Ricky Spanish

I can appreciate the effort in order to get through long boring meetings.

Hope he bounces back and end up being our guy for the long haul. Would love to stop throwing so many resources after a QB year after year.

46 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

I compared him to Bridgewater before the draft and I stand by the comparison

It's not a good comparison though.

Teddy was ultra-hyper conservative and very rarely ever threw the ball past 10 yards ever. When he did it was accurate, but he rarely ever did it.

Bryce threw more intermediate passes (10-20 yards) in like 5 games than Teddy did all season for us.

Arm Strength is similar but that's about it.

3 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

People actually thought Atlanta would get the death penalty for this

God that was hilarious.

There was no way they were going to be punished in any significant way.

Would have been hilarious, but wasn't ever going to happen.

We're just an offense, defense, special teams, culture, and owner away from being a competitive team, it's that easy guys.

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Ill never understand the brooks pick

Sanders sucks and Chuba is on the last year of his contract and has shown to be a mid-tier starting RB at best, best as a RB2.

Brooks was their #1 rated RB and they got him in the middle of the 2nd.

I liked Benson better personally but It makes sense.

3 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

He's got the same problem as Sam Darnold.  He's more athletic than Darnold, but neither of them can consistently make the right decisions with the ball.  He's consistently made mistakes late in games that ended up being the difference in a win and a loss.

The irony with Fields is that his athleticism is what kept the bears in so many games, he would revert to backyard football and scramble and run and make big plays to keep them competitive, but at the end of the game when the bears absolutely had to throw the ball for a win, his limitations as a passer would be exploited. He has some of the worst end of half/end of game stats of any QB in the league because he isn't a good passer.

4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

maybe, but he went to a bad situation and the constant rotation of OC's didnt help matters.  Going to be interesting watching him in pitt.  But if I recall most people thought coming into that draft that fields needed to sit and learn the nfl game.  Who knows how that would have affected him instead of being thrust into a poo offense week 6 or whenever it was they made him the starter.  His skill set is off the charts

He would have been in the exact same situation with us, with even worse coaching.

His Athleticism is off the charts, his QB skillset is not great. Dude can't read a field for crap.

As bad as Bryce was last year, he still threw for more yards than Fields ever has in a season, and has thrown for as many 300 yard games (1) in one year as fields has in 3... which took until year 3 to do btw.

As bad as you think Bryce is as a QB, Fields is even worse.

8 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Navarro made his money doing some wild and dirty poo

All billonaires do.

7 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I still would like to see a world where we kept teddy, drafted Fields and sat him his entire rookie year to learn.

Fields would still suck.

14 hours ago, trucpfan said:

I'm really intrigued with our potential not getting to excited but really just thinking if DJ can become our AT from last year, our go-to WR number one option he's a play maker to the max. Our second option being split between JT/(or any other TE that steps up) and AT, third option being XL gives me a slight optimism that we'll be able to move the ball this year somewhat efficiently with a strong running game. Expect DJ to be targeted early and often making big play after big play I'm hoping for  130 yds 8 rec type of Sundays. Plus a couple 40-50 yrd options I could see Bryce hitting 250+ alot easier then last year's struggle when he barely hit 200 on the regular. We could be in for some decent production maybe upto nfl standards. Anybody think similar? 

The fanbase needs to pump the breaks on Sanders.

Not only is he a 4th rounder, but a TE at that. The best TEs in the league RARELY show out as rookies, it's one of the hardest positions in football to play. He will need some time to develop, but I like him as a prospect and he was good value in the 4th. Expect more things from him next season and beyond, but I think he will be firmly behind at least Tremble this season, and potentially Thomas (If we keep him) as he is a better blocker.

2 hours ago, travisura said:

Bryce was bad. Darnold is also bad. Neither have shown so far that they are franchise QB material. The difference is, Bryce only has one year under his belt, whereas Darnold has well proven what he is, and what he isn't. I don't think you should let Bryce's poor play make you pine for Darnold. 

They are different Bad.

As bad as Bryce was, he didn't have a ton of boneheaded "What the fug were you thinking?" throws last year. He was limited physically, but generally didn't throw a ton of abysmally dumb balls.

Darnold would throw multiple turnover worthy plays every single game, like he had no idea what he was doing out there.

Neither were great, but the former gives me SOME hope that he can get better with a better supporting cast.

21 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

If you not wit us you're against us.

 

Fug Em!

So you're saying that CMC isn't OOU?

Found Rhule's burner guys.

3 hours ago, jfra78 said:

Podcast name 2nd and Short

goddamn that's good

4 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

2.7 seconds lets go

 

That's neither on Ickey nor Bryce, that's a coverage sack.

