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2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

And some guys throw a laser when they shouldn't.

That doesn’t mean the ability is overrated.

36 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Fans go nuts for a guy that can throw the ball 60 yards, but arm strength is the most overrated quality there is.

It's not about being able to throw it a mile or throw it so hard you break somebody's fingers. It's about being able to throw it to a particular spot and make it catchable.

Yes, but being able to fit a throw into tight windows is helpful.

Sometimes the only way to make a play is to throw a laser.

25 minutes ago, vorbis said:

I've seen several scout types say that Lance has unequivocally the best arm in the draft class, so for this scout to be so definitive about his lack of arm strength relative to other busts... I dunno. it felt personal to me. certainly did not come across as impartial. far from it. proceed with caution.

Having the best arm in this draft doesn’t mean his arm is special.

I agreed with most of this article. Lance doesn’t have special physical tools like a Rodgers or a Cam or Mahomes and he’s never seen nfl level competition.

If you draft him, you’re making a bet.

To me, I don’t see how Lance is any different than Grier.

25 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

well done.

18 minutes ago, Actionman0z said:

The deep south is hardly the US. 

I’ve met people just like that in PA, Oregon, Michigan, Maine, WA.

Pretty much everywhere.

Poor guy. Talking while reading an article off the internet is hard.

12 hours ago, ncfan said:

Jaycee Horn.  Our staff is Really Really high on this kid.  They have him CB1.  

How do you know this?

11 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Here is a rumor that is based on truth:  The Patriots have been doing a ton of research on Kellen Mond.  Discuss. 15?  I think so. second round if not 15.   Popcorn.

They’re going to spend the next 20 years chasing 7th round Tom Brady 2.0.

Should be fun.

20 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

Offensive line is a bit of a different animal because they don't add much "value" as they get to the higher rankings of their position.  I call it the "point of competence."  For simplicity let's say the point of being competent is 5 out of 10.  If you have a guy below 5 it could almost single handedly cripple an offense.  The negative effect of being below the point of competence is noteworthy. 

Where offensive line is different is that once you get above the point of competence, you really don't gain all that much.  Your offense isn't going to change drastically if you upgrade from a 7 to a 9 at LT (for instance).  If you are going to improve an offensive line position, your money is MUCH better spent upgrading a 4 to a 6 than a 7 to a 9.  In the end an offensive lineman is only blocking 1 guy, with the possibility of chipping 1 additional guy.  And the defense largely gets to dictate who that guy is.  And once you've gotten to the point of competence across the board on the offensive line, move on to other spots on the team were upgrades mean more to overall performance.  I will never forget that there was a moment in time where one team had what was considered the best LT in the NFL, what was considered the best C in the NFL and what was considered the best RT in the NFL all at the same time.  That team was the Cleveland Browns and they were terrible.

And I will never forget that team that had a great C, LT, and two stud guards but lost in the SB because of one terrible right tackle.

27 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

You can make that same argument for every position except QB. I think it really comes down to how dominate the guy is. If I was a GM, I would rather have and pay a guy that rarely gives up a sack or pressure vs two guys that were decent and gave up several pressures and a few sacks each.

Sure, there are pros and cons to both. I’m just tired of the team collapsing after one or two of these top guys gets injured. Our depth (due in part to the cap) has been terrible in recent memory. 

How resilient a position group is (especially o line) is just as important has how dominant it is when healthy.

6 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Those second contracts are based off their play and growth, not draft positions.

I know. But the idea is, do you pay one guy top 5 LT money ($25 mill) or do you opt to keep two decent guys at $10-15 mill each. 

Does one pro bowl OL help you more than two above average guys? 

12 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

The difference between 8 and say 15 is only about 5 million over 4 years. That is insignificant.

I’m thinking more about after the rookie deal. 

I’d almost rather trade down and pick up one or two more solid OL guys than take one really good OL guy.

Cheaper and better for the team in the long run.

Wow...very interesting.

I get the feeling he and the Jags are not going to get along all that well.

I also see an early retirement in his future. Obviously not a dude that plays to 40.

21 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Tampa won one with Gruden.

From what I've read, it sounds like a combination of Doug Peterson (and Jim Schwartz) doing an amazing job, Nick Foles getting hot at the right time and in some cases just plain luck.

And then they basically dismantled everything they'd built.

I doubt it’s really that simple. If it was, Peterson wouldn’t have flamed out so fast.

I know it’s popular to say “boo math nerds - yay football guys”, but most of these “football guys” are pretty dumb too.

My guess is the eagles had some good stuff going on but it came from the wrong personalities.

Plus, they had some lucky breaks (as you said).

29 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Have said it before: One of the worst things you can have in any organization is a situation where the guy in charge who believes he's the smartest person in the room...is anything but.

The Eagles have that squared.

They still won a SB with that combo.

1 hour ago, Captain Morgan said:

subscription required, and I no longer subscribe.  Anyone want to tell us what the nightmare is?

Roseman is the new Easterby.

26 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So a reporter asked Matt Rhule today if he thought it would be fair to ask Teddy Bridgewater to mentor Sam Darnold.

Rhule's response?

"I don't really believe in fair or unfair in professional sports."

Loosely translated: "I don't give a sh-t."

 

Ron Rivera always wanted to help be sure players ended their careers on their best terms. Matt Rhule doesn't really seem to be especially worried about that. He appears to be more of a "do whatever it takes to win" guy.

I'm curious which approach fans are more comfortable with.

Win. That’s kinda the point of sports.

You win, you get paid. That’s fair.

He’s seeing ghosts out there....you know?

5 minutes ago, Rags said:

You mean like the 49ers made it no secret all off season they wanted to upgrade from Jimmy G?

Or are you just gonna keep bending quotes and ignoring happenings around the leauge to fit your angry narritive.

Or the patriots making it clear they’d like another option other than Cam.

Or Denver wanting to move off what’s his face.

As the article pointed out, Darnold was Plan D. 

We’re now ‘turning over every QB rock’. 

Not ideal, but it’s what we should be doing at this point. I’m prepared for this process to take years, but here’s to hoping it doesn’t.

I’m pleased they weren’t willing to trade the farm for the #3 pick. The team has too many needs.

10 minutes ago, OldNorthPowell said:

4000 yards, 35 TDs, 10 INTs, and 60% completion percentage

 

That is the floor

Agreed....and that would be a historic turn around.

3500 yards passing

3:1 TD/INT

100 passer rating.