Martin

Btw, here is a definition: Predictive analytics is the process of using data to forecast future outcomes. The process uses data analysis, machine learning, artificial intelligence, and statistical models to find patterns that might predict future behavior.

29 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Baseball.

And frankly, that's a sport where it makes more sense. It's more individual in nature and stat driven in results.

Football is far more physical in nature and requires heavy teamwork and chemistry on both sides of the ball.

Again, I know people want it to be some kind of magic bullet, but it just isn't.

29 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Baseball.

And frankly, that's a sport where it makes more sense. It's more individual in nature and stat driven in results.

Football is far more physical in nature and requires heavy teamwork and chemistry on both sides of the ball.

Again, I know people want it to be some kind of magic bullet, but it just isn't.

Nobody has ever said it is a magic bullet. Those are your words, you’re the only one who took it to that extreme to, I’m guessing, prove some kind of point that was outside of this discussion.
 

But I certainly agree to completely disagree with your view that analytics should not be used and evaluations in person and on film is the only proper way to project a college player in to the NFL.

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

You actually just demonstrated pretty well that you're someone who has no idea what analytics are

Scouting is a skill, but not everything within it is quantifiable. These days everybody wants a top ten list when in reality, breaking things down to a decimal point is rarely necessary for someone who knows what they're watching.

There are really only two categories a football player: good enough and not good enough. Some people have the skill set to judge those things. Others don't.

If you don't have that skill set, throwing a bunch of numbers into a blender isn't going to give it to you.

If you do, it isn't going to tell you anything you don't already know.

Disagree on this one. Analytics absolutely has a big part to play if you use it correctly. If you state otherwise I would think you are the one not knowing what analytics are. Analytics was not the culprit over the last few years, instead it was poor scouting from Fitt and team.

6 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

You are making the assumption that the S2 score is the entire reason we drafted Bryce.  In the absence of any S2 score he probably would have still been drafted first based on what the scouting told them.

Also based on this thread it’s pretty clear that those that complain about analytics the most understand them the least.

Alos if we were so analytics driven we might not have considered Young at all.  His measurables alone make him an outlier based on analytic data.

 

Agree on this one. If we were heavy in to analytics we would not have picked an absolute outlier at #1.

14 minutes ago, Steelo said:

Scott was obsessed with Bryce. I remember his presser gushing over Bryce’s performance in the SEC championship 2 years before we were able to draft him. You’re not convincing me he’s not the underlying factor for drafting Bryce. Probably had a stack of papers with some analytic mumbo-jumbo to seal the deal with Tepp

It has been reported over and over by people with good access to the org (Jonathan Jones, Scott Fowler, who can’t stand Tepper, etc.) that it was an org wide decision. Fitt loved Bryce. The whole “Tepper made the decision and overruled everyone else” thing is not only wrong but pretty tiresome at this point.

10 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

One of the best examples of analytics use from this past offseason...

The S2

You can easily find very poor and very good examples of where analytics is used. Statistics and analytics in general can be twisted to whatever you want it to be. But if you know how to use it it is definitely a huge asset.

They have mentioned what a good job Slowik does quite a few times. Changes protections to give Stroud time to throw etc. It’s impressive.

There are two reasons why we need a new external GM:

1) There can be no ties to Bryce. He needs to be evaluated without any strings attached from people who were involved in picking him. He needs to earn everything based on his play.

2) Our roster is bad due to poor drafting and FAs. 

Rhule ran the ship during his tenure, with Tepper fairly hands off. The Frank and Fitt show was a flaming turd and Tepper stepped in. IF the GM drafts well and the HC shows team improvement I believe Tepper will step back a bit. Is he a bit too hands on? Yes. Is it much different from other owners? Probably not.

11 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

So that question triggered you huh?

 

 

I thought Kap was an ok QB, but if I remember correctly he was asking for the salary of a top starter, Burns style. But I might be wrong, it was a while ago.

I think Slowik is realistic. But we’ll see.

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Being a good OC doesnt mean he will be a good head coach.  Way too many variables.  And hiring BS just because he had a good year with stroud and assuming he can fix Young would be a panther move for sure.  If BS is the guy is tepper going to let give him time to grow into the role because the dude is as green as they come.

 

In closing hiring this dude simply because he had a great offense one year is pretty moronic in my opinion.

 

It would be a bit more logical if he got hired and just let EE handle all things defense and he just focused on the offense but I dont know if it works like.  Each head coach has a scheme in mind for what they think would be successful 

Sure, there are no guarantees that anyone will turn in to a great HC. But taking a chance on someone excelling as a OC is a darn good place to start. He won’t turn Bryce in to Stroud, I don’t think anyone expects that. But I’d rather look at what he does in his offense in terms of protecting the QB, adjustments for different opponents etc. And that has been very impressive. I think one of the main reasons we are holding on to Evero is so that a younger offensive HC can focus on the offense initially and let the defense and special teams be managed on their own, a very prudent approach for a younger coach.

10 minutes ago, frankw said:

 

Psst... It's Slowik.

Thank you

My top 3 would be Canales, Johnson and Slovik. Leaning towards Slovik as the favorite, but would be happy with any of them.

29 minutes ago, Pazhoosier89 said:

Slowik should be the choice if he wants too come here. 

The way he sets up protection and scheme around pressure is very impressive 

8 minutes ago, Steelo said:

Me either, I thought he was going to turn down interviews.

The interesting thing with Slowik is that his current team did a lot of analysis on the QBs in last years draft. So he should be very familiar with Bryce. Not saying he likes or dislikes Bryce, but he knows more about him that most other coaches.

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Houston beat writer analysis of Slowik...

 

10 minutes ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

NE - Mayo

LV - Pierce

ATL - Bill

LAC - Harbaugh

It seems like at least four of these jobs have narrowed their focus to one candidate. Leaving us, Seattle, and Washington. I still think Ben Johnson and Mike Macdonald are the cream of the crop. We could have a real chance to get one. We'll see what happens in Philadelphia, but it feels like Sirianni is probably safe. Things have broken well for us.

I have a feeling Harbaugh will go back to Michigan, but maybe this is the year?

Belichick is still a fantastic defensive coach, but Atlanta needs help on offense. So I’m not super concerned about it. I would be more concerned if they hired Harbaugh.

LaFleur has done an impressive job post Rodgers in Green Bay

14 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I have only seen him play a few times, but when I did, I was impressed with his speed (deceptive), his intelligence, and his accuracy (72% completions, 22 TDs vs 4 Ints).  His WRs were very young, and the offense was very run heavy--so they did not need him to stretch the field very often.  I sorta see him as a diamond in the rough--worth the #33 pick?  I think so.  We need two WRs and some attention on the OL. 

However, you could argue that they are not going to give up on the #1 overall pick this quickly, and the best approach is to give Bryce and Andy another year while developing the OL WR and TE rooms.

Does it feel like if we had a veteran and he could sit for a year or two he would be a great pick, but drafting him to compete with Bryce is a stretch? I really want the best G/C at 33.

10 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

Panthers are allowing Brown to interview with the bears for their OC

Hopefully they’re allowing Campen to interview elsewhere as well 

9 minutes ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

For the record I'd be fine with Callahan, but it doesn't seem like these people have any concrete evidence linking us to him it's just a pure guess.

If he brings his dad to coach the o-line and Jake Browning to compete with Bryce, I’d be all in tbh.

51 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

OK let me speak slow.. I don't want anything to rub in tepper's face. I want tepper to learn his lesson and let the football people make the football decisions. It's really not hard 

Or, you can hope he does some good hires this time and our division rivals mess it up. Now that would be much better. And let me know if I need to repeat that slower…