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6 hours ago, mccjeff said:

I think you just explained why it is lazy.

I think having some skepticism of Ohio State QBs in general is a fair assessment. Automatically dismissing a QB because they go there is not. That is what I was trying to convey.

I don’t watch much college football as I do family stuff most weekends, so I rely on what I read only, I have no problem admitting that. However, I have yet to hear any Ohio State fans saying he can put a team on his back and lead them to a win. And that is what I expect from a potential number 1 pick. But if you’ve seen otherwise, I would love to hear more.

1 hour ago, UpstatePantherfan said:

So for all the anti tankers out there.. I will say this. Do you firmly believe that even if we somehow win and make the playoffs this year, that Wilks is the guy to be our next full time head coach and be that guy to get us to the promised land or the very least, a consistent year in and year our playoff team?!

This question is really important because us winning several games doesn’t mean we lose a top 3 pick, but it also means Wilks is staying. Before you think otherwise, do you truly think Tepper will fire Wilks if he somehow has a winning record in the current environment?!? 

So again I ask, is Wilks that perennial playoff type head coach?!? Because if we win this year, he stays. I will be honest, looking around the league at the top elite teams right now, what do a majority of them have in common?! Young offensive minded head coaches. 
 

Out of ALL the teams with a winning record right now, all but two have young, offensive minded head coaches while only two (the Jets and Bills) have defensive minded head coaches.

I see Wilks and I see a good leader of men but I look at his age and tendencies and I see flashbacks of Riverboat Ron or John Fox (that last game where we had all three time outs before the half with 2 mins left and just let the clock go down to half time) and I think Wilks ceiling is Fox/Rivera. Some bad seasons, one great season and a lot of mixed seasons and I do not want to go in that direction. 

I would like an offensive coach as well, but what if Wilks can do what other perennial winner non-offensive coaches such as Tomlin, Harbaugh, McDermott etc. can do? But we’ll wait and see how it all turns out.

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

It’s a different offense that the OSU QBs of the past. Ryan Day runs a different one than Tressel did. He is actually running a different one for Stroud that doesn’t let him run like Fields was encouraged to. Alabama is another example that’s not going to even have the same OC every year.
Texas Tech ran the air raid offense and people overlooked the numbers/stats until a great prospect like Mahomes came around. Stroud is getting recognized because of what he can do with the ball. He can throw every pass through all the layers of the defense and has the size and release you want in a prospect. Playing at OSU doesn’t somehow negate that…

I’m not saying playing at Ohio State negates what he can do. But 3/4 of the time he doesn’t go passed his first read, Harrison Jr would be the #1 WR in this years draft if he could enter (according to Brugler) etc. so you have to go way beyond the numbers to evaluate him and it takes a lot of projecting of what he potentially could become. Just saying he completes 75% of his passes and throws 45 TDs isn’t worth as much in that offense. And I’m not saying you say that, but that is what I see a lot of people cling on to. That is what I think is lazy.

46 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

It's just lazy analytics.  Is Hurts like Jones, Tua, or Young?  Is the current Clemson QB anything like Lawrence?  Be better people.

I wouldn’t say it is lazy. Any Mike Leech offense will have great numbers. Any Ohio State offense will have great numbers. You should always look at those two offenses with some skepticism in terms of the numbers produced by the QB. It also doesn’t mean the QB automatically isn’t great. It just takes more analysis than some other teams.

5 hours ago, Krovvy said:

They tanked, trading Jamal Adams and it's paying off. After years of mediocrity, they finally got out of it.

They have built a roster over the last couple of years, no doubt. Not sure if they were tanking or just incompetent to be honest. But they have not solved their QB situation. They are winning despite their QB.

4 minutes ago, joemac said:

What makes you think both firsts for Burns would be in this coming draft? Isn’t there only 1 or 2 teams with multiple firsts this year? Texans and Eagles?

I also think it is one this year and one next year from a very good team, so it is two late first rounders spread over two years. I wouldn’t take that either if I was Fitt.

26 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

He plays for Alabama will follow him when he enters the NFL and will likely be what most people mention as a flaw. 

