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Bryce will look mostly the same week 1.

Around week 12 is when we’ll know which way he’s going.

2 hours ago, Tr3ach said:

No idea why we didnt get rid of the entire scouting department a long time ago.  Why wait till after the draft.  I assume that played a part in why this draft felt like every other draft of the past few years.

They scout during the season (obviously) so this is the only time to switch things up.

We’ll, unless you want to go into FA and the draft with no scouts.

I bet we start hearing about firings on that side tomorrow or next week.

31 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

A lot of us were calling for offensive line help this draft this off-season after seeing it collapse last year due to injuries. 

I personally found it bizzare that they would spend so much addressing RG and LG. And then just do a patch job at C relying on two guys that have been injured two years in a row and have minimal experience playing the position in the NFL. 

What were your thoughts on this? This is probably the main thing the made me not love this draft.  If wed drafted JPJ or Frazier in R2 and gotten a decent RB later it woudlve been perfect to me.

I feel like all that money they spent will be pissed into to the wind if Corbett/Christensen/Mays suck and/are injured.

Given our small QB, we should be taking OL every year until we have a solid line with solid depth. 

Looking at top 30 visits, they only looked at guards and tackles.

Four of their 15 visits were OL so they were thinking about it.

Those 4 went.

55th, 77th, 81st, 108th.

Basically, they planned to get one in the 3rd-4th round but opted for the linebacker and TE instead.

5 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Donnelly thinks they reached, but says D n D are trying to create an old school Panthers team: defense, running the ball, and a QB that does just enough to help get the win.

In other words, Foxball is back.

1 hour ago, TD alt said:

I think that sometimes fans get caught up in the names and media-driven hype, while the more analytically minded, and the experts---including GMs, team scouts and coaches realize that team building isn't about that. 

I don’t see that. Year after year, fans get it right more often than the ‘experts’.

Especially when it comes to the Panthers.

Delete….didn’t see the other one so far down.

Just now, Hoenheim said:

It's nuts we didn't take any offensive line players in the whole draft. Staff must be super high on our depth and Corbett 

Bad move. With who our QB is, we should be taking one every year. 

We need good depth.

1 minute ago, chknwing said:

ok last pick, who do we want?

QB

2 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

I can agree with this.  We keep our focus on our top likes and don't let notable droppers influence our decision-making.  Even if those droppers align with needs.  We'll see.  The WR room still has me pretty nervous.  

Realistically, are teams going to draft guys they haven’t done deep background work on? 

Physicals, character, etc.

2 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

It’s basically the same crew as the last 3 drafts. It really seems like we have a hard time going outside of our visits/interviews for late round picks. We don’t see to do well at all with guys who dropped that may or are be better overall players than guys we met.

Does any team choose outside their visit pool regularly?

7 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Zach Sanchez is a retrospect 5th rounder to consider as the baseline. 

If we get better value than that out of Smith-Wade I'm happy.

Man, he was terrible.

11 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

He's definitely a dawg. He's raw though. 

A raw dawg you say?

1 minute ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Top 30 Private Visits (19 confirmed)

Brenden Rice – WR, USC

Caelen Carson - CB, Wake Forest

Jase McClellan - RB, Alabama

 Shrine/Senior Bowl/Combine/Pro Day Formal interviews

Malik Washington – WR, Virginia

Jaden Crumedy – DT, Mississippi State

Blake Larson – T, Augustana (SD)

Ainias Smith Texas – WR, Texas A&M

Clay Fields – CB, Chattanooga

Elijah McAllister – EDGE, Auburn

Jordan Miller – DT, SMU

Trey Taylor – FS, Air Force

Audic Estime – RB, Notre Dame

 

Players that are remaining from Panthers original visits tracker. 

So far every pick we have made has been a player visit. One of these guys will be selected at #157

Someone needs to take all private visits and put a ranking next to them so we can keep track of likely picks.

It’s funny looking at the current fifth round picks and seeing all the trades that have happened.

CAR is involved in a ton of them.

He’ll get this year and next as long as he’s average.

Another bad year though….and they’ll replace him.

41 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

100%  We passed on a poo load of talent that could play right fuging now but morgans strategy is obviously the long game.  Again I see both sides but one is high high risk and will get your ass fired quickly

We’ve been following Dan’s long game strategy for the past 3 years.

Look how many of our ‘development’ guys just walked in FA.

The idea of developing raw talent doesn’t ever seem to work in the NFL.

Rookie contracts are short, playing time scarce, and staff turnover is high.

29 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think you missed what I was getting at.

It's this guy.

He's either literally making the decisions or dominating the decision making process in terms of weighting the evaluation metrics because we're making the exact same types of picks.

I don’t see evidence he’s THAT heavy handed.

This seems like a process Dan and Fitt created together with the scouts based on their own preferences.

One thing is for sure. It’s definitely not coming from the coaches.

28 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This honestly feels like another Fitterer draft. Probably because it might as well be. I don't think the decision maker has actually changed.

Decision maker is just one part of it.

The entire process is the same. From RAS scores to chasing specific players.

Really discouraging that Dan still thinks this approach works.

4 minutes ago, The Natural said:

I'm sure he had input but obviously Scott was calling the shots. Do you honestly believe he'd be our GM right now if he was lockstep with Fitterer these past few years? Tepper might be a lot of things but you can't question that he wants to win. He wouldn't have hired Dan if he had agreed with Scott on every pick.

Yes I do.

It’s pretty clear Tepper was having trouble attracting guys to come here.

He hired two guys who had ZERO interviews with other teams.

I think Dan was probably pro Stroud, willing to put up with Dave, and that was enough.

Dan and Fitt are best friends. They are huge influences on each other.

1 minute ago, Hoenheim said:

 

I'm starting to think Morgan was a big part of these past few drafts with some of these bizzare picks.

He was the assistant GM and the GM’s best friend…

Average Backup Or Special-Teamer
 

Strengths

Explosive athlete.

Rangy with good chase-down gallop to the sideline.

Burst and change of direction make him a toolsy rusher.

Hands are very sticky when he gets his chances to take the ball away.

Lateral agility to expand his short-area tackle success.

Weaknesses

Play recognition and football instincts are lacking.

Frequently fooled by misdirection in both run and pass games.

Lacks patience and leverage in his scrape, allowing cutback lanes to runners.

Pulled out of position by bait routes in his spot drops.

Pass rush could use more elusiveness when diving into A- or B-gaps.

22 minutes ago, mickeye76 said:

Was he? The guards we trotted out there were practice squad level. AT was the only WR trying. Chuba was the only RB with consistency. And... our offensive coach was playing an outdated offense. Hurst showed up for two games. Not saying Young is the answer but I'm giving him a mulligan. 

You really don’t remember the narrative before last season?

The dream team staff?

Thielen and Chark hype?

Our shiny new RB?

Id say our line is better this year but it’s not a rock solid line and we still only have one proven WR who isn’t old and slow.

It’s not about who’s available….

Its about who they are targeting.

This FO doesn’t play the draft.

They have a shopping list.

So who do we know they like?

Not ready to say that yet.

He was ‘setup for success’ last year too, and we see how that went.

1 minute ago, hepcat said:

They should have picked Jackson Powers-Johnson and Brooks and the plan would have made sense. I can’t believe they plan to go into the season with a guard coming off some serious knee injuries converting to center with no backup plan. Classic idiot panthers. 

My guess is they plan to move one of the new guards to center in that situation.