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I'm not positive I want Harbaugh but he's definitely someone that would improve the team culture almost instantly. I think we might be better off with a certain Lions OC in the long term, but I'm not sure we will be the top destination for either.

Harbaugh may want to come here in part because he'd have SO much to mold, unlike other teams. Haha.

On the bright side, Bryce's season will be remembered for a long, long time.

8 hours ago, Steelo said:

He's correct.  You aren't the top priority and frankly CAN'T be... seeing as the person that would make you a priority isn't hired yet.

Fwiw this is actually what he means by that first comment, lol. He isn't trying to poo on the team in this context imo. We don't have a gm or coach yet

Still not worth the money he wants 

30 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

His only FA success was Luvu. Remember, his job is veteran scouting/acquisition for this team. Morgan is not someone to lose sleep over if he's not considered.  Let the analytics people/search firm come up with the list and see if his names on it. My guess would be no.

Luvu is a huge add. Thelein has been great. Chark ... Is what he is, but he'd have a career year with a different QB. 

I'd let the firm do it's job for sure, but I bet Morgan is more competitive than he'd look to us  fans given Fitt.

1 hour ago, Panthercougar68 said:

Bryce young and Josh Allen are not the same. This is known because this is reality. Josh Allen was viewed as a erratic thrower bust after his rookie year. I’m sorry Bryce isn’t 6’5 but I’m not writing him off because of a bad rookie year which is the norm in the league. 

Allen wasn't known as a bust after his rookie year. He had 18 total TDs in 11 games started ... He didn't throw the ball a ton, but he still averaged 230 yards a game of offense, not bad for a rookie.  The question was if he could ever mature as a passer or if he'd always need to rely on his legs. But Allen was also drafted as a project specifically... Bryce Young was the total opposite...

19 minutes ago, Panthers Fan 69 said:

Tepper is fair game…

Oh I meant the dudes going after each other for the last couple pages lol

What the hell is happening with the insults in this thread - come on dudes. We can disagree all we want, but leave that poo off the forum.

Our receivers are almost always waiting for balls to arrive. They drift and float. Bryce just has terrible footwork and can't deliver a good ball to let a receiver make plays with it most of the time.

I'm not honestly getting too excited about either of those QBs right now, but yes, our offense blows and makes a lot of people look worse.

Edit: worth noting Darnold has a couple of fine games here too. Just give him time

 His problem is 100% consistency. He has the tools, just can't use them reliably 

Just now, recceice said:

With this roster yes it would be..

This roster isn't as bad as some posters think.  Middle of the road OL, even with bad QB play (makes a huge difference), low end receivers but with a couple bright spots, and a good defense. 

I don't think it can be overstated how such atrocious QB play ruins an offense. Bryce is just so bad... 

20 minutes ago, recceice said:

I agree.. Prime Cam could even carry this trash to something .. I disagree that Andy Dalton could.. 

Cam was a different breed.. imo

9-8 isn't carrying a team tho imo.  He'd just execute the offense better, which is all that's needed in this weak division. 

8 minutes ago, recceice said:

Andy Dalton must be secretly Cam Newton now in some ppl mind.. lol

Prime Cam Newton has this team with a 11-6 or better record, lol.  Look what he did in 2015 with those receivers. He'd make this OL look so much better, and Chark would have had a career year even with his drops. If you think Thielen looked good this season see what happens when he's catching darts 30 yards downfield instead of running 10-15 yard routes... 

Edit: cams offenses averaged a touchdown more per game than this year's team did across even bad years, more in gold years. We'd have  beat the poo out of so many teams with him as QB this year, lol.

6 minutes ago, recceice said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13198/jimmy-clausen
 

Are we acting like this season didn’t happen??

Clausen is a terrible choice for arguing why we shouldn't be so hard on Bryce's season 

Just now, Carl Spackler said:

There's no way, man. Maybe 4-13 at best. That won't win a division.

We're probably 9-8 with Dalton. Yes Seattle was a bad defense but not the worst defense we played, and our offense basically doubled our average with him as QB for one game, early in the season. 

The number of games we lost because our O couldn't move the ball AT ALL... Dalton makes a huge difference. The NFC South was just plain weak this year and we played them all crazy close, with the worst QB in the league.

7 minutes ago, hepcat said:

You’re deluded as hell if you don’t think this team wouldn’t have won more games with Dalton starting all the games 

We're in the mix for the division with Dalton...

Ugh this is such a misleading post, come on

8 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

Bryce young and Ikem Ekwonu 

... Why? The only thing at all consistently good about Bryce is the fact he's not soft. Dude is getting smacked around weekly and bouncing right back up. Pillows is a weird nickname for him.

Wtf is Pillows and Hicky?

I remember how we thought the Texans had worse receivers than us. 

Guess having one of the best rookie QBs of all times changes how people view receivers.

Stroud and Bryce both made history for their seasons, lol.

Lol Stroud dropping out of the first two rounds???? Wtf... Must be an OSU hater...

As much as I wanted him a Panther, I'm happy Stroud has found success. And I'm glad he's proved so many doubters wrong.

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Stroud sucks at donkey kong

And S2 tests, the true measure of success.

Okay sure he can throw bombs.  But how's his dinner table game?

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Depends on the role.

If it's unrelated to personnel, I don't really have a problem with that organizationally.

Now that said, the fact that he was involved in undermining the previous coach is a big deal. With that in mind, it's better that he be gone entirely.

If that's not going to happen though, then a non-personnel related role is the best option.

(that's what a lot of us used to hope Jerry Richardson would do with Marty Hurney since he was so determined to keep him)

The undermining the coach is why he has to go. He's just a Tepper pawn and the org doesn't need more people like that.

8 minutes ago, BenjaminBreeg said:

Could you rephrase the question? I'm not clear on what you're asking.

Not sure if this would help, but that chart tallies all the receivers running all the routes, not just receivers who ended up being targeted by the QB. 

 

Let me put it this way - we know what the numerator is in this case, a throw to an open receiver. If the denominator is the total number of passes attempted, it doesn't tell us if a receiver was open on a play and thus it doesn't tell us if Bryce actually made a bad read.  If the denominator is the number of plays in which a receiver is open and a throw is attempted, it would tell us more on that.  Aka, is Bryce not throwing to open men because nobody is open?  That is actually what I think this figure might show from the last time it came up. 

Average separation isn't a great measure on if players are always open on plays, but it indicates approximately if receivers are getting space... It will be really badly skewed if a team has a heavily targeted guy good at getting open (what I suspect is going on with Goff)... Ours is towards the middle/ low end of that, which is consistent with what I think of our receivers...

Our receivers are better than a lot of the crazy defenders of Bryce say, but they're still pretty bad, lol. There are plays where nobody is actually open... It seems about half of our passing plays are like that.