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DJack(expiring contract) and Bouye make the most sense to pick up decent draft picks. No one else is going to return anything other than a 6th or 7th rounder, so might as well keep them.

It would be nice to pick up a vet QB. At this point, I'd be open to bringing in Blake Bortles for a shot, provided he hasn't retired yet. Dude is only 29.

On 10/11/2021 at 2:37 PM, Mr. Scot said:

Add in that as much as I like DJ Moore, he's not Steve Smith in his prime. Unless you had an absolute lockdown corner, trying to cover Smith one on one was insane. To be clear, I think Moore is a great receiver and one of the better pass catchers in the league, but he's not that guy. He can be covered one on one and it doesn't necessarily take an elite corner to do it (at least not yet).

Basically, if you have the resources to cover DJ Moore, you can tee off on Sam Darnold and dare the Panthers offense to beat you with everybody else.

 

Question - are all the dropped balls by DJ and Robbie the result of poor concentration on their part or a lack of trust in their QB? Marshall is on IR because he caught a ball that resulted in a big hit. Are DJ and Robbie worried that Sam is throwing concussion balls?

10 hours ago, OldhamA said:

He's a 32 year old big man who's just had back surgery.

Schwartz has indicated he's not yet ready to return. If he were ready, there would be several teams ready to sign him to a deal.

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You know what looks way worse than trading for someone in Watson's situation? Desperately TRYING to trade for someone in Watson's situation and having him look at your situation and saying, "Yeah, I might be facing 20+ accusations of sexual, but that's still a helluva lot better than suiting up at QB for y'all right now."

I'm just laughing to keep from crying. We're a fuging dumpster fire y'all.

Latest was that the no-trade clause was not an impediment to a Watson deal. Sounds like Tepper simply pulled the plug on the trade.

Pathetic.

PFT is asking the question if the Browns are going to give Baker Mayfield a new contract (rookie contract runs out in 2022).

"And it’s not just a question of whether the Browns are willing to extend Mayfield. The real question is whether the Browns will make Mayfield an offer he won’t refuse. At one point not that long ago, each quarterback who was due for a new deal became the new highest-paid player in league history. From Andrew Luck to Derek Carr to Matthew Stafford to Jimmy Garoppolo to Kirk Cousins to Matt Ryan, each guy kept pushing the bar a little higher.

That’s likely changing. With Patrick Mahomes at $45 million per year in new money and with Dak Prescott at $40 million (but actually with a much better deal) and Josh Allen splitting the difference at $43 million annually, the chances of Mayfield coming in at $45.1 million, for example, are slim.

It makes sense, frankly, for a second tier of quarterback salaries to emerge, with a player who is good enough to remain with his team but not good enough to break the bank getting something in the range of $33 million to $35 million per year in new money. That make seem like a lot. However, with the looming cap explosion fueled by new TV deals and stacks of gambling cash, that soon becomes a significant value.'

Question is, would you be willing to pay Mayfield north of $35M/year? I don't necessarily think the guy is a top-5 QB, but he's orders of magnitude better than Darnold and wouldn't cost any draft picks, unless the Panthers tried to trade for him this offseason.

Thoughts?

Dude was probably trying to lose weight (who knows how) AND trying to earn a spot. I doubt he's using a proper nutritionist.

Going to be a near repeat of the Philly game without CMC playing. So far, I've seen no ability for the Panthers to play from behind. No two-minute offense to speak of.

Minny 23, Panthers 16

Two really big things have to happen for the Panthers to make the postseason:

1- CMC must stay healthy.

2- The OLine must gel, play more as a unit and have consistent improvement.

Now, if you believe those two things will happen, you're an optimist. It *could* happen, but I don't think it likely.

20 minutes ago, CRA said:

My bad.  Had it mixed up.  (I’ll edit other)

6th round pick for Gilmore 

3rd round pick plus JAG TE for the #9 pick of 2020

point still remains, nothing about that says you are getting a lot in a trade for Jackson. Who hasn’t put together one strong overall season yet. 

Each circumstance is unique. Gilmore and the Patriots couldn't negotiate a contract that would allow the Pats a little more cap room, so their best bet was to release him. The Panthers paid a 6th so they wouldn't have to compete.

