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31 minutes ago, WestPanthers said:

And how about Daeshon Hall?

Dude did literally squat in college and Myles Garrett was the DE on the other side of the D-line.  Hall should have rarely seen a double team, if any at all.  Hall should have had nice stats with Garrett getting all the attention and that was a serious red flag for me.  Hurney?  "Let's move up in the draft for this guy"!!!!

I remember having to look Gaulden up as I usually only study the top 15-20 at each position.   I think the site I like the most had him rated around the 30th best safety.  Yes, another Hurney reach thinking he saw another diamond in the rough.  Whew, I'm so glad that dude is gone.  BTW, Hurney 2.0 was straight trash just as Hurney 1.0, although he happened not fug up the cap nearly as bad as the first time around.  I will give him that.

Darnold will surprise people if the offense can stay healthy and our OL can merely act like a fine sieve as opposed to a breached levee.  Let's not kid ourselves, this OL isn't going to be great, but even better than average would be welcomed.  Keeping Darnold upright and healthy will be key to any hope of success this year.

My take on Christensen is he may be our best option at LT this season.  I had my hopes for Sewell, but the Lions screwed that up.  Next draft we take the franchise LT.  Brady may surprise us, but I think he will at least be serviceable, more so than our other options.  Will he give up some pressures/sacks? Sure, especially early, but as long as he progresses and gives up fewer pressures/sacks as the season goes on, I would consider that a win for for him. 

Right now, I have him beating out Irving, Scott and Little for LT.  His OTAs and camp would have to be pretty unspectacular for me to change my mind on that.  He is a rookie, so you never know how they will do in their first camp.

58 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

With 17 games, it seems more likely that 9 or 10 games might not do the job.  

Exactly.  The AFC was hot last year and a 10 win Dolphins team was on the outside looking in and that was obviously still on a 16 game schedule.

3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I used to be 1 but now usually stick around 2 to 3. I am purely in wait and see mode right now. I want to like our draft, but I am also pretty skeptical of the repeated moves down. 

I think most in the 1 category just haven't been fans long. Probably a lot of post 2015 run bandwagon jumpers. The longer you watch this team(and I have been through every single year), the more jaded this franchise makes you.

^^^This.  Any success with this team is brief, but we usually make at lot of noise in those rare playoff seasons.  I'm still waiting for the back-to-back winning seasons.  This year could Rhule's first one here.  I'm not sure if we make the playoffs based on how other teams fare.  If the NFC has a down year, I think we get in, but if the NFC is hot this year, some 9 or even 10 win teams may not get in. 

6 hours ago, SBBlue said:

Wow, you're more optimistic than I am.  I am just hoping for 8, but I want to beat at least one  winning team.

It all hinges on the offense.  While it looks good on paper, that's just on paper.  They need to produce on the field.  In years we've had a good defense (this should be one of those years) as long as the offense puts up at least 24 points, it nearly always lead to victories.  I have a feeling that our defense will keep us in most games and it's on the offense not to screw up (turnovers) and find the end zone 3x a game.  If this team can just stick to that formula, 9-10 wins should be achievable.

*As part of the offensive output, Joey Slye needs to be clutch in 2021; better than his 80% clip last year.

14 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

What's your feeling now?

I'm thinking 9-10 wins and either just missing the playoffs or getting a last wildcard spot.  If we do sneak into the playoffs, we'll get bounced early.  FYI, I called 6 wins last year, which oddly enough was considered optimistic.

10 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

There are basically 3 groups of fans up in here. 1. The cockeyed optimist, or the "sunshine squad". 2. The wait and seers. 3. The doom and gloomers, or "Realists".

 

The 1s, and 2s can basically cohabitate. Whereas, the 3s tend to...play their music too loud.

 

Though we all want the Panthers to win. By some of the conversations, you would think that is not true. Just remember, it is supposed to be for entertainment. So enjoy it, and don't take it too cereal.

 

Just pick your battles, and never give up. Never surrender.

I historically exist about from 1.75-2.5 if you made this into a sliding scale.  Why?  I've been a Panthers fan WAAAAY too long to be solidly in group 1 and while not perennial playoff contenders, we aren't the doormats of the League either, so group 3 isn't for me.  I simply go off gut feeling about the prospect for the team leading into each season.  Usually I'm not too far off. 

