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Like him as a player or not, it’s always good to see athletes give back. 

1 hour ago, Jackie Lee said:

Also if the qb is dropping back an extra 5 steps out of shotgun your tackles are kinda screwed because they can't guide the edge rusher past the pocket so the only option is to hold them at the line or try to slow down a bull rush for 3 seconds

Makes sense but the interior OL was by far our weakest link. Bozeman played terrible and the OGs were playing like they didn’t belong in the league. Icky was up and down (normal sophomore slump) and Moton was solid as usual. I’m not as concerned about our tackles as we have BC and the GB guy as backups as well. Two big FA OGs should help but C is the red flag currently. 

12 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I think average is underselling him by a significant amount.  He’s a good coach who was elevated to great coach with a great QB.  No coach can win without a good QB.

The Saints post Brees were a lot better with Payton than they are now.  Russell Wilson looked better with Payton than he did the season before.  He’s just washed.

Bo Nix definitely has an edge because he will have a good coach.  It’s hard to say if he just lit up the PAC 12 but people said similar things about Burrow leaving Ohio state and having a one year wonder season.  I will say that even though his stats were spectacular last year.  They were also good the year prior.  Oregon threw the ball a ton last year.  He had more completions than he had attempts in most other seasons.

He didn’t want to rebuild without Brees. It looks like he is 25-21 without Brees under center. So maybe above average, but not as good as he thinks he is. I’m sure he is better than I’m giving him credit for, but he needs to prove it. He needs to preferable prove it without trying to hurt players on the other team too. I’m just not a fan at all. 
Nix vs Burrow in college is good. Nix had 4 years of starting experience before his 5th year where he really put up great numbers against bad defenses. Burrow only played one year before his last season where he went undefeated, won the championship, and possibly put up the best college season for a QB and did it against tougher defenses. Burrow’s team definitely had more talent but SEC defenses should edge out PAC 12 by a solid margin. 

32 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Do we have any actual centers on the roster? I mean guys who actually primarily played the position in the NFL or hell, even college for that matter?

https://www.panthers.com/team/players-roster/andrew-raym/

undrafted rookie from Oklahoma. 

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Has Corbett ever played a down at center in his life? He was a LT in college and he's been an OG his entire NFL career. This kinda feels like the "Byron Bell can play LT because he's left handed" thing all over again. This guy is a bit undersized at guard so naturally he'll make a great center! 

Looks like he only did during the preseason for the Browns in 2018-2019 claiming it was for a total of 203 snaps which seems high? I think he was penciled in as backup behind Tretter. Center is definitely a big question mark… It looks like we have BC taking some reps at center too, which I’m not sure if he has played it before either?

I like the black on black, but they need the black helmet to go with it. 

37 minutes ago, frankw said:

No one should be comparing any rookie QB that has yet to take a snap to hall of famers. Sound familiar? Though I must admit if it was okay to do so for BY to draw a line in the sand against Nix seems hypocritical. I have no idea how good Bo will be in the NFL but in fairness to him he didn’t get to launch his college career at Alabama and play for the modern GOAT. He had to take his lumps to get where he is. One could argue that path better serves him in adjusting to the NFL rather than having been given everything right away.

Nix was a legacy at Auburn that got to start as a freshman. He played for 3 years and was benched his 3rd. He transferred out west where there is no defense and looked great his 5th year when he was older than most (reminds me of Pickett).

Sean Payton is trying to spin it like he tricked teams into passing on him when in reality he was QB6 in this class. I just don’t see him being great at this level, but I’m wrong a lot about QBs. He needed that high powered Oregon offense against PAC 12 defenses to really shine plus his age. He played at Auburn with Derrick Brown. 

The Brees comp is only there because Sean Payton drafted him. People thought he would make Russ look great too. The truth is Brees made Payton look great and without him he was just an average coach. I’d be lying if I didn’t say my hate for Sean Payton is probably skewing my judgement as well. 

Bo Nix isn’t Drew Brees. Go watch his Auburn seasons against better defenses. He got benched for TJ Finley at one point. 

47 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

Is this from the youth football program he did?

https://x.com/josephperson/status/1796938791682216291
 

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

He's been making the rounds this week just parroting the usual talking points while omitting a ton of stuff

Is he a Huddler? 

49 minutes ago, CRA said:

I think the D could be worse.  Not drastically.  But takes a step back. 

I also could Bryce turning the ball over more in Canales scheme/O.  Given the asks under what we assume will be Canales offense will look like......don't play to what Bryce naturally does well.  The counter to that, is maybe Canales goes heavy Wilks approach and we play 1970s football and beat some weak teams and surprise folks on the actual record. 

 

I’m good with more turnovers if it comes with more TDs and pushing the ball downfield. All part of the learning process. 

On 5/28/2024 at 1:25 AM, flagfootballcoach28 said:

Should’ve hired Mike Vrabel. We needed a Dawg for a HC who isn’t afraid to tell it how it is and change the culture. Also an alpha presence who the players not only respect but fear. Canales reminds me of of my overly energetic JV football coach who was trying too hard. Hope I’m wrong. 

Word is that Vrabel wants a good bit of roster control. That was his issue at Tennessee. He wanted more control than the new GM wanted him to have. 

1 minute ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

Sounds like someone who isn’t fully confident in his ability as a HC. If you start winning, you don’t get replaced. He is waiting for a perfect opening like Sean Payton did and that started off rough fit him already. He could have drafted his QB in Washington and built a roster around him pretty quickly IMO. 

10 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

He was speculating.   He clearly says "I think........"

