Captroop

1 minute ago, BurnNChinn said:

We’re still number 1. 

And if we get him, the team is number 2.

20 minutes ago, BrianS said:

That's not semantics, it's called burden of proof.  This is how the law works in America, innocent until proven guilty.  For a criminal case of any kind, burden of proof requires a legal definition of "beyond a reasonable doubt".  For a civil case, burden of proof requires a legal definition of "preponderance of the evidence".

These are important definitions everyone needs to understand, but for some reason aren't well understood or widely taught.  A lot of outrage could be easily avoided with education regarding our legal system and particularly toward the definitions and application of the law.

I once sat on a jury for a wrongful death suit.  While the situation was very sad, the education and understanding I got of our legal system was invaluable.  I know a lot of people see jury duty as a burden, but it really will give you a great appreciation for the country we live in and how much thought and care has gone into creating the system we have.

It's not perfect, by no means.  But we have some very good standards here that we shouldn't take for granted.

It's semantics because football isn't a court of law where that distinction matters. Saying, "I'm a fan of a player for whom there exists a preponderance of evidence that he sexually abused 22 women" is absolutely no better than, "I'm a fan of a player who is a serial sex offender beyond a reasonable doubt."

I'm sure I'm not the only person who read Endurance in high school, so it's pretty cool that they just found her!

https://www.reuters.com/world/shackletons-ship-endurance-found-beneath-antarctic-ice-100-years-2022-03-09/

1 minute ago, Zod said:

It would mean that he isn't a criminal. I'm not sure the NFL will care much about civil cases.

Can't speak for everyone, but that kind of semantics matters but little to me. I demand better.

1 minute ago, rippadonn said:

I respect that. I'm hoping they don't do this.

I'd rather positive Ace Boogie energy if we're getting a FA.

We have the opportunity to get right and take the NFCS but we can't do that if we're giving away our best players.

Fitts is wise. Cam may be a better, bigger Deshaun for a cheaper cost. A FA that won't embarrass us. Positive energy. Somebody who loves you.

I need it. My 2022 has been butt-fugging awful so far. This really would be the cherry on the cake.

And let it be known, to any who may be listening; I will happily deal with the pain of inadequacy! Gladly slog through a decade of mediocrity. I'll watch with frustration, I'll rage at the screen, but I'll be a Panthers fan if they're doing it the right way.

But I won't be a fan of a franchise that tries to win, not matter the cost. I won't compromise my morality to cheer for a sports team.

You tell me the alternative is Sam? Or Malik? Or an aging, broekn down Cam. I'll watch. I'll cheer. I'm in. Deshaun is in, I'm out.

6 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

If we had a magnifying glass into the lives of NFL players, owners, you might quit the whole game all together.

Yeah, but this isn't under a magnifying glass. This is in front of a telescope.

On the NFL Network last night, they had a special program celebrating the contributions of women in the NFL for International Women's Day, and then cut to coverage of how teams are waiting anxiously waiting on the grand jury decision for the 22 credible counts of sexual assault against Deshaun Watson, so that if they decide it's not "criminal" they can beat down his door to give him a huge contract and make him the face of their franchise. If he just settles his grievous misconduct with his nearly 2 dozen accusers financially, then we should stop impeding this man's road to fame and fabulous wealth. Now let's pat ourselves on the back about how little girls can hope to grow up to be sideline reporters and cheerleaders.

This right here, is the embodiment of the whole issue; if you can play ball well, we'll look the other way.

Well I don't have to like that, and I don't have to tolerate it. And if my beloved franchise tells me I should, then fug 'em.

No, and yes I'd stop being a fan.

It's taken a lot for me to even think of a statement like that. I've been through a lot of dark times with this franchise and it's never shaken my fandom. But the crashing waves of bad decisions, one after the other have really worn me down, and that trade would probably push me over the edge.

Not forever, but my fandom would be on pause. I wouldn't watch. I wouldn't wear any Panthers kit in public, and I certainly wouldn't spend a penny on their merch. At that point, I wouldn't feel good about the team, the players, the leadership, or the trajectory of the team. So what, exactly, would I be rooting for? The color scheme?

I'd come back when the offending player was gone, and the horrific fallout of mortgaging our future on him wasn't so obvious. It would be a while.

Just now, AU-panther said:

 

 

Do you really think a coach that is on the hot seat is going to put his future into Sam's hands?

Although a lot of us would like that option there is a reason that I specifically said it wasn't an option for this post.

 

Well then you weren't really asking, "Your solution for the QB situation?" then, were you?

Fix the O-Line and roll with Sam this year. Then re-evaluate and adjust.

The QB situation won't be resolved this season, and I'm terrified by the prospect of us trying way too hard to do so.