There were plenty of examples where he drifted into pressure or didn't move in the right direction, but on this play we sent two men out deep and Max Protected with both TEs and the RB staying back to block. Both receivers were completely covered down the field with zero checkdown options and the pass rush got home.

Bryce took a deep drop back due to the PA and to let the receivers get deeper. That was the play design

This sack isn't "Clearly on the QB". There were plenty of examples where Bryce drifts in the pocket or bailed toward pressure last season (open up a random clip from the Jags game for examples), but this is not one of them.

Blame Frank and his dumbass playcalling/design for sending two slow receivers who don't get open well on deep routes with no other options on this one.

14 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

He had a sack / being hit problem in college too, led the draft class with at fault sacks and at fault sack %. 

I haven't been able to find that, granted I haven't done a ton of digging, but what I found was his college pressure to sack (P2S) rate was actually on the "green" end of things, 14th best of all the below QBs in college with the 5th best pressure grade:

Very fair assessment imo. He threw with anticipation quite often and delivered some strikes but his mechanics and footwork made his already small frame a bigger issue in terms of throwing with power.

Also, seeing these breakdowns makes me realize why we moved on from Bozeman so quickly. Dude could not pass block.

From the guys who had CJ Stroud as their #1 QB in the draft last year:

Damn. What can happen in a year:

4 minutes ago, rayzor said:

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You unfortunately now have to do the editing in the address bar:

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

I hope someone like TD takes him under their wings. 

Seems like Shaq already is, which is cool to see.

He isn't as good as Luke or TD, very few are, but he's solid and consistent, and above all, loyal to the team. We have absolutely sucked the majority of his career here minus the super bowl run his rookie year, but he has stuck it out with us.

As a fan of a really shitty team, those are the guys you look back on and appreciate.

Just now, jayboogieman said:

With the way some act like they hate the guy, it'll probably continue until Young isn't part of the team any longer.

These are the people that remind me of that guy that brings up the dumb cringey thing you did with a girl in high school when you're talking to a new girl to try and make you look bad and themself look better. 

It's like, dude, yeah, that sucked and I hate it and want to move on. Please stop bringing it up every chance you get. It's annoying and makes me like you less and not want to hang out anymore.

22 hours ago, Mage said:

The real issue is the fact that this thread had nothing to do with Bryce Young, and yet once again somehow, someway, someone found a way to talk about how bad he is again.  It is just exhausting reading it over and over and over again, like we get it.  Bryce sucks.  And you can't even blame the "Bryce fanboys" because again, nobody had even talked about Bryce in this thread until that post.

Can we not just sticky a "Bryce sucks" thread at the top of the forum?

I was kicking around doing that the other day because you can't post anything about the team without someone making a snide comment or choosing to poo on Bryce completely unprompted in damn near every thread.

The toxicity from last year is still carrying over.

1 minute ago, CRA said:

true.  But I personally view RT is the easiest spot on the line in terms of pass protection.    I think terms of how teams want to attack an OL.  RT is last place they prioritize.  Pressure up the middle and the QBs blindside IMO is where they look to go. 

That's just a CRA gut take of how I view things.... and have no clue if the stats would actually back that up. 

I think Pass rushing has evolved over the past decade or so, and you will see guys moved all over formations based on defensive looks and matchups. The best Pass rushers in the league don't stay on one side anymore, they get moved around to create better matchups and stunt from down to down. Myles Garret spent 366 snaps on the right side (LT) and 334 on the Left side (RT) back in 2020 (Quickest and easiest googling I could find on the subject). That's pretty even, and he's not the only one. Micah Parsons, TJ Watt, JJ Watt, etc. all move or moved around throughout the games. Strictly blindside rushers aren't really a thing anymore.

This is comparable to the last Matt Rhule year, but with slightly more hope.

There was 0 hope that 3rd Rhule season. I know I personally am willing to give the new HC some grace since he was given fuck-all to work with in terms of a roster core after Rhule, Fitt, and Reich blew it all to hell.

41 minutes ago, CRA said:

Tough to ignore Turner's 5 straight bowl seasons though.  2 of those 5 featured Paradis and Larsen at C.  And multiple seasons with Daryl Wiliams at RT beside him. 

More I think about it, in my ranking I'd probably make Moton a push with Turner.  Drop my boy Wharton down to 5. 

Kalil, Gross, Turner/Moton, Wharton. 

 

I know it's not the end all be all but Moton has had a better PFF Grade over his entire career compared to Turner's 5 pro bowl seasons

Moton - Career average over 6 seasons - 75.96

Turner's Best 5 seasons average - 70.1 (and that's with his last season included where he didn't deserve the pro bowl and graded out 63.9)

In fact Moton's worst year was comparable to Turner's Career average (69.3 to 70.1).

Moton has been more consistent and has been better all but one year in comparison.