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7 hours ago, JABANOG said:
Sheesh after him going to bat for his brother we're still listening to this clown??
Im kinda surprised they didn't ask Robby Anderson about what he's like as well, since he was in the lockerroom with him for a couple years.
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9 minutes ago, electricbluecats said:
Right on. Way too much revisionist history going on with some people here...it's not hard to understand the process of making the move while also agreeing the results didn't work out.
Where do you see the voidable year though? The third year of the contract isn't voidable, but like you were saying we can get out of it with minimal ($5m) penalty, so this could always be a 2-year contract if we wanted it to be. Didn't want other people seeing "voidable year" and trying to make the contract out to be worse than it really is since it's become such a buzz phrase this year.
Thanks man. And it's the line between 2021 and 2022, it's an opt out year that they gotta decide before the 2022 NFL year starts.
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59 minutes ago, KSpan said:
They're not wrong though. Teddy hasn't changed a bit since coming into the league, even on his Saints film, and the results were extremely predictable and I daresay even worse than the mediocrity many saw coming from the outset. It was a poor decision regardless of the money though the money makes it worse given the same highly-predictable results could have been had for much less, full stop.
Aren't you guys tired of playing the same broken record over and again? Can some of you just take a step back and see the big picture, or is it just cuz you picked Bridgewater in the 1st round of your fantasy draft and he cost you money.
It is what it is. It's over, we're all moving on. Catch up.
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1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:
Honestly, I don't and it has everything to do with the money. He's paid millions. He didn't perform. We haven't sugar coated that. The organization didn't really start airing their disappointment until after Teddy threw the staff under the bus for "not getting the play call in on time" when he missed a wide open DJ in the endzone. There seemed to be a clear shift toward "fug this guy" in regards to Teddy from the organization after that and honestly it's tough to blame them.
And yet Bruce Arians literally threw Tom Brady under the bus multiple times during the season, and they won the Superbowl.
https://www.radio.com/weei/sports/patriots/bruce-arians-seemingly-throws-tom-brady-under-bus-again
We're all human, we make mistakes. It was one time. If it were multiple times then I'd be concerned, but I'm sure they all handled it internally.
Sometimes it spills. It doesn't mean he's a bad person. I'm sure you're not a bad person when you forget to say 'youre beautiful' when you slipped and said 'that's what you're wearing?' and you slept on the couch.
If relationships can mend over one time, and it's not a pattern, then give the man a pass. I'm sure his family is tired of hearing his name slung through the mud so much this offseason. He's human, give him a break.
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33 minutes ago, Shotgun said:To bad the panthers didn't watch any film on Teddy before they gave him that contract. Do some research next time for f*cks sake!
That's the pot calling the kettle black. Some of you really should learn how to use Google an check your facts first.
The floor price for a starting quarterback is around $20m according to Spotrac https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/quarterback/
Teddy ranks only 16th in average salary, and the only ones below him are Rothlisburger(after a huge restructuring), backups and qb's still under their rookie deal.
$20m might have been top 5 money 10 years ago, but thats just the floor these days. It's called inflation.
We took a calculated gamble because he was familiar with the system Brady was installing, and did well in it the year prior going 5-0. It didn't work. Life sucks, get over it.
You can cry in your beers all you want, but some of you armchair GM's need to check your facts first and start looking at the team long term.
Bridgewater has a voidable year after this year, and we're about 1 year away from being a complete team. But the bricks are being put in their place, and theres a light at the end of the tunnel.
I know it's hard to be patient when your definition of success is a Superbowl or we're trash, so you might wanna start lowering your expectations and get with the process, otherwise you're always gonna be disappointed.
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3 hours ago, Mage said:
I don't think we truly realize how deadly of a combination Burns and Reddick is. That is a lot of speed. I think there is no doubt we're going to have one of the best pass rushes in the league next year. Burns, YGM, Fox, Brown, and Reddick is a lot to deal with. Really all we're missing is a 3-tech. But I could see us bringing a lot of 3-4 looks to the table next year.