I don’t think it will be as the O-line and WRs are not the usual dominant ones we are used to see. He does a lot with less this year, no doubt. I think it will 100% come down to his size and ability to hold up in the NFL.

Some of the concerns about Fields when he entered the draft was his long wind up and his ability to go past his first read, something rarely required as a QB for Ohio State. How is Stroud going through his progression? How is he moving past his first read? Young seem to get to his second and third read frequently, because he has to. This is a tough one with Stroud because why would he if his first read is open? But how do we know he can if he has to? Some of you watch all his games, what say you?

11 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

That's fine and well, but here is UCLA's

Saturday Sep. 3		Bowling Green Falcons Rose Bowl Stadium, Pasadena, CA	2:30pm ETP12N	W 45-17
Saturday Sep. 10		Alabama State Hornets Rose Bowl Stadium, Pasadena, CA	5:00pm ETP12N	W 45-7
Saturday Sep. 17		South Alabama Jaguars Rose Bowl Stadium, Pasadena, CA	2:00pm ETP12N	W 32-31
Saturday Sep. 24		at Colorado Buffaloes Folsom Field, Boulder, CO	2:00pm ETP12N	W 45-17
Friday Sep. 30		15 Washington Huskies Rose Bowl Stadium, Pasadena, CA	10:30pm ETESPN	W 40-32
Saturday Oct. 8		11 Utah Utes Rose Bowl Stadium, Pasadena, CA	3:30pm ETFOX	W 42-

Absolutely agree, I don’t think either of them can be used as an example of a top defense.

8 minutes ago, Varking said:

Iowa had only allowed 3 passing TDS all year going into this week. Penix Jr threw for four against UCLA like two weeks ago. 

3 is always impressive, but the schedule has not been tough by any stretch of imagination:

1 minute ago, Catsfan69 said:

They all scare me. 

I see zero Manning Roethlisberger Elway,Marino Montana Young Brady in this draft.

No Mahomes Allen Wilson Wilson Herbert Aikman Staubach 

This is bullchit. We are going to get the number one pick and there's nobody worth taking.

I get your point, but very few of these QBs were seen as number 1 when the were in the draft. 

If Young was bigger I believe he would be the no brainer first QB.
 

For Stroud, we don’t really know what he can do as he doesn’t have to show his full skill set with his insane receiver core and system (as underlined by the stats in the first post). His stats are similar to every other Ohio State QB in the past 10 years. He might have the best overall skill set, but it is more of a projection, so a tough evaluation. Just my opinion.

51 minutes ago, Ocpanthertew714 said:

meh... we could have gotten more, considering the fact we gave up a second for Mr. Sam Darnold...

Who offered more, care to share any details?

We’re cleaning up the salary cap for 2024, we will get a QB with a rookie contract etc. Far from doom and gloom.

2 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

The GM is going to select the interviewees.  He will conduct the interviews without Tepper.

Once all the interviews are done, Fitterer, Morgan and Tepper will sit down and choose the best coach for our future. That's how it works.   I don't think there is one owner, outside of Jerry Jones, who doesn't have a seat at the table when making this type of decision.

Too many of you want to nitpick things that are said as a shot against the GM.  

I think Fitterer may have approached Tepper about CMC and informed him that we are getting offers and the best way to rebuild this team is to get a good trade deal for him.  In the presser Fitterer said we were close to getting the value of a 1st rounder, which many of you said we should get.  Instead of one pick we got 4 good picks.   I would have liked to see us get a 3rd in 2024 but am happy with the haul.

 

 

This 100%! This is standard procedure at any large corporation and NFL team. Fitt and Morgan will select and recommend the new HC and Tepper will sign off, i.e. “decide”. Tepper might at this point say no if he doesn’t like the candidate, but that is a low risk. Not sure how this is a surprise to anyone.

Don’t we have a lot of unused cap space this year that will be pushed in to 2023 as a positive? I thought we had ~$20M or so.

If you draft someone like Lewis, bringing his OC along would be a great way to ensure a smooth transition. As long as the OC is NFL ready of course. But coming in already knowing the language etc. would be a huge advantage and enable starting day 1.

