Martin

1.a Sewell

1.b Slater

In my opinion we have to come away from round 1 with one of the three elite LTs. I wouldn’t risk trading back. 

I hear people saying names in round 2 such as Eichenberg (btw his arms are 32 3/8...) and Leatherwood (who was abused by speed rushers), but that’s not good enough. We might as well just keep Trent Scott there if that is the case.
 

We have a chance to come away with a very good LT for the next 10 years, it is a no brainer! 

This was enlightening and also speaks to what a terrible coach Gase is

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

Since you brought it up...

I still think SF goes with Jones.  If they do not, Cincy and Miami get offers from Denver, NE, Wash, etc.

Which means 5 QBs gone.

Fitterer stated that there is a top level--that ends about halfway through every draft---with 5 QBs going in the top 10, that is likely to be about 18 players---12-13 non QBs.

So you inspired me to rank them.  Yes, I will do it for free.

These are rankings  based on their potential impact as football players, barring all team needs:

1.  Penei Sewell:  You have to consider the position and the rarity of elite talent there.  Sewell is not only the best player at his position, he is the best player at LT--since Joe Thomas. 

2.  Kyle Pitts:  Almost as rare at his position (they will probably have to create a new position for Pitts) Pitts hit the NFL at the right time, when the once devalued TE is becoming loved again, because he is a matchup nightmare.  His hands, speed, and size make him unmistakably the best TE to come out in a long time.

STOP.  To me--the elite players in this draft--the "once in a decade" players--stop here.  So I will list the rest of the top shelf players, without explanation  after some Chase comments--he nearly made the "once in a decade" cut.  One or two will surprise you. 

3. Ja'Marr Chase: Normally, a good QB can make a WR better; this WR makes the QB better.  Average sized, he is able to not only make a play on the bad throw, but he has the ability to do something with it after the catch.  It is hard to pinpoint what makes him better than the other great WRs--his nonverbal communication with the QB, his body control, his big play ability--yes to all.  He is going to be great.

4. DeVonta Smith WR

5. Micah Parsons LB

6.  Jaylen Waddle WR

7.  Patrick Surtain III CB (Damn, Bama)

8.  Rashawn Slater T/G  (I am not sold on the LT talk--he would be a great G)

9. Jaycee Horn CB

10. Caleb Farley, CB

11.  Christian Darrisaw OT

12. Najee Harris RB

13. Zaven Collins LB (sleeper, a freakishly large LB from Tulsa)

BONUS:  Pass rushers will be the rage mid first round:   Azeez Ojulari, Paye, Rousseau all knotted here as mid-first round edge rushers)

Analysis:  Sit tight at #8 and take Sewell or Pitts--trade back if neither is there.  Chase?  Well, there are a lot of talented WRs--just a notch below Chase.

 

What’s your hesitation about Slater at LT? I’m not good at judging o-line, so I have to lean on “draft experts”. Curious what’s holding you back?

great list btw

If we come out of the draft with Sewell or Slater, I’ll be super excited. Think Darnold can do fairly well behind a good O-Line and our RB/WRs

Between Pitts, Slater and Sewell, we will get a fantastic prospect. Going to hope QBs at every pick before ours. Should be a really exciting draft.

Bonus: we don’t have to worry about drafting Mac Jones!!!

I saw that Sewell had the infamous 33 arms everyone freaks out about. I personally don’t care in his case, but will it make him drop a few more spots to us?

Hard no to Mond. A 45 game starter shouldn’t have that many issues. The upside we see based on tools etc. in fairly inexperienced QBs doesn’t apply. We know who he is at this point. 

42 minutes ago, Varking said:

Mond has 20 games with a completion percent under 60%. Even this year in his breakout year against an awful LSU team that played no defense all year he went 11 of 34 for like 100 yards. It’s not like he battled for a job. He started way too many games in college to be as inconsistent as he was. And their recruiting classes while he was there were some of the best in the country and SEC. There’s no reason for it other than he’s an ultra inconsistent player. 

100% agree with this. He has started 45 games!!! He should not be this up and down at this point. If he only had one season as a starter, I could see going for his upside based on his arm etc. But he has proven who he is at this point.

I know it is very optimistic, but as of now, I feel Pitts to Atl and Chase to Bengals makes the most sense. Dolphins desperately needs weapons for Tua, so WR also makes sense. Detroit is a wild card, no doubt.