Agreed. It may be our best sack duo since Greene and Lathon.
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10 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:
His coaching staff and teammates are also human beings. Once he threw them under the bus I have no problem with anybody going in on Teddy. He is less than the great person he is made out to be.
Just doing a quick google search, i found this article with this quote:
“It’s just a throw that I’ve got to make,” Bridgewater said after reviewing film. “When DJ pops open behind those linebackers, I’ve just got to make that throw.
“When I play well, and my energy is there, this team plays well. I’ve just got to continue to be consistent with the energy I bring on Sunday.”
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article247523595.html
This has been his attitude from the get, team first. At least from what I've seen and read. But hey, I may have missed something, so can you point to me a link or whatnot of when he threw the team under the bus?
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3 hours ago, WarPanthers89 said:
I would be absolutely thrilled if we trade Teddy. Idc if we don’t have a backup plan, just get rid of the dude.
Also the guy who tweeted this is having Adam Corolla on his radio show, so he must be legit
I don't get why most of you poo on Teddy so much. You act like he's DeMarcus Russell or Manziel. You act like he's worse than Jimmy Clausen.
His numbers aside, he's a human being that's a good person, smart and good role model that could mentor a rookie, like qb like Alex Smith did for Mahomes.
But hey, you do you.
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We already have him. His names Christian McCaffery.
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1 minute ago, panthers320 said:
Allen was drafted 7th, the list only includes QBs taken in the top 5
Whoops, you are correct. I missed that part.
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7 hours ago, Zod said:
Below is a comprehensive list of QBs drafted in the top 5 that were traded up for:
Sam Darnold
Mitchell Trubisky
Carson Wentz
Jared Goff
Robert Griffin III
Mark Sanchez
Michael Vick
Ryan Leaf
Jeff George
Steve BartkowskiDon't reach!
Josh Allen = the exception to the rule
Which also led to the Chiefs trading up for Mahomes
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17 minutes ago, Waldo said:
Pretty much. I still have my favorite tho.
Not at all happy to hear Mac in the mix way earlier than I feel comfortable with.
Same. I'm hoping maybe it's a strategy Rhule is using to get some team to trade ahead of them for Mac Jones instead of taking a qb we want. At least, that's what my tin foil hat says.
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35 minutes ago, Newbie said:
Russell Wilson didn’t sit at all behind Flynn. Other then that I agree with your post and thanks for putting the time into this.
True, I just meant as an example that they all were meant to sit and learn behind these other quarterbacks. They signed Matt Flynn for a huge contract because they thought he was gonna be the starter, who knew Russell would be who he was?
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4 hours ago, Zod said:
I was more defending Fields. Most people are not good at public speaking. To assume they lack character as a result probably isn't wise.
That's fair, I meant more in terms of showing signs of leadership and confidence was what I was focusing on. Definitely not character.
And to be fair, I did say in the beginning that I had no horse in this race and would be happy with any of the top 4. Only saying that after watching their press conferences, I'm now leaning more towards Trey Lance. Who's to say Fields isn't the guy, but it's just my impression right now.
Even watching Fields on the sidelines, in the "huddle", I just thought he was more stoic or introverted. But now idk, there is something to be said about charisma and being able to rally the troops when the game is on the line at halftime, and to me he doesn't give me that impression.
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4 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:
That roster was a shell of itself from when Brady was there. They went all out for Brady year after year and that poo catches up to you. Brady sucked them dry and then went to Tampa and stacked the roster there. Brady is great a great player but he’s always played on great teams.
I'd argue that he made them great by his example, standards and work ethic. They threw throwaway wide receivers to him every year that they signed in free agency that made household names for themselves. A high tide raises all boats.
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4 hours ago, musicman said:
I think this is a good angle. Answering questions smoothly and quickly shows how you can process things quickly. It's a small sample but never less a sample.