And Ryans saying that Young and Stroud were their top two without saying who his top choice was? If it was Stroud and he got Stroud he should have no trouble saying so. 
It’s just one of the many cases of parroting the voices that back your opinion and disregarding the ones that don’t. We all do it. 

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Well one is retired and one isn't so there's that.  

So he has no connections now that he is retired? Why would he need to make up stories if he is retired? 

31 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Person reported our board was Bryce AR then Stroud.   Fitt was fired but morgan remains.  Pretty pretty nuts if we are being honest 

McClain reported that Houston would have drafted Young if they got the top pick. So you don’t believe that report, but you believe this one?

Bryce was rated QB1 on more sites than not. It’s ok to acknowledge that. It now looks like Stroud should have been QB1 but that happens a lot. Mahomes went after Mitch. Lamar went in the bottom of the first. Alex Smith went 1st and Rodgers went late first. People may not like we picked Young, but we can’t try to rewrite history again and again. 

7 minutes ago, CRA said:

Well, because Bryce didn’t just say I didn’t throw with my WRs.  Bryce made the point of having nothing to do with football overall.   Then went in about being a loner and being alone. So it’s more than just not working out with his teammates.  It’s a lost offseason to build leadership and being the dude.  

CJ Stroud is checking multiple boxes with his actions.  Based on what Bryce said….its a 180 from what you generally would like to see and hear. 

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There are clips of Bryce and ISM working out together. So he wasn’t completely isolated it but wasn’t really advertised because he wasn’t that great of a player last year. I think you are just taking that quote from his interview and running wild with it. He was giving a generic basic answer and didn’t really put much detail in it. I’m not sure if the ISM thing was lumped into morning workouts or he just didn’t mention it…

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, the Madden kid showed up to do a spot.  Yes.   There is also footage of everyone working out inside the facility that day  then everyone going outside and doing a legit workout.   All that went down before Sketch came by at the end of the day to mess around.   Which is why his coaches talk about the workout sessions and not frame as the clip my kid cares about that got filmed at one point, 

and Stroud was everywhere this offseason.  Too much of him in all honesty online.   Interacting with his teammates.  Talking football with anyone he can.  Breaking down football.   Breaking down film.  That’s not being away from football. 

Bryce’s response on top of not wanting anything to do with the game…turned me off because of the isolation talk.  It’s why I refer to him as an Eli Manning type in terms of the leadership he likely is going to bring.  Which isn’t what I prefer from my QB 1.  It’s why I say he doesn’t check the textbook boxes.  But the Giants got 2 rings with it so there is that.  But Eli was also heavy criticized for that because it isn’t the norm at that spot. 

Yeah Stroud was the OROTY and one of the future faces on the NFL. He was on a lot of shows and events because he gets clicks/viewers and already has a strong fan base. I’d bet he was one of the top jerseys. He even played in the celebrity basketball game. I was just asking about him hosting these workouts with his WRs lol. I’m not sure what I’m getting every response possible but that one? I haven seen AR or Levis doing it either, but people keep mentioning Stroud specifically so I was just curious. We can move on now since I don’t think this is going anywhere… 

54 minutes ago, strato said:

Yeah. Very good point. The rookie thing with the rookie center calling out protections, with this QB being where he is, that is probably the biggest single factor in not taking a ready to start college guy. 

That’s the only reason I can think of why they didn’t draft one. I still kind of wanted one later to develop behind Corbett. The only other thing I can imagine is they are strongly confident in these OGs making the change. 

54 minutes ago, jayboogieman said:

Eh, if they've been promised two years and a chance of a do-over if Young still sucks, then they could have drafted a center even if Corbett would start. Having a high caliber center is a must. Maybe the Panthers will get that eventually.

Who knows what they been promised and who knows if Tepper will or won’t honor it. Rhule said it would take 7 years but Tepper got over it quick (and thankfully so). 

49 minutes ago, CRA said:

Yeah, I don’t recall the folks actually coming for Bryce Young last offseason for being with his teammates.  I think that’s a little revisionist.   

and the Texans are the ones who have talked about Stroud working and throwing with his teammates and being with them.  He clearly didn’t unplug from football.  He was all over everything this offseason doing nothing but talking football and sports.   He definitely wasn’t unplugged and embracing being a loner.  You want to take stance all he has actually done this offseason football related was a Sketch social media video but otherwise had nothing to do with football?   Well, I guess I’ll accept that challenge.  

I can find quotes of certain posters on here referring Young’s as a PR stunt if you are doubting it. I mean it probably was to a degree. Anyone posting workouts on social is doing some form of PR. The trainer posted it on social to show the top pick “training” at his facilities. 
I’m just saying that one video was a Madden streamer promo. Twitch or something was the guy’s name. He is like a top Madden player. I just haven’t been aware of other ones. I believe Stroud was even catching passes from Diggs for fun during it. I was genuinely asking where the other ones were because you aren’t the only one mentioning them and I haven’t been following that closely. It’s something to take note of, if he is doing this and the other young QBs aren’t. 

I’d love a 6 win season, and yes that comment is a new low as a fan.

10 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Running backs as a whole past the first round are on 4 year deals.  And God knows if there is a franchise that's has been burned on rb contracts it's us.  So picking one in the 2nd in a down year where he will not be 100% is fuging nuts especially over one of the top center prospects 

I don’t really agree with it either but we appear the really want to be able to run the ball and have a RB that can become out feature back. I’m just not sure this staff was wanting to roll out a rookie center. CB or Edge would have been other preferred options as well. We are still pretty weak there…