18 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

at 8.

 

Denver will probably have the 9th pick

Haha, yeah I don’t know how to change the topic, but it sure was a typo

I feel like the draft is starting to turn our way in terms of the extreme performances we are seeing from Pitts  and the WR group. Right now I see us getting a QB (Fields or Lance) or Sewell at 8, which would be an absolute home run

What a great signing this have turned out to be. I was not impressed when it happened, but happy that I was completely wrong.

After the initial surprise, I’ve come around on this one. Mac seems like a very good fit for Shanahan. So I can buy that.

I don’t see a defensive player worth the 4th pick, so if I was the Falcons I would go with Pitts, that would elevate Ryan for the next couple of years. Too early to go for a rookie QB for them, Ryan has at least 3-5 years less.

1 hour ago, Basbear said:

Going "madden bro" on this, but on my mock drafts my go-to for 2nd round is Jalen Mayfield. Hes there about 80% of the time and a great follow to picking a QB first. I know after the 2nd panthers pick, the OT value falls into space. Had some luck with getting Little and Smith around the 4th, but if you want a stater level OT, you must use one of the first two picks.

10 minutes ago, Basbear said:

Going "madden bro" on this, but on my mock drafts my go-to for 2nd round is Jalen Mayfield. Hes there about 80% of the time and a great follow to picking a QB first. I know after the 2nd panthers pick, the OT value falls into space. Had some luck with getting Little and Smith around the 4th, but if you want a stater level OT, you must use one of the first two picks.

Haha, I’ve had the same thing happen to me, Jalen in the 2nd round. I’ve always though  he was a 1st round guy, but maybe not.

Don’t like Mond at all, only seen a few games but he is all over the place. If he was a starter for only one season, I could see him as having upside, but he has started 45 games, he is who he is, and that is not worth wasting a 2-3 rounder on. This is Will Grier all over again.

One QB I could see taking a chance on in round 3 or later is David Mills from Stanford. High upside with limited play time due to injuries, looked awesome on his pro day. 

Assuming we get a QB with the first pick without losing our 2nd rounder, what are the top LT options for us?

I like the athleticism of James Hudson and D’Ante Smith, they feel like high upside guys that in the mold of Saints Terron Armstead (he also needed some development when drafted).

7 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

 

This would make our d-line fantastic. Question is how much he wants.

This years draft looks very strong for LT, but very weak for DTs. I loved the Brown pick last year and believe we can get a starter LT in the 2nd round this year.

Also, for all the Wirfs live, he’s a RT.

40 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Just for shits and giggles (in order of brilliance):

• Tony Romo - 5.01
• Matthew Stafford - 4.81
• Matt Ryan - 4.89
• Philip Rivers - 5.08
• Ben Roethlisberger - 4.75
• Drew Brees - 4.83
• Peyton Manning - 4.88
• Patrick Mahomes - 4.8
• Tom Brady - 5.28

I don’t think the 40 time is a good indicator of being an athlete. Romo was great at improvising when things broke down, and so are most of the folks on your list. The question is, have we seen Mac do it?

Did anyone see him at LT for the Cowboys last year? How did he look? Not expecting much, but descent is not a bad place to start. But I have no idea how he looked?

Below is from panthers.com

The “he has grit and moxie daring to throw on his pro day” comments are hilarious.  “He was brave enough to show his deep ball is weak, what an awesome competitor he is”.

I don’t understand the notion that he is better/faster at processing the game than the other QBs. Sark set him up with great first reads most of the time. Yes he executed well, but saying he process better than the other QBs is just pure speculation. There is no evidence whatsoever.

Also, how can he not be in better shape after spending years in the Alabama program? Huge red flag in terms of his commitment to trying to be the best.

Like him or not, but how good of a player Orlovsky was as a player has no impact on his quality as an analyst, that’s just weak.

As for Lance, he has all the physical attributes you want, and the offense he was in puts a lot on the QB, from calling protections, changing plays, snaps under center etc. Sure, he has only done it for one year, but most other QBs that have started for 2-3 years have done none of that.

The leg thing is hilarious, if that is Orlovsky’s big concern, I’m not very concerned.

Again, just one year as a starter in a lower division is not great, but he did a lot in that one year.