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57 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

I feel bad that you wrote this book when if you Google this woman's name you'll find all the anti-vaxx non-profits registered to her name in Florida.  She's an activist trying to get famous.

e: Yeah it is a very powerful accusation, which is why if you're alleging a huge murder for profit scheme that would make the Mafia blush you need a mountain of evidence or I'm not going to believe you.  Give me multiple corroborating accounts from people who don't have a history in anti-vaccine activism or aren't allied with other kooks, give me a paper trail, give me all the proof that has to exist because of the dozens, possibly hundreds, of people in on this scheme.

What you're doing here is shifting the burden of proof:

 

a) That's all you got?  She wants to be famous. Alright then.

b) Investigative journalism is dead?  Depends if a score needs to be settled...we all know this.  OBJECTIVE investigative journalism is dead, that much I will agree with.

32 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

Some severely edited "whistleblower" video...

c) So then, when there is investigative journalism done and it doesn't jive with your "view" it's automatically discredited.  Got it.

38 minutes ago, CRA said:

SC was last at the 6 deaths per day back in mid April. 

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/south-carolina

at least per the site the government continues to use (2nd chart)

Averaging figures, thus the decimal in deaths.  Can't have a .4 of a death for example.   Trend lines typically work on gradual curves.  That's the reason I prefer bar graphs.  We have been averaging 8-9 daily deaths per week for a while, but you know how averages work.  So yes, some days we have as low as 6 deaths and some days as high as 12...generally speaking.

https://www.scdhec.gov/infectious-diseases/viruses/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/sc-demographic-data-covid-19

Edit: Weird, so you have to toggle from Reported Cases to Reported Deaths--it's the first bar graph once on the Reported Deaths page.  For some reason, the link reverts to reported cases.

23 minutes ago, CRA said:

daily death projections for SC and NC don't really look promising.    SC shows a steady rise going to Oct 1 and NC really has more of a plateau going w/ a rise near Oct. 

Things will have to get really, REALLY bad for SC to start losing 25 people a day by October as the projections are estimating.  A typical day is about 6 deaths and a very bad day is 10-12.  These models are based off recent trends and lags several days.  Late last week SC had a couple of really bad days with a spike in deaths and record number of cases, but things have calmed back down for the time being.  Give it a few more days and if things stay at the current levels with no more spikes, those projections will trend back down some and not look quite as ominous.

56 minutes ago, CaliPanthers said:

 

I had been seeing stuff floating around about NYC's pols involvement before this video, but it was always second hand as sources were too afraid to come out directly (mostly nurses afraid of losing their jobs).  Two camps here, this lady is a freaking kook or she's telling the truth.  Even if she is being honest, she's going up against the NYC establishment so it's just going to get swept under the rug.  Shouldn't the NYC media at least do their due diligence to debunk it?  I mean, it's a very powerful accusation.  If it were a complete fabrication it should be easily and quickly debunked, correct?  Why completely ignore it as I'm sure someone, somewhere in the mega NYC media has seen this video.  Could it be they have no interest in seeing if there is any truth behind this and possibly bring further light to the situation?   Could it be they are willfully ignoring it in hopes it will just fade away?

Accusations and allegations (this video and other sources): 

-Admitting patients that tested positive with minor symptoms--$10,000 for admitting COVID-19 patients

-Prematurely putting patients on vents; most died.  Hospitals got $36,000 from insurers for vent patients  

-Coding non-coronavirus deaths as such to get earmarked money for having "treated COVID-19 patients"

-Putting COVID-19 patients in nursing homes with the most vulnerable populations

-Line item put in a budgetary bill eliminating culpability of nursing homes in coronavirus deaths, limiting litigation.

I mean, I could understand how this is a complete non-story...nothing serious at all about this, but Trump tripping down a walkway ramp is front page news.  The NYC media is either being very lazy digging into this or being tow-the-line accomplices by willfully turning a blind eye.  Which one is it?  

14 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

They screwed up but they also have a unique situation that make it its own special little hell hole.  What's frustrating is that they are a media mecca so whatever is happening in NYC tends to be portrayed to the masses as if its happening all over the country instead of in one small super densely populated pocket. 

Yup, filtered and sanitized to fit a narrative.   Why is De Blasio forbidding trace workers from asking people if they had recently attended protests?  Initial reports from Missouri protest tracing, only 1.4% have tested positive so far.

3 minutes ago, Captroop said:

Jesus.

Okay. I'm here to help you through this episode. Just follow my directions carefully.

