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15 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

We're not talking about just flaming out in terms of losing games.

In McAdoo you've got a guy who totally lost the locker room and had multiple players actively speaking out about how bad he was.

Okay, I'm mainly just stubbornly playing devil's advocate at this point: but there's a non-zero probability that one of those players speaking out was OBJ.

1 hour ago, TheRumGone said:

I would say 98% of the fanbase wants rhule gone. So any OC candidate outside of a very, very small few is going to get this kind of reaction. Especially after that glazer report of “needs to be a rockstar hiring.” McAdoo is underwhelming but he’s probably the best Matt rhule can do. 

Yeah, pretty much this. Any other OC would probably need to come with a complete regime change. But IF we're saddled with Rhule, and IF we've got no other choice but hope for the current regime to turn things around, I don't hate McAdoo for the job.

5 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

There are legitimate concerns.

McAdoo flamed out horribly in new York. It was bad enough that I'm not sure you can really say "head coaching experience" in this case. Technically yes, but practically? No.

Yes, but there's precedent for flameout head coaches still being very successful as coordinators. Steve Spagnuolo comes to mind. And good or bad, I thing any NFL HC experience would be valuable on the Rhule coaching roster. Not saying McAdoo is at the top of my list, but I don't see anything here to merit the kneejerk dismissiveness the board is treating this news with. 

2 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

Yeah, I'd be concerned if we were interviewing him for our HC. We're looking for an offensive play caller. Not a rah rah guy. 

Not to get political, but my goodness. I want this thread to be exhibit A the next time I ever hear someone say that women are to emotional and irrational to be president. 

Here's a candidate that checks all the boxes. We said Rhule needs a coordinator with NFL HC experience. He's got that. We want someone who's been successful as an OC. He's got that. And still we get 10 pages of how he's the wrong kind of right for this position! Everyone is just looking for another reason to be upset. 

Just now, ladypanther said:

I believe Mike McCarthy just coached his last game as a Cowboy HC.

You have to do something pretty spectacular to coach your way to unemployment in the playoffs. I think he might have just achieved it. 

35 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

As nice a story as he might be, Jermaine Carter was definitely a liability this year.

He's a fine backup MLB. He's a great situational, spell, package MLB. He's just utterly outclassed when asked to be an every down linebacker. I hope we retain him, but he cannot be our starting MLB.

I'm strangely okay with it. Not super enthused about Rhule's third year, but I'm REALLY not up for another regime change. 

Maybe Rhule can learn from his mistakes. Maybe he can grow. Maybe we expect too much instant gratification to let a leader develop. 

It took Rhule one year to create the league's second best defense. Our offense was hindered by a garbage line and our franchise RB being injured AGAIN. If we invest in quality protection, maybe we can see a similar turnaround on the offense.

Maybe not. 

But considering it looks like a done deal, and I personally have no control over it, given the choice between holding out hope, and endlessly spamming clown gifs, I'll go with the former. 

1 minute ago, Sgt Schultz said:

Thanks, that's what I remember. 

His future was always tied to Watson in Houston.  With Watson pretty much out of the picture, Culley was a dead man walking whenever he showed. 

Sucks, because like others have said, I doubt some hybrid of Hoodie, Parcells, Johnson, and Walsh could have done any better with that team.

This. This firing just means Watson ain't coming back to Houston. Doubtful he comes back to the league.

I want Sam for one more year.

1. I would much rather spend our capital addressing other areas rather than chasing our 3rd new off-season starting QB acquisition in as many years, who's going to have the exact same results behind the shambles of a line we've constructed. 

2. If he does better, he might even have some trade value. Maybe peanuts. But hey, I'll take peanuts over nothing.

3. If he does great behind a revamped line, maybe we have a QB of the future.

4. If he does the same or worse, we're locking up a top 5 pick in a much stronger QB class. And cement Rhule's ouster. That's a win in my book.

Fitt's aggressive and savvy. I love his maneuvering in the draft and his "in on every deal" mentality.

He hasn't hit on every one of his FA/trade moves, no. But at least he's making moves. And in spite of what the doom and gloomers think, we really haven't given up that much to make these moves. I'm not even completely soured on Sam. Henderson could end up being a steal.

I'm fully on board with Fitt and am genuinely excited to see what he does this off-season.

A franchise QB is the top of the football version of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs:

https://images.app.goo.gl/F3cqxYt3DCKBsy5j8

Which is to say, once all the more foundational needs are in place, a franchise QB is what enables your team to reach the highest level of fulfillment. But using Maslow's hierarchy as an example, for us it would basically be like living in a palace, but you don't have any food and you're starving to death.  

The lower, more foundational levels consist of things like Team Identity, Coaching, Trenches, Play Calling, Skill Players, etc. If you've got all those other pieces in place, a franchise QB is what makes you a championship contender. We haven't built a foundation yet.

Which is all to say it's simultaneously true that we need to find a franchise QB, and it's NOT what we should build a team around. 

5 minutes ago, theACEboogie said:

There are very educated people that think this is bullshit. Doctors even.

Okay. And the vast preponderance of very educated doctors disagree with you.

1 hour ago, theACEboogie said:

None of this bullshit makes any sense. If you get ran over by a transfer truck but you tested positive for COVID at time of death it's a COVID death, that's a fact.

And if you die later from the direct, lasting affects of COVID infection months later, like pneumonia or lung disease, but aren't positive for COVID at the time, it's not reported as a COVID death.

The door swings both ways if you want to play that game. 

Watching this, I don't blame any QB on this roster for "playing scared."

But on the plus side, it's also not as dire as it seems. This offseason doesn't call for a total rebuild of the offensive line, which I expected. I think we have the pieces in place on the ends. So that means we have 3 interior lineman positions to fill through the draft and free agency. That seems pretty doable.

Better pass protection will create better passers. I truly don't think we've seen the potential of any QB on the roster this season.

Trick question. In order to react, I'd have to watch it.

26 minutes ago, Bama Panther said:

Are you advocating for “rights” for machines? 

...You literally quoted the post where I explained my position.

Are you asking me if I'm advocating for "rights" for machines?

MLB. If we're a defensively minded team, we need a field general. 

5 minutes ago, Oldschool Leroy said:

I look at it like this. Ron Rivera had Cam and Luke when we went to the Superbowl and I feel like better coaching, preparation and in game adjustments could have got us the win. Do I think Matt Rhule has the traits to get us the win in the same situation? No I don't. 

It's laughable you think Rhule could have even gotten that team and that talent to a super bowl. 

Of all the things that speaks to Rhule's poor judgement and ego, it's that he thinks he could draw a line in the sand with himself on one side, and Cam on the other, and come out on the winning side with this franchise and fanbase. 

Yup. He deserves better. 

That shot of him on the sideline. That's not the angry, "just give me the ball," Cam we all know. That's a man thinking, "this is pointless." 

You have to be a special kind of sucky to make Cam Newton disinterested in going back out on the field. 

1 minute ago, Chad_Cota said:

I blame this whole season on the o-line.

Ah, I see you also have eyes!