

McClay would be a home run but given he's the defacto GM in Dallas, I have hard time seeing him leave the franchise he's been at for 20+ years for the Panthers in their current state of affairs.

He might want to be “the man”. I also don’t think he would be nervous working with Tepper after working with Jerry for so long. A lot of focus on building the o-line, which is great. He would be a home run hire.

1 hour ago, rayzor said:

it's all just football, right?

It’s the reverse Ted Lasso?

It is perfect to have a new GM without any strings attached handle this. The “we know you could have traded him for 2 firsts…” argument has no bearing anymore. Any decision will be based 100% on performance. Tag and trade would be ideal. There might be a team willing to give a first for him, wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

Bryce should get the chance to compete for the starting role, but it shouldn't be given to him. Let him earn it. That is all I would ask of a new GM and HC.

I don’t mind an analytics driven GM. The GM doesn’t have to be the elite scout. His/her role is to build the best personnel department, put the best processes in place etc. Ensure fundamentally sound decisions are done.

In my opinion, life long scouts are much more prone to get “seduced” by perceived strengths and overthinking it. I don’t think an analytics driven GM would have picked Bryce. He would have been too much of an outlier with few measurable strengths. An analytics GM wouldn’t have panicked, traded up and drafted DJ Johnson.

Just my take.

Fired 

7 hours ago, Panthercougar68 said:

I see where you coming from but I will say this, Bryce can get stronger and be able to shake off people better than this year, Tua did it.

but also you can’t tell me that he can’t have the game slow down and be able to process better.

or have an actual offense in place to benefit him. Panthers fans are so focused on how Cam changed things for us in 2011 on a dime but that’s not how things work.

To say that Bryce is a finished product is not fair. I was down on him but damn you get him into a open area with WRs that can catch and you can’t stop him. Him college tape and his nfl tape shows that. 
 

Get him some good guard play (Like Brees had and saints people admit Is what made it work) and watch Bryce go.

One major difference between Tua and Bryce (outside of 3 inches in height and 30lbs in weight) is that Tua has a good ish deep ball to scare defenses. Bryce has never had a good deep ball, not even in college. 
 

Tua also has a stacked offense, not that different from Purdy to be honest. And Miami still only beat one team with a winning record this year.

Will Bryce improve next year? Yes I believe so, I mean he can’t get worse. But will he improve enough to be a high end starter for us? I don’t see it.

21 minutes ago, MGH1989 said:

I believe he showed flashes. I understand the NFL is about consistency and ultimately flashes don’t mean anything, but it certainly gives me hope.

I would ask do you really think we got a fair assessment of what Bryce can be given his support/coaches/FO/ownership. I think that answer is unequivocally no.

So it’s not so much believing Bryce will be a franchise QB, I don’t know, I just know he hasn’t been given the best opportunity to do that. Therefore, it’s an incomplete assessment.

My take is that the circumstances have been really bad, that aside I don’t think Bryce has shown more flashes that any random backup would have done in the same position, and that is why I’m significantly down in the viability of Bryce as a starter in this league.

Question for those who believe in Bryce (and good for you to stay positive, I just can’t): Is your hope based on anything you saw Bryce do this season or solely based on kind of blind hope that he will be good with the right support?

Herbert is interesting, has all the tools, looks great, but doesn’t win. Can’t put my finger on why, but he’s not a winner for some reason.

52 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

The 3 golden boys of the NFL. All 3 no playoffs.

 

This league is open for grabs. It's no longer just Mahomes and everybody else. These going QBs like Stroud/Love are leading their team to the playoffs in their 1st season.

 

Maybe the NFL can stop hyping these same 3 QBs. This league is in good hands at the QB position. I just hope one day we can have our own franchise QB.

 

 

Burrow has missed 7 games due to injury, weird to call him out for missing the playoffs 

20 minutes ago, Verge said:

Why are people writing off the Green Bay game? After Bryce put up 300 on they gave up 19 total points over the next two games and neither quarterback went over 150 yards. 

Mainly because it was 1 out of 17 games. It was also followed by two complete duds.

3 minutes ago, recceice said:

Difference is even when he doesn’t they make a play… 

Agree to disagree, but the sample size is so small so it is hard to say.

8 minutes ago, Solaris said:

Carolina is easily the worst situation in the league. I think it’s an overreaction to say that he needs a Purdy type situation, arguably the best situation in the league, in order to look average. He might be awful but I don’t know how you can tell in this offense.

I base it in his physical limitations as a passer and that he’s never had a good deep ball, not even in College.

1 minute ago, Navy_football said:

Maybe. But his suck wouldn't be nearly as bad as his suck in Carolina. Houston receivers will drop balls on occasion too, but they'll turn a 5 yards slant into a 75 yards TD the next play. No one does that in Carolina. 

That is somewhat fair. But one major difference is that Stroud hits them in stride and Bryce rarely does.

Just now, Navy_football said:

I think the Panthers did too. Honestly, the wheels fell off when the entire oline became turnstiles. Hard to reach too deep into the playbook when the QB is running for his life most of the game. 

I think a big part of the o-line issues stem from Frank. The commentators in the last Colts game pointed out how much better their o-line looked this year with the same players. Plenty of personnel issues for the Panthers, but Frank was nothing short of a disaster.

1 minute ago, recceice said:

I honestly don’t think some ppl are watching the same game I did.. I literally saw Ickey get beat doing a 1 hand block and I guess that was a QB issue?? Lol

I think there is no doubt the o-line has been brutal. But there has also been many times where Bryce refused to step up in to the pocket, drifting too far back in his drops or didn’t throw the ball away. This has been pointed out over and over by the commentators. So he is far from blameless here. It is a shared statistic in my opinion.

It feels like Bryce needs a Purdy type situation to look like anything like an average starter. All his limitations (lack of deep ball, footwork etc.) have been highlighted this year because of the crap situation he was put in. We need more than an average starter to go back to the playoffs on a regular basis, and I don’t see it in Bryce.

34 minutes ago, Verge said:

This is an insane overreaction for a rookie quarterback tbh. He showed plenty of flashes and to act otherwise is silly. He gets at least one to two more years. I don't think any of Young's weapons would start on another team except Thielen who would be a WR2-3, certainly not the best weapon on the team. Offensive line was a mess, play calling was a mess early on. You have to give him time to develop and surround him with some talent. I know it's bad when you mirror it to Stroud, but you have to realize the talent gap between the two teams is pretty wide. 

It is only the people who championed Bryce in college and the draft who see “plenty of flashes”. It feels like a case of wanting to see something so bad you see it even if it is not there. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.