Jackson has had a strong year - so far - and shows signs of a breakout. His tackling ability has improved noticeably. For a team like Green Bay or another contender, giving up a late 2nd wouldn't be that big of an ask.

And, the Jaguars insisted on Dan Arnold. He's not JAG.

I'm okay with debating the facts, but let's stick to them and not try to mold them to our narratives.

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

We got Henderson for 5th. 

We got Gilmore for 6th. 

I think we would get way less than people think.  
 

 

Uh, no. The Panthers traded Dan Arnold AND a 3rd round pick for CJ and a 5th.

<started this incorrectly in TB>

Joey Slye is available and karma is REAL.

It'd be nice to get a competent interior lineman for DJ, but I expect that's not happening. I could see the Panthers getting a 3rd round pick, potentially a 2nd for him.

Lots of teams would love to have a young, fast, potential #1 CB on their team going into the second half of the season. At the end of the year, they could tag him or extend him and would have plenty of time to do so. If they are a playoff team, giving up a late 2nd or 3rd wouldn't be much of an ask and it would certainly be worth it to the Panthers as they try to fix the OLine through the draft.

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, I thought I understood the pick. I thought it was made with the intention of allowing us to let Anderson walk after this season and net us a nice comp pick in return while replacing Anderson with a guy in a cheap rookie contract. But then we extended Anderson and he disappeared so now I don't know WTF the plan was/is.

If we were planning to extend Anderson all along WR probably shouldn't have even been on the board in the 1st or 2nd rounds. Hell, maybe not even the 3rd unless some insane value was there.

Have to think they were worried about the impact of losing Samuel along with the value of Marshall at that draft position. I really think they believed the line would be "serviceable". And I'm sure they expected the Darnold to Anderson connection to improve. It also removed question marks from that area for a couple of years, in the same way they are doing that at CB. 

Unfortunately, the line has been a spectacular fail.

22 minutes ago, musicman said:

While I understand the idea to trade him for a top O-line guy sounds good, he's playing too good to do that right now, IMO.

So, you're solution is to wait until his performance drops off, affecting his trade value and THEN trade him?

A couple of ideas moving forward.

- We aren't re-signing DJack next year. We need picks for the next draft and trading DJack may net us a decent interior OLineman either directly through trade or through the draft pick received in trade. In a couple of weeks, the Panthers will have Gilmore, Henderson and Bouye available at CB. I think that's a pretty good lineup. Then Horn comes back next year. DJack will be an expensive luxury.

- Time to consider Deonte Brown to replace Miller. Maybe move Daley back to his natural side.

- Brady needs to come up with more quick passing schemes. Darnold should be able to focus on getting the ball out in under 3 seconds and he just ain't doing that now. CMC will certainly help.

- IF DJack is not traded, maybe consider moving Bouye to FS. IIRC, he lined up there a couple of times yesterday and seemed to do okay. Bring Chinn up as Joker/LB. 

This is still a very young team. I had no expectations coming into the year that this would be a Super Bowl contender. Still don't. Yeah, I hate the way they are losing and I'll hope they can make the playoffs this year, but my eyes are geared towards next year. Fix the line, improve the play-calling and all things are possible.

If I'm the Eagles, I'd spend the second half in the two minute offense. It's the only thing that's worked, so far.

1 minute ago, OldhamA said:

Who is he meant to throw to there?

Throwing it away would be better than taking the sack.

Sam is holding the ball too long.

Tackles ain't the problem. Guard play looks like Pee Wee League.

Would like to see a few quick hitters here. Sam need not continue dance lessons in the backfield.

Hubbard ain't CMC.

10 hours ago, Eazy-E said:

Zane Gonzalez better give up number 5 or we better cut his ass before week 7. Stephon wore number 5 at USC and South Pointe High.

Unfortunately, players can't change their numbers during the season. #25 is available as is #9. 

Don't really care which number he chooses, I just want to see him out on the field.

Panthers 24, Eagles 21

Just feels like a closer-than-it-should-be game for the Panthers. 

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

Hey, we disagree. I don’t think he’s at their level either. He’s having a good year as part of a good defense, but I think we tend to overvalue our players. I don’t think he’ll get that money for one good year.

That's going to be fun this offseason...

DJ's agent: We want $15M/year for 5 years.

Fitterer: Gilmore just told us he'd sign for 12M/year for 3.

DJ's agent: [...]