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4 minutes ago, Day1PanthersFan said:

None of that matters when your QB can't throw it more than 5 yards down the field

What excuses will you use this season ?

Since you want excuses anyway.....The other guys knew Bryce was never going to make it past 5"10' and they didnt give a damn they continued to grow , bunch of inconsiderate jerks! 

How do they think the super processor is supposed to work when he cant see over them!

Just now, Wolfcop said:

He was apparently supposed to be able to overcome being behind the 8 ball front he start. 

Thats what Tepper thought because he knows how to conduct himself over dinner. What a guy!

Just now, Day1PanthersFan said:

None of that matters when your QB can't throw it more than 5 yards down the field

What excuses will you use this season ?

It was sarcasm Bruh, learn to read the room lol. 

7 minutes ago, Day1PanthersFan said:

The 2023 Draft is going to be the center of discussion has long has the product of that trade is still our #1 QB

It's going to be hanging over us till we cut or trade him 

 

I doubt it ends there, suppose we draft another bust while Stroud goes on to have a great career. 

The only way it ends is with us finding a franchise QB or Stroud morphing into Vince Young post rookie season. 

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If you're not playing you can't be considered bad. Aaron Rodgers didn't play either.

I'm just saying I watch a LOT of NFL football and I can't recall anyone not named Jimmy Clausen who looked worse and I'm not just talking stats. I'm talking about judging talent. A guy can put up ugly stats and still show flashes of the prerequisite talent. That's what was disturbing about Clausen and Bryce. They just flat out didn't look like they had NFL QB talent.

You are forgetting the part where Bryce was thrown into the worst situation of all time with the worst OL of all time and WRs that shouldnt be allowed on a practice field. 

2 hours ago, bythenbrs said:

How can you not root for this young man?!

As a person it is incredibly hard to root against this guy even you are a fan of another team.

I feel like even if he busts he would still be very likable by our fans. 

55 minutes ago, TheBigKat said:

He doesn’t have the NFL size or arm strength and right now his processing has been bust

 

to me he is Danny Wuerfeul 2.0 but he’ll get 2 more seasons to sink or swim 

His elite trait is supposed to be processing the field but his short stature mitigates that because he cannot see the field on a regular basis. 

I am not sure how you mitigate this, you cant roll out of the pocket on every play or scramble into sacks like he did last season. 

26 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I wish because that woukd actually make sense. For any crew to come in and be like 'this is the year Thomas breaks out' seems to be a death flag for the people in charge and yet he just keeps staying around.

TBF, he is only here now because he agreed to take a pay cut that was presented to him early in the offseason. He may not make the the final roster. 

11 hours ago, lightsout said:

From my understanding the side judge is still there 

Again side judge + booth official 

Again, officials. This tech is only for spotting down and distance 

So we will still have plenty of time for shenanigans from the refs even with this new tech, seems kind of pointless except in very specific scenarios

How exactly does it work though? Do they still need someone to judge when the play is dead?

Guys can reach the ball out over the line but it has always been where they go down at for a first down, im not sure how this is going to be implemented in football.

Even for goal line purposes passing the ball negates the use of it because it wont be able to tell if the pass is caught or not, only whether it crossed the plane. 

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

I guess the question would be how much of an asset do you spend on another QB. If we have a top 5 pick and Young is still a question mark from being injured do you spend another top pick on another rookie or use that on another valuable asset? The more film we have a Young the better we can answer that question IMO. 

It all depends on who is available when we pick, but I dont see any way that you dont take a hard look at the QBs after one season of historically bad QB play and another season on IR. 

I dont know who could look at that and still say this is our unquestioned QB moving forward. 

Just now, SmokinwithWilly said:

Not really. Maybe it might finally wake this team up to the fact we should constantly be trying to develop a QB2 into a possible QB1. I've never understood the mentality of this is our number 1 guy and if he gets hurt the season is over. There should always be legitimate QB competition. Getting better should always be the focus. What harm is there in bringing in another guy who might be a better fit for the system? If BY gets hurt, stinks up the field, or just gets beat flat out in the QB race, being better prepared than a geriatric (NFL standars) red rocket is not a bad thing. 