1. Take off your tinfoil hat

2. Turn off OAN.

3. Google "Population Density USA".

4. Read.

5. Reflect on your vast expertise in epidemiology.

6. Realize you don't know wtf you're talking about.

7. Shut up about things you don't know about.

8. Never turn OAN back on. Ever.

Struck a nerve, I see. Lol.

1 minute ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Do you believe 9/11 was an inside job?

Nope, but a lot of people do.  BTW, nice retort. 

7 minutes ago, BurnHurnBurn said:

How many days has it been now?  May 25 to June 16? 22 days and counting.  Minnesota has shown no spike.  New York is opening.  Georgia is still plugging along.

Are we ready to see it yet?

I still think NYC screwed it up for everyone. Also giving increased incentives to treat coronavirus patients, I think the system got scammed....BADLY.  You can't look at NYC death figures and then look at every other city/state and say it looks normal.  Just dismissing it because of their large population is being very short-sided.  I would like to say their incompetence was due to ignorance, but unfortunately it was more than likely malicious.  Washington State/Seattle never got that bad and they were ground zero for the virus.  Chicago, LA, Detroit, DC, Dallas, Miami...this list goes on and on, none of these large cities experienced the same rate of death, so large populations isn't the main factor here.   Greed and politicization is at the core or this.  I really hope De Blasio gets thrown in jail once exposed.   Cuomo is culpable too.

19 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

All this is accurate, but it's the trial phase of vaccine development that takes the longest and there's really no way to responsibly speed up that process. A vaccine by next spring would still be producing a vaccine in a year and a half which is less than a third of the time the fastest vaccine has ever been developed. I think it's possible, but I think the people banking on a vaccine prior to the coming cold/flu season in the fall are just not being realistic.

I'm more concerned for our economy and people's physical/mental well being.  I'm not personally banking on a vaccine.  Truth be known, the virus will most likely mutate into a less lethal form or burn itself out before a vaccine is readily available.  However short of a vaccine, the hysteria will not settle down.  As stated earlier, I probably wouldn't even get a shot. I'm hopeful for a vaccine so certain people that are still hunkered down in 'bubble mode' can get on with their lives.  The secondary death toll may never fully be known (suicides, refusal of medical attention for treatable conditions and unable to get medical attention).  I would venture to say it could be up to 1/3 of all "related" coronavirus deaths.

14 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

A vaccine by next spring would still be unbelievably quick. Ebola currently holds the record and that's still 5 years.

While Ebola is very lethal, it doesn't spread this easily and did't spread to every place on the globe.  This is a 'all hands on deck' situation.  Secondly, SARS is known virus.  While this particular strain is novel, the family has been studied for a while, so it's not like they are starting from scratch with a complete enigma.

*Knocks on wood*  The death rate is still inching down.  I hope the trend continues!   The confirmed cases are obviously still climbing, but the death curve is flattening out and has been heading that way for a little while.

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

I wouldn't rush to get in line to take a vaccine that was ready by Oct/Nov. 

I won't either unless I'm mandated to.  I've never voluntarily taken a vaccine, only when I've had to.  As I get older, that may change.  If I were an elderly person during this pandemic, I would certainly think about it.

16 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I still believe that a good vaccine is going to lag significantly behind what people's expectations are. Hopefully I am wrong about that.

Heck, even one that's 50% effective is better than nothing.  It's no different than the seasonal flu shot where they have no idea going into the "flu season" which strain will be most prevalent.  That's the reason people still catch the flu despite getting a shot.  The point is it saves some people from getting sick or worse, dying, while giving the populace in general the idea that they are safe.

The flu season a couple of years ago claimed an estimated 61,000 lives.  This was with a vaccine available.  

I just wish they would hurry up with a vaccine already.  A vaccine would calm people down.  Prioritize health care workers and the most vulnerable and then work our way down.  There are some being tested now,  hopefully they can get cleared and start getting people their shots before winter.

31 minutes ago, stirs said:

Football players are probably in no more danger than any other bug that hits them during the season all the time.  Every year, we have reports of guys out with flu bugs that hits teams.  No reason for them not to get together unless they live with their grandparents or something.

 

Due to the player's age range, it is very unlikely to have any serious or long lasting medical ramifications.  The people who are of concern are the older coaches. 

A season with fans?  Nope, I think that's not going to happen anymore, not even limited.  Too much of a liability...especially the possibility suing such a cash cow like the NFL.   The League won't expose themselves like that.

19 minutes ago, Tbe said:

That’s very optimistic.
 

Beijing is seeing a new outbreak. People were out in droves without masks in NYC this weekend. Numbers are going up in a lot of places.