1 hour ago, Varking said:

If we drafted Anthony Richardson in this draft why would we pair him with Cam Newton? We want to teach him accuracy. I am all in with CJ Stroud right now.

And for those dogging Fields... he has one of the worst group of weapons in the NFL, a very young and not touted offensive line ( 3 of the starters are first or second year players. His two tackles are 5th round draft picks from last year and this years draft class ) ad his right guard is a guy who was drafted to be a left tackle and couldn't win the job, and he is paired with a defensive minded coach.

And yet, it seems like the game is slowing down for him and he is started to get it. He has a #2 WR to throw to and the other guys would all be 4 or 5s on other teams, or were so bad they didn't crack the starting five. 

But also, its silly to bash Stroud because you don't like a previous QB there. Tua and Jalen are different types of QBs and Mac Jones is different than both of them. LSU has brought a lot of trash to the NFL ( as has OSU ) and yet, Joe Burrow spent 3 years at OSU and 2 at LSU and went to a Super Bowl in year 2. Writing off a QB because of a completely different QB at the same school is lazy thinking. 

Cam would have a very similar style, was once very raw (not as raw as AR) knows how to prepare, read a defense, lead etc. that is the reason. I would really hope the QB coach would work with him on footwork and accuracy. I have serious doubts about AR at this point, it is the absolute “what if”/buying the upside situation, with an extremely low floor. But it is fun to dream about the upside.

What signs are there that Fields is starting to get it? is it because he wasn’t awful and threw for 200 yards and 1 TD in his last game? I wish him the best, and good for him if he turns it around, but I wouldn’t hold my breath on that one.

I don’t think you should write Stroud off, but every Ohio State QB looks like a world beater in college, so that is not something that can be ignored.

Btw, here are the stats for Fields this year:

14 hours ago, Icege said:

Been watching games for the top QBs and am really liking what I see so far. There are some really good signal callers in this draft, even if any of the juniors decide to go back to school for one more year.

Got several more games to watch before I form a ranking, but I'm not as high on Bryce Young as others are. I think he puts some hospital balls out there and while he can extend plays it doesn't make up for his lack of size. Impressed with his arm for his size, but not for an NFL QB. He makes plays though, so who knows.

I'm high on CJ Stroud, Will Levis, and Hendon Hooker.

Very intrigued by Anthony Richardson.

Still have to watch Max Duggan, Grayson McCall, and Dorian Thompson-Robinson.

I hate myself for saying this as I’m getting annoyed with all the Cam chatter. But, bringing Cam back on a 2-year contract and drafting Anthony Richardson is somewhat intriguing.

Jim Caldwell would be really interesting as well, not sure if he has a connection to Wilks or not.

I’m just waiting for Frank Reich to get fired, that would be a nice OC. But that won’t likely happen.

I’m curious to see if he wants to establish the run and therefore putting Bozeman at C. Now that would be exciting.

3 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

I think you mixed up Eric Washington for Wilks 

Also, in Arizona he had to work with the combo of Rosen at QB and Keim at GM, brutal stuff. Not sure if he’s a good HC or not, but hard to fault him for the Arizona fiasco.

1 hour ago, Sgt Schultz said:

They would not have to pay Tepper.  If Tepper gives them permission to talk to Rhule and they come to an agreement, whatever salary they give Rhule offsets part (or even all) of the money the Panthers pay him.  In essence, they would be paying Tepper by paying Rhule.

It becomes a PR win for everybody.  Tepper or Fitts get to say something like "Arizona State has offered Matt an incredible opportunity, and while we hate to lose him (cough, cough, cough, choke, sip of water), we do not want to stand in his way.  We wish him the best in the future."

Translated: We found a college willing to take this BS artist off our hands and pay most of his outrageous salary.  He may even work out for them, since you can BS 18-year-old kids a lot easier than 25-year-old men.  For us, we not only unload part of his salary, but we don't have to listen to his BS press conferences, endless buzzwords, and useless spin on statistics after every friggin loss....which is pretty much every week during the season.  We wish him the best, but mostly we are glad he is gone.

 

Exactly what I though. Not sure it will happen, but at this time all we have is hope…