I am not sure if that was an option considering what we have invested in the position. It is Bryce or bust for at least this season. 

I would prefer we had some real competition for Bryce considering his on field play from last season, but I am pretty sure Tepper was not ready for that and DD committed to building around Bryce for this season at the least. 

1 minute ago, CRA said:

yes, but how much improvement do you really get from Bryce Young....improving the areas that aren't his go to areas? 

Hell, if I had it my way, I'd move Johnson into a lot of slot work.  Not full time but I'd have to get other blood in there. He would get the ball.  Think keeping him happy is key to keeping him productive.  He wants the ball.   And if happy, he can do all Theilen does but better....outside of his hands.  Theilen does have him beat there. 

Well since Canales has said that Johnson will be the first read on most plays im sure he will play in the slot some. 

Just now, CRA said:

I'm not actually lobbying for Renfrow.  He was just an example of how different WRs are and how different roles carry different weight pending the QB/O. 

and I differ in how Thielen is viewed.  Slot WR is just too important for Bryce.  Theilen while a good overall WR, is too limited in the quick pass game and offers none of the upside Bryce really needs.  He struggles to get open quick and has almost no YAC threat.  A glorified sure handed TE at this stage.   Which Bryce needs but at the actual TE spot.    But yeah, if you throw at him 120 times he is good enough to have yards on the stat sheet.  Theilen did that last year.  

What you are saying about Theilen is true, however they opted to upgrade the other positions around Bryce instead of him because he was at least capable last season the other guys didnt even show that.

We still have Mingo as well who could play in the slot if he has developed any. 

Just now, travisura said:

The worst would be he gets hurt early in the season and we have to do all of this again next year.

And we dont have any real options on the roster because they are scared to give him any kind of competition. 

I definitely didnt mean that though. 

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

I agree. We should be able to more accurately evaluate our QB whatever that looks like. 

Hope for the best but expect the worst.....

Just now, CRA said:

clearly, I don't. 

Johnson and Renfrow have really nothing to do with each other.  Theilen and Renfrow don't really either. 

Yeah, an old Renfrow wouldn't need to see the field much. Heck, a young one is very dependent on the scheme/O.    Renfrow is 100% a niche role player in the NFL.  He is only going to fit and be of real use for a small handful of teams/QBs.  

You need the right role players around Bryce.  Take RB.  I beat the drum all last offseason that Hubbard/Sanders were a horrible duo last year to pair with him because they weren't natural pass catchers.  Which Bryce 100% needs.  You don't need CMC or do nothing lol.  Lots of SOLID niche 3rd down types.  We opted to bring in one of the worst in the game in that role in Sanders lol. 

 

That was last offseason and because of his contract we are stuck with him and the only thing we could really do was a draft a guy and we drafted one that is supposedly pretty good although coming off an injury. 

As for Renfrow I dont see a spot for him on our roster unless we are ditching Thielen who had the best chemistry with Bryce last season which would be a dumbass move. 

1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

You run that offense and no defense has to worry about the deep ball. It has to be a complete offense with elements he is comfortable with. JT and XL are capable of catching deep passes. Throw in some play action deep shots to them to prevent the defense from stacking the box and making it very crowded for a bunch of shifty route runners. 

At this point they arent world beaters by any means, but I think they are good enough to at least evaluate Bryce and better than what he had last season. 

I still think the results are going to be largely the same, but I think any average type QB could have some kind of success with them. Better than worst team in the league anyway. 

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

again, a creative quick pass O.  That prioritizes the weapons that excel in it.   No argument exists that you need the best positional players in the game to make that work. 

No argument is made he needs prime D. Adams.  Hell, Bryce probably would benefit more from Hunter Renfrow.   But you need the scheme/play calling.  