I was out this weekend a few times and no one is using masks anymore. A few weeks ago 80% of people I saw had them. Now, maybe 10% are using them.

Without social distancing and proper mask usage, this thing spreads quickly. 

True, but most people I do see wearing masks are the demographic that is the most vulnerable to complications, the elderly.  If I were over 60, I would not go anywhere without a mask nor venture out much at all for that matter.  Honestly, most of these people are retired so leaving their house outside of a grocery run is unnecessary anyway.   

We will see how this goes over in a couple of weeks.  I see people here locally still distancing without getting weird about it.  Mostly the people that aren't distancing while out are family members (restaurants, sidewalks, shopping) and they are already exposed to one another.  Strangers are still by and large trying keep some distance between themselves.  

Waiting for the data from the weekend to be updated.  I tend to think the spike was from the initial reopening of things coupled with Memorial Day folks eat up with cabin fever.  Add in increased testing availability along with 48 hour results, the case lode was inevitably going to increase. I suspect a plateau here shortly or even the start of a gradual downward trend.   

SC had a couple of days with higher than normal number of deaths.   Yesterday it went back to the prior levels.  That is the one statistic I am keeping a keen eye on.  We all know it's highly contagious, but how lethal is it really?   Another statistic that has slowly inched down is the percentage of deaths in younger people.  It was extremely low to begin with, but seemingly all deaths now are almost exclusively in older folks and the elderly.  

So in SC if you are 50 and younger, you have a 99% survival rate.   The median age of death is 76 years-old.  Positive tests are at 40% for the over 60 demographic, however, they make up 88% up all deaths.

Breaking it down even further, if you take the median death age of 76-years old and look at the 70+ demographic, they comprise a mere 13% of positive tests, but are 67% of all deaths (2/3).   

In short, folks need to be careful and if you are elderly, literally like your life depends on it.  

As the positive cases increase in SC, the death rate continues to slowly go down.  The daily number of deaths have increased slightly.   Hopefully that trend does't continue and is a momentary blip.

10 hours ago, stirs said:

I mentioned to "rave reviews" about 250 pages ago, that when the government said they would be paying for all expenses related to Covid, that there would be issues.

Most conspiracies don't have hidden cameras with people dressed up as nurses in what looks like a hospital with what looks like patients, so I might lean away from conspiracy.  Maybe the lady does not like pasta, so we discount all she says.

^ This.   I have seen some way out poo conspiracies, especially the once in a blue moon I take a peek in the dungeon otherwise known as the TB.  Basically people are going to believe what they want to.  Was it as widespread as this nurse claims?  Who knows?  But even if it was happening on a small scale, it's too much.  Perhaps it was limited to just this one hospital.  Still too much.  Possibly the hospital overall has good record and some greedy hospital administrators made these decisions and decent people were just following orders.  Still too much.  It amazes me how people's moral compass doesn't always point north depending on the narrative.

Just put it like this, HYPOTHETICALLY, if she made another video and says that she overheard the hospital administrator claim these orders came directly from the white house, these same skeptical people would all of a sudden swear by her story.

2 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

that youtube account also posts videos about the earth being flat so

Figured you wouldn't believe this.

...Jensen said, "Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it's a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they're Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000. But if it's COVID-19 pneumonia, then it's $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000."

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Eh....leans conspiracy theorish but it's hard to discount anything. NC had their rest homes get WRECKED with the CoronAIDS too.

I did see a couple of articles recently on how bad it had been at reat homes in general. Super susceptible population, crammed in and exposed to health workers that had high probability to come in contact with it. TBH, they are kind of breeding grounds for it.

I just updated my post, but yeah, I guess it's what you are willing to believe.  I see people in this forum bite on way worse "conspiracy theories" that this.  It plainly obvious why.

Anyway, I hope this is investigated and if this lady is some kook, so be it.   I think it won't be investigated because the rot goes all the way to the top of New York's corrupt politicians.  

17 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

What is the Cliff's Notes?

Hospitals in NY were intentionally killing people for money related to COVID-19, either to game the insurance system Medicaid/Medicare or Federal Coronavirus relief.  You don't have to watch the whole video to get the idea.

There have been rumors about this floating around for a while, but this brave young lady is the first whistle blower that I know of to go on record to expose this tragedy.  To this point, people have been dismissing the allegations as second-hand hearsay or rumors.

Even where I live I have heard, while not outright killing people, that medial staff are still coding deaths as COVID-19 even though they died of something else (i.e. heart attack) in order to get the Federal COVID-19 relief dollars.