CMC is a luxury item we can't afford. He's the hood ornament to a quality roster, and we need building blocks.

The Rams experiment paying off will encourage someone who is a serious championship contender to mortgage their future to get pieces for a run at a Super Bowl title this year.

...the more I think about it, the more I realize we probably should have done that back in 2015.

WTF? I just measured, and even I have bigger hands that Pickett. I can't palm a basketball, much less sling an NFL-sized football in the rain without it slipping out of my hand in the wind-up.

In a sensible year, trading back should net us a first this year, a first next year and change. But Rhule (and everyone else) knows that he needs to make waves now, and can't afford to trade for future picks won't be around to use. So everyone will offer him late round picks for this year, and he's in no position to bargain.

Frankly, at this rate, considering how bad our bargaining position is, I'm doubtful we'll be able to trade back, and feel like come draft day, we'll be sitting at 6. If we net new draft picks, it will be by trading away future picks or players this regime won't be around to miss anyway.

If for nothing else, in this situation I feel compelled to say, "Thank Christ Matt Rhule is our head coach!"

We have Sam Darnold. We don't need to add another Sam Darnold. Let's roll with Sam Darnold until we have a realistic shot at someone other than Sam Darnold or another Sam Darnold.

Damn, I'm watching that video and I'm thinking I really wouldn't mind us spending a day 2 pick on Cole Turner. Apparently not a great route runner, but I wouldn't mind having a target that big in the end zone. Between the size mismatch and his ability to go up and make catches with his hands, not many defender could stop him. Could definitely help our red zone woes.

2 minutes ago, ECHornet said:

4.5 mil per for two years it looks like

Seems like a very average veteran deal. Locked up a key piece and didn't break the bank. I like it!

1 minute ago, Wanderlai said:

I don’t know if any performance can top Prince doing Purple Rain in the rain

Beyonce was up there. I'm not even a huge fan, but damn, that is what a performer is paid the big bucks to do. She put on a show.

8 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Larry David commercial, winner of the night.

Larry David was the winner. I honestly don't remember what the ad was for and I saw it 15 minutes ago. 

I believe Murray will be playing baseball in a few years. He's dynamic, but the league has already figured him out. He's too small and I imagine the prospect of playing into his early 40s, raking in millions of dollars and saving his body in the Show will be a siren song he can't resist forever.

19 minutes ago, PandaMan said:

The skills competitions are a lot more fun than the game, they’re not all like the 40.  They had Justin Jefferson doing the QB accuracy challenge thing and that was fun.  He sucked, but it was fun to watch at least.  The dodgeball game was fun.  The guys actually were competitive in that one.  They definitely should get rid of the game itself, but the challenges make it worthwhile.  They can nix the 40 yard dash tho 

If I were an athlete, I'd certainly skip it, or very performatively half-ass it. If I'm making millions of dollars off my athletic ability, the last thing I'd want to do is provide quantitative data that my measurables are slipping. "Yeah, my agent's going to love the fact that the world saw me run a 4.8 40 at the Pro Bowl when he's trying to negotiate up a new multi-million dollar deal for me."

Everyone talking about Burrow going to the Super Bowl being proof that a QB1 is the magic bullet for NFL success, and therefore we should draft a top 3 QB.

I point to Matt Stafford being in the Super Bowl as the reason we shouldn't. 

Matt Stafford is a championship caliber QB 1. Provably. He's playing for the championship in 2 weeks. He languished his entire career on a bad team and did nothing of note. The magical, championship quality QB couldn't drag a bad team to relevance. And then the first year he plays for a competent squad, he goes to the Super Bowl. 

I said it before and I'll say it again. A championship quality QB1 is the very top of Maslow's hierarchy of football needs. It's the thing that makes you a contender if you already have the lower steps on the pyramid in place. 

Now be real honest with yourself, and answer this question:

"Right now, are the Carolina Panthers more like the LA Rams, or the Detroit Lions?"

Don't fug around. Draft a lineman. 

1 hour ago, saX man said:

Tabor can be respelled into: 

ABORT

It also is Robat backwards, obviously the ancient Minoan word for Troubled Uncle from the White City.

It’s all very concerning.

Just now, Sir Big Spurr said:

Not a Heels fan, but I’ve watched Howell play a good bit. If he doesn’t learn to slide in the NFL, he won’t make it a year. 
 

I think he’s good, not great. I wouldn’t draft him at 6, but I’d wouldn’t hate it if we traded back and picked him. 

That was my first thought. He's gonna have a "Welcome to the NFL" moment real quick if he thinks we can run until he gets dragged down.

Also agree with everything you just said, because I said it almost verbatim in the next post, lol!

I like his tape. But not enough to draft him at 6. If we can trade back and get him at 10-14, and get another pick to shore up the line, I love it.