11 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I am not sure how people can forget that fiasco. It was a hot topic here that entire offseason. 

Remember how badly his stock tanked after the combine too? It was rough.

I was here for that.  Question...do you know why the archives here are absent from 2017-2019?  I was going to prove a point to this dude (even though I shouldn't have to) but when I searched "draft" it goes back to the start of 2020 and then skips all the way back to 2016.  Very odd. 

24 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

This one says his disappointment in the  combine makes him a RT, not "DONT draft him in the second.   I can't find a grade at all.  It lists BOTH positives and negatives.  Sewel has already been moved to RT...does he suck?

 

Once again, no draft grade in your quote , which is the whole point of the discussion.  From the same site:

Surprisingly nimble on his deeper pass sets, showing desirable foot speed and cadence to drive off of the LOS and frame his blocks effectively. Covers a notable amount of ground to sustain outside integrity, shows trust in flipping hips late to run defenders past the QB.

Length/Extension -Length is evident and shows good extension, particularly when tested with speed around the edge.

More of a positional blocker that does well to establish body positioning and seal lanes. Can turn opponents out of gaps and create modest space....

Has good mobility with his feet and has enough spring to keep up around the edge track. ....

This is cherry picked from the same site above.  

Looking further in site they have multiple opinions but...

It does include 3rd round projection..so that at least support's your point.

So lets say this site was definitive and it was Greg Little 3rd rounder,  has he even shown more than UDFA Scott?  

And that's my point.  These sites disagree, fan-sites disagree, because

we can not predict the future with certainty.

Not just us, most teams have had UDFA as starters and high round busts.  Christiansen probably wont be Gross, but he won't be Little either.

Draft profile, draft grade, draft position is not definitive.    

 

 

 

 

Clearly you weren't around during the 2019 draft or the months leading up to it.  Greg Little leading into his junior year was a consensus first round prospect.  After that season, his question marks started to show up.  Then the college all-star game and combine happened as he slid to a late first round prospect.  As the draft grew closer, the general mood on him seemed to sour further to falling out of the first round altogether.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that a guy whose stock falls steadily leading up to the draft is a risky prospect and the reason the draft-niks on this board were less than thrilled when Marty MOVED UP to take a prospect that I'm 99% sure would have been there several picks later at our original draft spot.  It's one thing to draft a bust, but it's insult to injury to trade up for one.

-Greg Little, Mississippi: Looked like a pure RT running the 40 where he posted very pedestrian time of 5.33 with a slow 10-yard split of 1.84. Didn’t show much explosion in the vertical, but his short shuttle was okay.

OL 2019 Combne notes

Another disappointing assesment

Losers

These guys struggled on Friday, while also happening to all have significant concerns on their tape as well.

Greg Little, OT, Ole Miss

Owner of the second-worst 40 and the third-worst vertical jump, Little didn't impress in most of the drills he did do at the Combine, but it may have been the on-field workout where he looked the most concerning. He moves well on tape, but his movements are unorthodox and his footwork can look different on a rep-to-rep basis. I like Little as a developmental prospect that needs significant technical improvements, however understanding what he is right now as a player will be important for teams.

12 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

The entire league?

All we know is he wasn't chosen in the first round.  Most projections were 2nd round.  We took him top of the second, we don't know who would have taken him where.

When people complain about draft picks, they act like they know how a prospect will turn out...or what the "entire league" is thinking.    Someone might have drafted him before or after us...we don't know.

I showed you predraft profiles from legitimate sites.

Where are your profiles that say "DO NOT DRAFT GREG LITTLE!"

  

Why did he "fall" from the first round then?  While I wouldn't have been thrilled with him at our original slotted pick in the second round, the questionable part was moving up to get him.  That's what made a questionable pick even worse.

3 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

The entire league?

All we know is he wasn't chosen in the first round.  Most projections were 2nd round.  We took him top of the second, we don't know who would have taken him where.

When people complain about draft picks, they act like they know how a prospect will turn out...or what the "entire league" is thinking.    Someone might have drafted him before or after us...we don't know.

