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5 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

adding some muscle would help generate some more torque which would help with arm strength 

Both Murray and Tua bulked up after college, let's see if Bryce will take a page out of their books or will just rely on his brain power to get better.

2 minutes ago, csx said:

Where'd you get we want one over another? Both are confirmed to have visited. 

We brought him in, so there's interest.  I can think of several WRs I'd take before Legette.  Doubtful he's the best WR on the board at #33--or even #39 for that matter.

1 minute ago, CRA said:

Leggette is not a Mingo clone.  That's just calling a dude who is short Steve Smith.   They had different trajectories and peaks in college.  They weren't playing the same game in college at their college peaks. 

I don't want him over Ladd.  But he isn't Mingo coming out. 

He's raw like Mingo. Point being another physical specimen that needs a lot of refinement isn't what we need.  Again, we already have one of those.

Here's how I want the WRs.  We know at least 5 WRs will be draft before us.  Assuming Mitchell is the last 100% gone by #33, my ranking would then go:

1) Franklin

2) McConkey

3) Polk

4) Pearsall

5) Colman

6) McMillian

7) Legette

8 ) Corley

9) Burton

10) Wilson

23 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Nix isn’t going R1–just highly doubt it. Penix is a maybe.

And if that many WRs go, then Arnold or McKinstry could be available at CB, Chop at EDGE, Darius Rob, and a few  high level IOLs like Barton, King Sua, Morgan. 

I just hope we exhibit some patience and don’t force anything. Hated that feeling after Fitt’s selections.

Nix, maybe not a first rounder, but Penix, definitely.  Too many QB needy team in the first round just to be passing up quality QBs.  I can't see Denver and Raiders both passing up a QB.  Don't be surprised to see the Raiders move a few spots ahead of Denver--possibly the Vikings-- to get a QB.  The Vikings quite possibly may move up simply to fend off Denver and Vegas from leapfrogging them.  These teams aren't dumb, realizing all 3 are QB needy and picking sequentially 11,12,13.  A bit of a game of checkers will be happening I suspect.

On 4/1/2024 at 10:24 PM, Jackie Lee said:

Hm side by side again 

 

So we want Leggett who is a Mingo clone over McConkey whose production is in amongst Waddle, Olave, M. Brown, Smith-Njiba and Nacua?

Seems a very Panthery move.

23 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

I would pass on Nix but Penix would be hard to pass on.  

A couple weeks ago Penix looked like QB6 and then had a really, really solid Pro Day.  Somehow with McCarthy being a top 10 guy now, Penix is going to get scooped up by one of those QB needy teams just outside the top 10.  That's the reason I think it's pretty silly not to entertain the thought of taking Nix or moving back if he somehow slides from, say, pick 14 all the way to #33.   There's a wide gap between Nix and Rattler (who is universally regarded as QB7)-- or restated, the next best guy after the big 6.

On 4/5/2024 at 11:10 AM, MHS831 said:

3 weeks til we go on the clock.  As you all know, during these days of speculation and roster analysis, I tend to throw stuff out there--the things you don't talk about at parties, but you need me on that wall.  Where was I?....Oh, someone said something that I think could warrant discussion, especially amongst all you Bryce haters. 

• Point:  Canales said he was going to build an offense to play to Young's strengths.  He is true to his word--did it before.'
• Point:  The Panthers interviewed/met with Bo Nix at the Combine.
• Point:  Canales never said there would be no "Plan B," and he never said that they were "all in" on Bryce.
• Point:  The Broncos are interested.
• Point:  The QB crop does not look great for 2025.

NFL Network Description of Nix (6'2", 215):  Rare five-year starting quarterback whose play has matured in front of our eyes. Nix displays the accuracy, arm talent and athleticism consistent with today’s brand of pro quarterback. He can be punctual in getting the ball out at the top of his drop or he can work through progressions and beat defenses with second-reaction plays. He throws with good velocity and puts the ball on the money when throwing on the move. Nix has shown great improvement with his pocket poise. He’s capable of moving the sticks as a scrambler or as part of the running game. Some of his gaudy production has been driven by the Oregon offense’s design, but his talent clearly stands out. I’ve harbored bias from watching the overwhelmed version of Nix during his Auburn days, but as the saying goes, “tape don’t lie.” Nix appears more than ready to attack the league with an NFL-caliber skill set.

• Point:  The NFL Network claims that Nix has the skills to be a "plus starter" in this league.
• Point:  There are successful QBs who have benefited from lots of starting experience in college.  One played in Super Bowl.
• Point:  The NFL Network site compared Nix to Tony Romo.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/bo-nix/32004e49-5811-8212-6abe-fc1a8b4f4942

QUESTION: Would you pull the trigger at 33 and take a WR at 39?   I need the truth.  We will call drafting Nix a "code red."  Would you order the code red?