Rookie Bryce was given a predictable play-caller that doesn't run a scheme that fits Bryce, a slow slot WR, an early down RB, and whack TE play.   I said before the start of last season he was being setup to fail.  The league was going to sit on our pass game.  We didn't have the weapons for him to dish out to.  No one liked that then.  No one likes it now.   But it's the same thoughts and reasoning. 

 

 

Do you think all of our WRs should have the same skillset? 

We got Johnson who is supposed to be the shifty WR and probably has more upside than Renfrow. 

We also have Thielen who is basically an old Renfrow. 

Do we need more Renfrows on the roster? I dont really get the love for the dude, he has one season over 1k yards with 9 TDs and a bunch of meh seasons. Dude hasnt topped 400 yards in 2 seasons. 

1 hour ago, rayzor said:

keep on knocking is what i think it means. that comes from 54 years of not knowing any french. i took french for a semester in 7th grade and then signed back up for a second semester. the first day of class the teacher looked at me and said, "you really don't want to be in here.....do you?" I took the hint and left. i know when i'm not wanted. 

In the article it said that is what Aho translated Keep Pounding to in French. 

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

take a Cam Newton, he came into the NFL and basically we built a Cam-centric O around him.  Doesn't mean he would never sniff some "traditional play".   He did.   Exceptions are that.  And the minority.   It would be like giving Cam Newton as a rookie prime Wes Welker and saying Cam should be able to work with that in some quick hitter scheme ripping of Tom Brady. That's a bad marriage from the jump if that's what the coach asks.  That wasn't what Cam was going to be able to do coming in. 

IMO, Bryce was always going to need that.  Which for Bryce was going to be living in the gun in a creative quick pass O.....with strong rec RB, slot WR, and TE play.  Sure you need outside guys to keep stuff honest.    

I mean, I'm just exactly at the same place I was this time last year.  Bryce and the Panthers don't seem to be a great fit.   And I think that is largely the fault of the team that drafted him. 

 

What team would he be a good fit for? There are only so miami dolphins rosters to go around. 

Not like we can go out and grab Tyreek Hill, CMC, and Travis Kelce to make Bryce look like an average QB. He has to work with what we have and the majority of this is on Tepper for thinking a 5'9" 185 pound guy was going to come in and take the league by storm. 

52 minutes ago, KSpan said:

And that's a problem. What is the owner paying their football people for if not to be the most knowledgeable about football-related decisions/items in their organization? Guess it just depends on what their priority is.

Tepper's priority has been proving he is the smartest guy in the room by making dumb ass decisions that haven t worked out. He is the type of owner that wants all the good praise lapped on him and all the bad praise on his flunkies. 

He wants to be the main reason we win and so far that has resulted in a bunch or 5 wins or less seasons. 

47 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I'm not sure I 100% agree aside from he needs a lot of shotgun to get comfortable, but he is going to have to be able to line up under center as well.  Whether we use roll outs or deeper drops to adjust this for him is anyone's guess at this point.  

I kind of like that they are building an offensive roster that will fit 90% of QBs instead of going all in on creating a unique offense for a QB that we aren't 100% sold on at this point.  If we did create a special Bryce offense and he doesn't become the QB he was projected, we would be stuck with an unusual set of players on offense for a more traditional QB.  The route they are taking makes it easier to move on from Bryce if needed.  

Deeper drops from under center are not really an option, he is going to get sacked into oblivion. Then you guys will start blaming the OL.

All this should have been known when drafting the dude, but Tepper is a fuging moron.

He has to play the majority of his snaps in pistol/shotgun and there are times even in those formations where he cant see the field. 

Good for him , he is guaranteed at least a practice squad spot now with the IPP rules. 

14 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I wouldn’t judge Mingo or anyone in that offense last year too harshly. It was a cluster from the beginning…

Ready for the games to start so you guys can tell us which players we can judge this season.

As far as I can tell right now we are allowed to judge Icky and Corbett on offense and Horn on D, am I missing anyone?