Exactly. It's not the be all, end all. It's all purely speculation and gut feelings. I do put some stock in press conferences. I think how you handle yourself and adversity in press conferences can set the tone for your franchise.
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4 hours ago, Urrymonster2 said:
You need to factor in the fields interviews where zoom... that’s a totally different experience to standing up in front of people
Fair enough. Here's a press conference pre COVID-19.
Now, if you didnt know which one was a quarterback, and only heard their voices, who would you think is the quarterback and leader of the team? Starts at 5:00
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6 hours ago, Pup McBarky said:
Not sure what interview performances have to do with character, tbh. Cam did some really bad interviews but he's a person of high character. Some people just aren't very comfortable in front of the camera or talking to people. One fairly successful NFL coach comes to mind. Lives in New England.
That's fair, I should've replaced Character with Leadership. Cam did have very high character for what he did through his charities and helping people. But as far as leadership skills, to me, was only on when he was feeling good, and when it was bad it was worse.
Now, I've never seen Belichick throw a 60 yard pass with edge rushers at his heels. That's not meant to be condescending, but my point is that when Brady was gone, all his scheming didn't amount to as much as they did before. Coaches coach, but players play, and you need that field general to be an extension of the coaches message to keep the troops in line.
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Wanted to riff off of @hepcat post but didn't want to derail it. I'll say upfront I don't have a horse in this race, I think any of the top 4 would fit. Realistically it'll probably be down to Fields or Lance even if we do trade up.
Ever since he beat Clemson and showed that toughness, I've wanted Justin Fields. But right now I'm leaning more towards Trey Lance. Here's why. Early yesterday I started doing my own video research, but from a different angle. Sometimes you can tell a lot about someone by what they project out to the world. How they walk, and especially how they talk.
So instead of highlight reels, I started watching their press conferences and interviews.
Take a look at these Justin Fields press conferences:
Slouching, disinterest, defensive, and trying to answer with the bare minimum of effort. But okay, sure, it was a loss.
After winning the Sugar Bowl:
A little more open, but still looks and talks like he's uncomfortable in the spotlight. No eye contact(even if its a vid conference), Doesn't smile, just stands like a statue. When asked football questions, just going with generic platitudes without going any deeper.
When I see these press conferences, you know who he reminds me of? Cam. Before you say it, this is not me hating on Cam, I appreciated everything he did for us, and that magical 2015 season. But at the end of the day, the teams emotional swings don't just come from the coaches, moreso it comes from player leadership, aka the quarterback. Cam ran very hot and cold with his emotions, and our team echoed that in our play. When he stopped trying in a game, they stopped trying. When he's feeling good, they're playing harder.
Now take a look at a Patrick Mahomes press conference from college:
Right off the bat he comes off as comfortable in his own skin, confident, eye contact, is able to talk in complete sentences and at length about football while pivoting to anecdotes without being prompted. Even keeled that seems like someone you can rely on when things get tough.
What about someone Fitts helped draft:
Even keeled, able to communicate clearly, comfortable in his own skin.
You can look up more, but their attitude and presence is consistent.
Bottom line: they sound and act like pro's before they've even been in the NFL.
Now look at Trey Lance (at the 8:00 mark):
Even keeled, comfortable in his own skin, communicates clearly and able to riff off anecdotes and details without being prompted.
Looks familiar yet? He looks and sounds pro ready. Like the kindof leader that will stay even keeled when the games on the line and things arent going your way. Like someone the team will be able to feed off that energy and be able to fight back without letting the lows get too low, like we used to do.
So for me, I think a year behind Teddy, like Alex Smith and Mahomes, or Matt Flynn and Wilson, and this guy could be something. He seems ready upstairs.
And based on Fields press conferences, I'm not sure he's that guy, or can become that guy. Being a QB is more than just statistics, it's about being a pro, win or lose.
Anyway, just my 2 cents and just thought it was interesting to share.
