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On 3/3/2023 at 10:16 AM, Jon Snow said:

Bucky Brooks and Daniel Jeremiah didn't have him rated higher than Hooker initially.  I'm waiting to see if they've change that after the combine.  I'm also curious to see what order they come off the board. 

What I'm thinking is NFL teams will likely be impressed by his performance, but nothing that will alter their board with him.

Everyone knew he would be a stud at the combine. Now, how they evaluate his film determines his place on their boards, and chances are that means that he hasn't moved much on anyone's radar despite the media hype.

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Except he didn't...

King said there was "a rumor (which might just be smoke)" that nobody wanted Rodgers or Carr.

Quoting it as a definitive statement is shoddy work.

Oh I agree. I just found a link that worked, but it really was a fluff article of speculation. King assumed the panthers probably wouldn’t want Carr per last month, and of course news today says otherwise, and at the least they are doing their due diligence.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10066942-peter-king-aaron-rodgers-derek-carr-not-eyed-by-raiders-colts-texans-panthers

NBC Sports' Peter King reported none of the Houston Texans, Indianapolis Colts, Las Vegas Raiders or the Carolina Panthers "wants to scotch-tape a veteran like 39-year-old Aaron Rodgers and probably not Derek Carr."

Sounds like speculation on Carr, not definitive.

1 hour ago, toldozer said:

Teams are going to try to outsmart everyone else and Levis and AR will go before Stroud. My best case scenario is those two ball out at the combine and Stroud is a bit lackluster.

Honestly dream scenario. Stroud is my favorite of the bunch, would love that to happen.

At this point, it seems highly unlikely the Panthers will have a shot at moving to where they can grab Stroud or Young. With the non-QB needing teams who want to trade also likely to more enamored by one of the top defensive prospects, teams ahead will likely get either Young or Stroud before the Panthers have a shot.

Resultingly, that leaves the likes of Anthony Richardson and Will Levis.

With the Combine underway, the hype for Richardson should soar if past history should repeat itself. His athletic potential will be off the charts, and once his film is dissected, may be more favorable to be one of top eight QBs picked.

With Richardson and Levis most likely within firing range, I figured I'd search around for any film evaluation on him.

Ian Wharton does the job again, dissecting all of Richardson's games from last year. He has a different, more optimistic outlook on Richardson, in which he may be more pro-ready and fixable early than thought. His highs, obviously, are tops in the league, and the prevailing question is whether he can put it together early.

Similarly to Cam Newton, seems Richardson may have a bit of misconceptions about his game. He is a better passer than given credit for, and seems a lot of issues stemmed from Florida's more QB-less friendly scheme and bad luck.

Sure, he has work to do with mechanics and high throws. That has been highlighted, but he also shows a lot of good too - more than most would think.

Overall, these seem to be Ian's thoughts and I certainly think he brings forth a good perspective. Feel free to grant your own opinion too and look through this thread, it's full of great stuff.

If the Panthers do not get Stroud or Young, I certainly wouldn't mind Richardson. Funnily enough, I'd be content with any of the top 4 QBs, as I feel all have great potential to be the future. With the Panthers coaching staff and direction, any QB chosen will have a great situation to grow and improve, and despite Richardson's raw attributes, everything appears coachable and I'd say potentially ready by day one.

26 minutes ago, onmyown said:

Can you logical explain (with examples or even trends and not unknowns) why in the world with a coach with options would say Carolina is close to a ring and that’s what they want to be a part of?

When the two teams of interest to be DC of are the Vikings (31st ranked defense in NFL, -3 point differential, being the worst of a 13 win team in NFL history) vs the Panthers, logic bodes that he'd rather go to the defense that isn't going through a multi year rebuild.

I'm sure money also was a factor, but to act like it's the primary is silly. From an objective viewpoint there is far more potential for him to succeed in Carolina vs Minnesota aa DC.

Thought this is well worth a watch. His introduction and vision when hired for the Broncos last year:

A rockstar coordinator indeed. Excited about this hire.

2 hours ago, thennek said:

Could be. I don’t follow the Vikings but know they were 13-4 last year and have a very good offense and a better than average QB. I do think Reich is going to turn things around for the Panthers….when he gets a QB. 

They had one of the worst point differentials at -3, essentially meaning they had by far the closest wins in the NFL history for a 13 win team.

With only two wins being above a one score game and half their losses being blowouts, that is a recipe for decline this upcoming season. Without anything more exciting to expect defensively and a high chance of further decline due to being strung on aging veterans, they're the easiest candidate to regress to the mean.

They were an outlier this season with their record. To expect similar results next year would be ill advised. It would take a lot more luck too, as their talent is far worse than their record overall and their defense is on the decline.

If Evero looks past the record and recognizes each team's talent as is, Panthers edge out easily defensively and have the most potential. If he wants the best shot at HC, the Panthers are more complete.

If he wants that connection of coaching with the Vikings, then that'll be why he chooses them. He's also known to be very loyal to his guys, even turning down an interim role when Hackett was fired. He may opt for personal connection over talent, which while ill-advised if he wants to be HC since the Panthers are more talented, it may be what he wants.

For background, Irsay makes Tepper look like the best owner in NFL history. From what I've seen from multiple people, he heavily pressured Reich for a win now QB, hence his trend of retreads.

Not sure how much is on Reich or ownership for that, but something to note. He did, however, try to hang his name on Wentz which backfired heavy.

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

You mean like Sean Payton who went 8-8 or so for several years with Brees waiting for a defense. Truth is even primarily passing teams pass the ball 40% of the time or more if they can. And offense gets you in the playoffs but defense wins championships. 

Definitely agree it's hard to neglect defense, but you need a complimentary offense that isn't one dimensional.

Additionally, with Holcomb at DC, it was kind of jarring seeing the defense deflate as the season went on. His concepts weren't good, and while I was on the Wilks train a while ago, seeing how the season progressed I do think there was deficiency even with a defensive minded coach on that side.

Simple defensive concepts that got picked on. Saints exposed the simplicity of our offensive schemes and ensured no one was open in the passing game.

Some spark needs to come or this team won't exceed mediocrity.

5 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

lmao posting your own twitter

lol there's quite a distinct difference between myself and Billy, @elliswould easily verify that, and I have my own twitter I don't really post as much on anymore.

but good to see you again fitz!

2 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

His intentions were the same when he hired Rhule.

 

Very true. Rhule misled Tepper with that and Tepper gullibly went with his snakesoil pitch.

All we can hope is he's learned. Looks like he's turning away from the college scene and keeping firmly on NFL success this go around, which is a good start.

Ignore. Double Post.

Another fumble in the 1st quarter to change the tide on an offense that was driving.

Now if Panthers respond, could look like last week again!

Well, some interesting tweets from one former Panther starter and great on this topic. Looks like some fun banter, but man even if just for sentimental reasons it'd be beautiful to see Smitty in 89 once more.