I showed you predraft profiles from legitimate sites.

Where are your profiles that say "DO NOT DRAFT GREG LITTLE!"

  

The onus is on you brother, not me.  I'm 100% on my recollection of Little in that draft.  Feel free to dig through my posts if you want. I'm not a draft expert, but I get a good amount of stuff right.  I admittedly get some wrong too.  Luke probably being the biggest one, not because any questions of ability, but because we had bigger needs than MLB in that draft, especially with already Beason here.

8 minutes ago, SBBlue said:

Non fan sites had Little graded at 2 and sometimes 1.

Who do you respect?

NFL.Com :WILL BE STARTER WITHIN FIRST TWO SEASONS

CBS: ;CBS Sports has Little as the No. 16 overall prospect and the No. 2 offensive lineman

PFN:Greg Little is a top offensive lineman in this draft and will be a top first round pick.

SI: First round

Walter Football:Player Comparison: Russell Okung

Many players were polarizing drafts, even Cam and Luke.

It wasn't just fans, and wasn't just the panthers high on Little.

Without looking at the individual links, I would assume all these rankings were written months before the draft.  I agree that by his junior year he was projected to be a future first rounder by many of the media types. However, his senior season was pedestrian, plus his combine and all-star game performances were lackluster.  Those pre-draft appearances are akin to a final job interview and he either didn't want to put the work in or his weaknesses got exposed.  Which ever one of those it was, possibly both, it caused the entire League to pump the breaks on him...except Marty Hurney.

28 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Those are fan sites though. Fan sites are always going to lean towards hyping our guys. 

Little was a pretty polarizing prospect.

For those of us that are draft nuts, we were the ones pitching a fit when we moved up for Little.  It was the casual fans here that couldn't understand what all the commotion was about, especially when they would Google Little and saw what his potential was SUPPOSED to be.  Key word being "supposed" because he basically plateaued in college after early success and then absolutely tanked in the pre-draft activities.  Needless to say, those of us that keep up with such things saw the red flags waiving vigorously and why we were not shocked to see Little's drop in the draft and likewise why we were absolutely baffled that Marty moved up to get him.

Direct TV sucks.  I ditched them about 8 years ago.  I had the BASIC package and they would go up $10 a year.  So over a period of time I was paying $180 a month just for their most vanilla package with ZERO premium channel upgrades.  I love how some companies reward loyal customers with continuous rate hikes just so they can lure in new customers with introductory offers.  I briefly tried U-verse before cutting the cable altogether and I couldn't be happier without a huge monthly cable/satellite bill!!!

I still say Hurney had little say in that draft.  It was too good and too close to what I actually wanted of  which NEVER had happen before.

2 minutes ago, Trainwreck said:

Tremble may be as a FB/HB. I think Thomas is safe right now with Arnold.

FB/HB can be split out wide in a single set or empty backfield.  I doubt we run many 'I' formations with a two in-line TE look.  We don't need to keep Thomas around for such rare occasions, if any.

Daley should be a lock as a backup as he can play guard and tackle on either side.

I mocked him a bunch to us, usually in the 6th round.  So yes, I would like to see this young man do well.  If he can learn to tackle better and hold on to those potential INTs, then he should stick around. 

Corners that don't tackle well irk me.   We already have Donte "shoe-strings" Jackson. Taylor Jr. needs to refine this skill set sooner rather than later.

I'm a throwback fan, so seeing a WR in a single digit jersey is not only weird, but slightly cringe worthy. I like to see WRs and TEs wearing 80's. 

It may just be me, but I think these guys want single digits so they stand out more because there are only nine of them.  Yes, diva comes to mind.

I was pretty sure Jones to the 49ers was a smoke screen.  Now, I wasn't sure if Fields or Lance was the target for a while, but when news "leaked" it was down to Jones and Lance, I was sure it was the later.

Jones made absolutely ZERO sense in Shanahan's system.

10 hours ago, MHS831 said:

How long are these supposed to last?

 

Mine and Basbear's bet is to the start of the regular season.  I've got this big-boy for another 3 months.

1 hour ago, BlackCats2013 said:

Where are your seats located and how many do you have? I have a friend looking for seats

See the post above.