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2 minutes ago, Jetsfan23 said:

true, but great QB elevate there teams. 

look at how many game NE lost without Brady? they couldnt even make the playoffs. he goes to TB and makes a 7-9 team into a 11-5 SB winner.

Peyton went 10-6 in 2010. gets hurt in 2011 and Indy goes 2-14. next year they draft Luck and go 11-5. thats what a great QB vs a bad one can do to your team.

if Sam was great he would have won more games or played better. 

he will probably be a avg QB. you probably have to have a stacked team for him to look good. like the Jets in 2009-2010. where Sanchez wasnt ask to do too much but wasnt good enough to elevate his team to a win in 2 championship games.

A lot of us have been trying to say this for months now, but some insist on a left tackle and waiting for a QB to fall to us ‘organically’ in the future.

21 minutes ago, SOJA said:

Denver is probably not going to, Ben Allbright who is very well connected has said as much and they just traded for Teddy

NE is definitely a possibility. They're going to have to find a team willing to trade though. Atlanta will want a ton. Cinny seems content. Miami traded back up already. Detroit is an obvious possibility but they are probably going to have Waddle or Devonta Smith there at 7 and they have the worst WR corps in the NFL so it's going to again take a ransom for them to move. 

I really think Fields is going to fall to 8

Im not convinced the 49ers aren’t taking Fields. 
 

We’ll find out soon.

16 minutes ago, Jetsfan23 said:

and thats why fans know the best. thanks for correcting me

Yeah, on paper we had the worst defense in the league at the start of the season. 40% of our defensive starters were rookies. The others were scrubs with the exception of Burns.

Rhule massively overachieved given the circumstances.

If he falls past #3 the odds that we get him go way up.

Denver or NE could still come up for him but it’s not as likely.

17 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

This is how I feel about it.

If you think Watson was a realistic plan A you are living in a fantasy world. You can't trade for someone that wasn't being offered for trade. Thanks to the legal mess, it doesn't appear as if we'll know how things would have turned out between the Texans and Watson.

If/When they pick up Darnold's option, he won't be a one year rental.

Completely forgot about them being interested in Haskins. Maybe we shouldn't trust them to pick a QB at all.

It doesn’t matter if it was realistic, a vet QB was their first choice if available.

Also, it is now being reported that the Texans were planning to deal Watson this week and had lined up 8 teams for a bidding war.

Of course, that plan fell through weeks ago.

45 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Same is true for QB and every other position. Would you and the others wanting Fields still want a first round QB if it was Jones being talked about as the pick instead? 

Cam never had to compete for his spot. It was handed to him day 1. How many first round QBs were taken after Cam to compete with him? How many second rounders? How many vets were brought in? None. People have even posted here that the Panthers were scared to do so.

I don't have a problem with the unfairness of the NFL. I have a problem with drafting another young QB that highly when you just traded for one. Give the guy that is here as strong of a supporting cast as you can and coaching. Then see what he can do. If he fails to deliver, then replace him. It doesn't make sense to replace him before he even steps on the field.

Most of those teams sucked with Cam. That's the point. It takes more than just a franchise QB.

I also mentioned Foles, which you had as well, and as I stated, it could be argued Manning as well.

Darnold is plan D. We got him because we had no other choice.

Drafting a QB was plan B after Deshaun.

If a QB they like falls to us, we’ll take him.

Passing on a good rookie QB with potential just because you traded a few picks for some backup option is dumb. Sunk cost fallacy.

28 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I always love the "he's rich so he must know what he's doing" suggestion. As mentioned elsewhere, that idea works really well in places like Washington and Dallas.

What's sad to me is that you've previously been heavily against owner interference, but now with the idea that he might want your favorite guy, you're suddenly okay with it?

Let’s just all agree the that owner input issue is nuanced.

After all, not all ‘football’ guys are smart or think long term (talking to you Hurney)

Some owners are stupid. We see that all the time. Some smart owners have quietly interfered to keep their staff from building for the short term. Rooney and the Ben pick come to mind. His coach that year wanted an O lineman instead of Ben.

I think a good org needs a balance. The owner needs to stay away unless his football guys are making harmful short term decisions because they fear for their jobs.

2 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Sounds like a solid plan. I would hope Rhule wouldn't want a repeat of last year but who really knows at this point. 

Until we have a proven franchise QB we need to keep trying to get one. Spending a 2nd in 2022 on Darnold isn't enough of a commitment or cost to not take a QB at 8 or in the later rounds. 