 

Would I? Absolutely.  Will it happen? No.  FYI, I pitched this idea many, many weeks ago and the resounding answer was no.  Then I asked if we don't want Nix, then should we trade back to a QB needy team?  Most people don't even want to trade back out of #33 even though we have a pick at #39 now.

Conclusion: We will stay at #33 and reach for a WR since it looks like a run on wideouts is fairly inevitable. Panthers clinic on how to fug up a draft 1.0.

13 minutes ago, Basbear said:

I maybe done, this one is dream land via trades..... I ran out of players I knew after 209 Johnson.

 

 

even after all that I still feel panthers have plenty of holes. Travis was not planned or targeted, just after those dumb trades I knew I had to at least pick a late upside QB. 

You do know we fired Fitterer, right?  We might have one trade this draft, likely zero.  We have a full compliment of 7 picks now, so plan on only 7 picks.

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

A big slow receiver that cannot catch in the 2nd round, hmm seems very pantherish

He could be had in the 3rd round.  He's not a top 40 prospect and just because a run on WR seems inevitable, that doesn't mean we reach.  Then again, we are talking about the Panthers.

On 4/5/2024 at 4:46 PM, ForJimmy said:

8 WRs and possibly 4 QBs.  Some player is going to drop to 33 that shouldn't be there.  We need to take advantage of that...

Up to 6 QBs. I don't see less than 5.  McCarthy has caught fire recently and Penix had a solid pro day where he's probably going ahead of Nix now.  The idea that somehow only 1 QB gets selected amongst Vikings, Broncos and Raiders...to a lesser extent Seahawks and Saints is undervaluing this top heavy QB class.  Despite the smoke out there, QBs will go 1,2,3 at the top of the draft.

16 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Wait, are you wanting us to draft a TE or not?  (Kidding) I do like this draft. I mean Bortolini could be starting sooner vs later from round 5.

Only if the value is right and not before round 5.  I really only like two dudes, Wiley and Holker.   The draft would have to fall perfectly up to that point for us to take one.  I'm not sure Wiley lasts until round 5 though.  Holker is older and has limited upside, but is a natural pass catcher (something that our current TEs sorely lack).  We'd have to use a fifth rounder on him because he won't be there when we draft in the 7th.

I like one of the 5ths for IOL.  Centers are slow movers in the draft.  We can get a decent one there.  I think only like 7 centers get drafted each year on average. So in round 5 we'd probably be looking at Center4/5.  That would be in the Limmer/Nugent/Bortolini grouping.

Remember, we gave him the option to explore a trade and there were no takers.  He's a #4 at best.  If he can't run a majority of the route tree and 'go' routes are his bread and butter, then we have a DJ Chark 2.0.  We keep him around this year as depth and let him walk in FA next offseason.  FWIW, there's actually about $1M in cap space if he's cut.  If the cap gets real tight and we land a good prospect in the draft, he may walk this year

On 3/28/2024 at 6:37 PM, *FreeFua* said:

WR 

C

TE

In that order but C is a massive need. 

If we draft a TE it's going to have to be a unique situation where our prioritized positions have already been addressed and the value at other positions aren't there.  One of the weakest TE drafts in recent memory and the Panthers may finally take a swing on one.  Spot on for this struggling franchise.  I've been beating this drum since the 2018 draft and NOW I'm saying it's cool if we skip TE this draft cycle because of how thin it is. 

I think we are in a good place to take BPA in the draft.  Definitely a top WR, Edge and CB early as they still need an upgrade. I would like to see a RB, Center and DE.  If we get a TE or OLB, I'd be cool with that too. 

1 minute ago, Jackie Lee said:

Minshew would have been perfect

He's too macho or something for Tepper.  Every time Minshew is a FA, the Panthers avoid him like the plague.

Wentz or Tannehill.  Are we keeping three QBs this year?   I still want a developmental type for camp and possibly the PS.

At least the fair catch went away.  That was stupid.  Honestly, it's a step towards the old KO, just the amount of open field to build up a full head of steam is taken away, thus less injuries.  I think this format will entice more returns.  That part I like.  Last year's KO's were so boring.

There's several rough groups.  Anyone saying it's just 'x' is delusional.  Of course this all can't be fixed in one year and saying we are even close is laughable.

I like the #141 and #240 pick, that's about it.

No sir, I don't like it. Of course SI is more/less defunct, correct?  I mean, how serious of content do they have now?  Not that SI has been relevant for a decade or more.

I've said this time and time again this offseason.  Bryce WILL BE better, but he's still not a franchise QB.  Both statements can be true at the same time.

Tepper's not quite as bad as Snyder was, but pretty darn close.