Harbingers

More proof the executive branches screwed the pooch on this one. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-how-denmark-reached-stage-of-easing-lockdown-restrictions-2020-4 “Denmark rushed to lock down before almost every other country. Now its response is so far ahead that it's starting to remove restrictions.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/u-s-spy-agencies-collected-raw-intel-hinting-public-health-n1180646 “U.S. spy agencies collected raw intelligence hinting at a public health crisis in Wuhan, China, in November, two current and one former U.S. official told NBC News, but the information was not understood as the first warning signs of an impending global pandemic.” Umm *cough* As I’ve been saying all along.

Look back through recent history.

In this analogy the federal preparation/response would be like scoring a touchdown... in their own endzone.

“But over January and February, agencies within the Department of Health and Human Services not only failed to make early use of the hundreds of labs across the United States, they enforced regulatory roadblocks that prevented non-government labs from assisting, according to documents obtained by CNN, and interviews with 14 scientists and physicians at individual laboratories and national laboratory associations.”

I find it informing and relevant information as this person is supposedly the leader of our anti-pandemic effort. It’s too bad you can’t handle factual reality.

It’s the truth. Can you handle the truth?

That’s all @Icege I take no credit.

Just gonna post this up here too.

So your saying DC created COVID because it’s an election year?

I emphatically guarantee if there was a different president at the helm. This never would have happened and we would not be experiencing what we are now.

FIFY. The president is the leader of the free nation. A leader with no ability to take responsibility, thus a leader doomed to fail. We have known about this for a long time, we had ample time to prepare. Instead, here we are now. The people arguing with you here are trying to subvert this thread into a rightwing tinderbox, for obvious reasons.

It’s already happening. Most people(who can’t understand the basics of all this) aren’t order any Asian food anymore across America. Read an article on it yesterday. Really depressing.

That’s something the Japanese and Koreans have no American will ever have. Humility.

False Hope isn’t Hope. It’s fear mongering.

““Whether hydroxychloroquine works in vivo is not proven for any virus, and in fact in randomised controlled trials against a number of viruses, including influenza, it doesn't work at all,” says Douglas Richman, a virologist and infectious disease physician at the University of California, San Diego. Hydroxychloroquine has shown activity in vitro against many viruses, including influenza and coronaviruses, but that has largely failed to translate into success in either animals or humans. In 2005, the drug showed in vitro activity against SARS-CoV, which is closely related to the current pandemic virus, but it failed to decrease viral load in mice, and clinical interest drifted away, says Christopher Tignanelli, a surgeon at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis, who is involved in clinical trials of COVID-19 treatments. Although the existing evidence is thin, it is promising enough to warrant further study, says David Boulware, an infectious disease physician at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis. “When someone is sick in hospital, we throw the kitchen sink at them, but we don't always know if it works,” he says. “That's why we need clinical trials.”” “These Paris researchers found that after five to six days of treatment with hydroxychloroquine (600 mg per day for 10 days) and azithromycin (500 mg on day 1 and 250 mg on days 2 to 5), eight of the 10 patients still tested positive for COVID-19. Of these 10 patients, one patient died, two were transferred to the ICU and another had to be removed from the treatment due to serious complications.”

Actually it is correct. There is no evidence that by itself it does anything. Read the studies. Which means it may not be the drug doing a thing at all. It also has no effect on severe to life threatening cases.

And giving it to people it will have no effect on while endangering those who it’s actually approved for is just dumb.

I am not “grinding my ax against trump” on this. There is no evidence to suggest Chloroquine has had any effect in the way it’s being suggested, especially in severe cases. Much less being a “cure”. Where as the Japanese drug has show substantial benefit in mild to medium cases, stopping the disease from multiplying. Aka disease can’t multiply, disease dies. also, “And, more importantly, it can have dangerous side effects, as well as giving people false hope. The latter has led to widespread shortages of hydroxychloroquine for patients who need it to treat malaria, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, the indications for which it was originally approved.”

There is no mitigated factual evidence that chloroquine does anything. What you and bull should be paying attention to is this Japanese drug. Remember this doesn’t stop severe(pneumonia) cases. But can be used as a treatment for the high percentage of mild cases. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/japanese-flu-drug-clearly-effective-in-treating-coronavirus-says-china

Stop it with chloroquine. No actual study or doctor backs this up as a definitive “treatment”. In fact the CDC just scrubbed it from the website.

Note: posting this up here too cause I’m sure a few people use these companies at least. https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/business/allstate-payments-coronavirus/index.html Holy poo. If your through either of these two and you’ve been home. Get you that check. Edit: Just talked to someone that goes through Allstate and the email says they are paying everyone back 15% to everyone but don’t quote me. “Two insurers -- Allstate and American Family Insurance -- announced Monday they will give back about $800 million to their auto insurance customers because people are driving far less during the coronavirus crisis. Allstate (ALL) said it will refund about 15% of premiums paid by its customers in April and May, which comes to a total of about $600 million. "Given an unprecedented decline in driving, customers will receive a Shelter-in-Place Payback," said Allstate CEO Tom Wilson "This is fair because less driving means fewer accidents."”

Continual Political talk, right or wrong = TB Facts and Crisis = this thread. That’d be my compass.

Linville’s been doing a fine job of keeping this thread civil and moderate through its history so far.

When was the last time you looked out a window?