I don't like that it has to come from the owner but I do like the outcome in this case. 

I really think Tepper is just giving Rhule and Fitts permission to be aggressive.

He’s allowing them to take big bets without fearing for their jobs.

They know these kinds of bets could make the team worse.

They won’t put their necks out like that unless the owner is leading the charge.

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There's another option too. Don't force either and take the best path forward given the options available. IMO, if you don't have a franchise QB you can't pass on a franchise QB prospect. If that's what we think Fields is then by all means he should be the pick if he's there. Having Darnold here means we're not forced to throw him to the wolves if he isn't ready.

Tep isn’t exactly the ‘stay patient and hope for the best’ type.

5 minutes ago, BurnNChinn said:

I just can’t believe it why do u give all those picks for someone if ur just going to draft one. I really hope it’s a smokescreen. I mean if we didn’t trade for Darnold I would be all for it but now I think that would be crazy with all the value with all these other guys especially LT

It all comes down to this.

Some people believe you should build the team (or at least the O line) before fixing the QB position.

Some think you should find the QB before putting together a team.

Tepper is the 2nd type. 

We will spend significant draft capital on multiple QBs over the next few years. 

I wouldn’t be surprised if we trade down for future picks for this purpose. 

56 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Didn’t we have a post earlier this offseason about most starting QBs in the past 10 years were first round picks abs how hard it is to get one in the later rounds? Also it’s kind of a mute argument as Darnold was also a first rounder...

Exactly - What happens to a team that never drafts a QB in the first?

Sims is an aspiring GM. He’s not doing it for click bait. He wants to be right.

He is very down of Fields though. Doesn’t think he’s a top prospect.

13 minutes ago, SizzleBuzz said:

It's a radical thesis but the situation Bucky Brookes outlines as it goes to how the Ravens might handle Lamar Jackson is thought provoking...

https://nypost.com/2021/04/24/ravens-could-dump-lamar-jackson-in-radical-move-nfl-expert/

If they really want to take the Army approach, then I’d take both of their first rounds so they can get Lance.

Not a Kiper fan, but his “success” rate is on par with most GMs.

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

And if he turns out great, keeping him next year could cost a lot more than 18 million.

Only a moron would trade anything significant for a one year rental.

I don’t think there is any chance he turns into a 30+ mil a year QB. 20-25 max in a best case scenario.

The precedent with TB is there. If Darnold sucks he’s not playing next year. It doesn’t matter what picks we traded.

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Giving up what we did for a one year contract would be a dumbass move.

Giving up a 2nd PLUS 18 mil next year to a terrible QB would be a bigger dumb ass move.

You don’t give a guy a guaranteed 18 mil extension just because you gave up something to acquire him. 

Acquisition cost shouldn’t drive retention decisions.

After all, there is a significant chance this guy becomes clausen 2.0.

If he plays great, give him a contract. If not, let him walk. 
 

I think the “plan” is to exercise it if Fields doesn’t drop to 8.

That place has smelled up that area for a long time. 
 

I hope it gets fixed.

11 hours ago, Cdparr7 said:

I told a friend of mine towards the end of the season that I just think he’s in the NFL to A) get paid and B) set himself up for the next really big NCAA opening. If I remember correctly he wasn’t that interested in coaching in the NFL until Tepper and Marty pulled into his driveway and handed him 70 million dollars.

His contract at Baylor was 62 million. 

This was almost a lateral move money wise. 

1 hour ago, Scott12345 said:

That’s too much...don’t trade out of top 12, 15 at absolute worst

and ONLY for a 1st rounder next yr

I think there could be an opportunity to get a number of great players in later rounds this year.

Covid makes this an unusual year. Most teams are going to prioritize guys who played this year.

Rhule and staff still have deep knowledge of a ton of college players from their recruiting days. Knowledge other teams don’t. 

I’m expecting there to be a ton of overlooked talent.

I’d rather trade back a few times for 2 more 2nd rounders this year.

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

From what I've read, I think it's probably true.

I also suspect it might be one of the reasons why Marty doesn't work here anymore.

Why, because he clashed with Rhule?

I think Brown was a great pick. We desperately needed a DT and this years class is terrible.

Hopefully, Marty’s overall record of roster building is what got him fired.

That article could have been a huddle post. 
 

The guy said nothing new.

1 minute ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Keep in mind that Rhule wanted to trade out of #7 last year but Marty was in love with Derrick Brown 

Isn’t that just huddle lore?

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

And some guys throw a laser when they shouldn't.

That doesn’t mean the ability is overrated.