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On 1/31/2021 at 12:28 PM, WarPanthers89 said:
Yes it was necessary to put the headline in all caps because I want to yell about it. Serious question.....Why in the world can’t the NFL make the decision to play the Super Bowl on Saturdays?
Ratings would be even higher, more parties would go on, and it would allow people to recover on Sunday before having to go back to work. An estimated 17.5 million people call out of work the day after the Super Bowl currently. To give some corporate jargon..This seems like low hanging fruit. Am I missing something? Is there anyone who would be opposed to this?
PS...Go Chiefs. Screw the Bucs
Because God wouldn't be able to tune in and watch unless it's on a Sunday.
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3 hours ago, TheBigKat said:
Montana went to the Chiefs
Flacco went to the Broncos
Vick went to the Eagles
Cousins went to the Vikings
Favre went to the Vikings
Palmer went to the Raiders
Cam went to the Pats
Big name QBs have gone to other teams with limited to no success
...and yet the Bucs are going to the Superbowl with Brady, when they had no shot beforehand.
Favre spent a full season with the Falcons before being traded, so I wouldn't count him as being "drafted" by the Packers.
I think if you look at it from a different perspective, say the 2nd (aka big) contract of QB's, then Drew Brees falls right into that category.
Stafford is on or going on his 3rd contract, so he'd be a short-term plan. But Watson is just beginning his 2nd contract term, aka the prime years. Like Brees. Like Favre. Like Warner.
Granted, I just don't think we have the space or capital to give up what they'd want for Watson, so this is all speculation.
But for me, I'd put Watson in the Brees/Favre/Warner category.
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58 minutes ago, Calboyz13 said:
I’ve been seeing a lot of crazy things said about trading McCaffrey and to those people your smoking some heavy gas we trade CMC we have no run game and with no O-Line with have no pass game Anther Cam Newton running for his life.. McCaffrey has done nothing wrong for this team besides being banged up because he’s the work horse of the team look at Julio Jones dude is a beast and has been injured multiple times but you don’t see people throwing dirt all on his name because they know he’s a animal when healthy same with McCaffrey. Then I’ve even seen “we needa trade Burns or Chinn like what”?? I guarantee you the ones that are all in for trading McCaffrey are the ones that wanted us to draft Leonard Fournette and Isaiah Simmons.. If Houston is willing to take both our first’s and Teddy Toilet water then that’s fine but theirs no way i’m trading McCaffrey point blank. And if they don’t like the trade that we give Fields Wilson and Jones are good options as well.
Because at the end of the day, it's all circumstantial. CMC absolutely did nothing wrong, but in this league there's very few QB's you can call elite or 'franchise', and those are the ones that get you a championship. Julio Jones can't carry the Falcons, Ezekiel Elliot can't carry the Cowboys, it just is what it is. It all starts at quarterback.
I would love to keep him and hate to see him ever leave, but if that's the price for a guaranteed franchise quarterback just coming into his prime, it's about bringing a Lombardi to the Carolina's.
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9 minutes ago, Jared Patterson said:
So we won't have our assistant GM that Tepper wants, or any of the new scouts before the draft? Why wouldn't we?
Because Black Monday for scouts and personnel is the day after the Draft. Thats the end of the 'season' for them. Right now they're knee deep in their teams scouting so it'd be a hard ask to have one jump to another team while they're so busy getting ready for the draft. Only reason why GM's are the exception is because they set the standard, and they're needed to make decisions and plan for free agency as well.
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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:
Hadn't thought about that.
Morgan and Kuechly in the same front office? That's intriguing.
Right? It's like if the Spiderverse was the Pantherverse!
I hadn't considered it either because I thought Directors and Assistant GM's were kinda along the same level, so it wouldn't be a bump up for him. But if it does, then come on down!
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Agreed. We've been desperately needing a Jordan Gross since he retired. It's just been a revolving door at LT and we all saw what happened to the Chiefs OL when both their starting tackles were out.