Luciu5

Not my petition, just passing it along.

https://www.change.org/p/fire-panthers-espn-reporter-david-newton?source_location=psf_petitions

A shut out win is nice.

Keep pounding!

The internet lacks any nuance. BY actually played good I'd say 90% of his snaps. I went back and watched every play. The 10% that was bad though, was REALLY bad. I'm hard pressed to put blame on him for everything though, like the 2nd int and the time where XL ran the wrong route and it looked like he just sailed the pass. I think I counted 3 or 4 bad throws in the game which were on BY.

The fumble is 100% on him. That is like the exact same situation as in the Dallas game last year. Same with the first pick. He didn't see the safety, just like that Atlanta game.

There were many passing yards lost due to drops. The Renfrow throw (50/50 Bryce imo but Renfrow had his hands on the ball), Tmac drop, and XL not getting his feet down. Those were all chunk plays.

Bryce didn't play bad, just wasn't elite and when he made mistakes, they were colossal mistakes. Honestly, I think we should move on, I don't think he is IT, but too much blame for this game is going his way imo.

Every Canales press conference, if the name Coker came up, the word conditioning also came up. Also, idk if Coker just has that baby face, but his face has a chubbiness to it.

10 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

I'd be so curious if he gets picked up elsewhere. Still shocked Ian did

I was never shocked about Ian Thomas. He was a very good blocker. I think most fans couldn't see that. He's definitely a good vet minimum 3rd TE. He was just overpaid here for his skillset.

Panthers - "We extended our second best lineman!"

Huddle - "Why the fug would you do that?!?!??!?!?"

2 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Before I even clicked on the thread i already knew what this was...another film breakdown of "why it wasn't bryces fault". 

 

I'd love for you to do a film break down and do an alternative analysis. If you disagree with Icege's assessment, I think it would be good to have another view. I'd read your thread if you did that. I'd love for you to show us what you saw.

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

The trade up into the 1st still infuriates me. Height of fuging hubris.

We traded 1 spot so we have a 5th year option. 1 spot dude. Personally, I get the logic behind wanting the 5th year option on a WR. I don't think hubris has anything to do with it. And it's not like we gave up more than the equivalent of a 7th rounder to move 1 spot. Basically we got a 5th year option on XL for next to nothing. Really not that big of a deal.

I saw a Panthers/Browns preview from CBS. 10 min long youtube video....7 mins discussing the browns, 2:30 mins discussing Panthers, :30 outro.

This was an excellent watch. I can't believe I watched the whole thing.

For anyone in this thread mentioning Tepper, owners, or billionaires, they really have nothing to do with this. More guaranteed money doesn't mean the owners pay more. It just means, if they get cut we get dead cap and someone else gets paid less than they would have if we had the cap space.

I think the only way owners can truly save themselves money when it comes to players is either by keeping the team well below the cap, but I don't see any teams operating at the cap minimum.

Either that, or offset language if a player gets picked up by someone else. But even then, that just opens more cap to be spent on different players instead. 

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I wonder if the value in theory of those picks next year go up in value simply because of the qb influx that will be in the draft? I just hope this isnt another burns situation.

It can't be a Burns situation. Tmac is an unknown in the NFL. Burns had what, 4 years of NFL film at the time of the trade offer? Sure you can judge taking the trade or not with 20/20 hindsight. Which I'm sure you will if Tmac isn't all pro this year. I really doubt they turned down 3 first rounders based on the context of this video though. Feels like you are just priming yourself to poo on the team later in the year like you always do.

I agree with OP. 4 players on a second contract is a really, really good draft. nevermind all the other noise, that's it that's the bottom line for grading a draft imo. 2 starters+ is an above average draft in the NFL. Hate on it all you want, but them the facts. Go look it up.

That's odd. They are projecting BY to have 3 rushing TD's in 15 games (really?) and AD to have 0 for a total of 4 rushing TD's by QB's.

13 minutes ago, flagfootballcoach28 said:

I think this signing will say a lot about Wallace. If he can’t beat this guy out, then it’s time to officially move on from him after this season. 

What? Dude was a rookie last year and is 22. poo I'd keep him till his rookie contract runs out at least. 

2 hours ago, Basbear said:

I personally got to wait until this upcoming season is over.

Was not fan of 163millon to OG, they earned it and for one year it was the right move.

Besides Michael Jackson and Chirst, Im not liking this "panther tax" being paid to safety and Wharton, who?? 15million per that's who.

DL was a problem and he went out and attacked the league to solve it with backups, which they need top backups. 

Just got to allow his vision to play out and Ill say this Brandt Tilis is just as much a GM as Morgan.

 

Yeah contracts and dollars is probably 100% Brandt with little input from Dan.

2 minutes ago, countryboi said:

Most teams fail at the draft, it’s largely a crapshoot. For every team that drafts as well as the Rams last year, there are 29 others struggling to find even one rosterable players. A successful draft rate over five years is around 30%, meaning that hitting on just two out of seven picks would make you one of the most best GMs in the league. 

I think fans set their expectations too high for results that are pretty unlikely.

I have learned over the years, there are some incredibly stupid fans who probably spend most of their day drooling all over themselves and demanding juice boxes.

53 minutes ago, Growl said:

I mean the money they are throwing around is probably more indicative of a pass rusher, as well as their seeming lack of interest in any of the big names on what is otherwise a pretty big spending spree 

But it does kind of feel like TE is a real possibility. 

I don't know about in the 1st, but I think they could draft another in the mid rounds. Tremble's contract is short and we still need a 3rd TE on the roster.

35 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

LOL this is literally the most delusional post I've ever seen on a sports message board before.

There are only 4 QB's in the NFL that you'd trade Bryce Young for right now?!?!?!?!

Literally batshit crazy right there, absolutely utterly insane.  Hell, I'm even on record as saying I don't think Daniels will be a starting QB 5 years from now because of his style of play and I think he's going to get hurt, so I'd accept you not trading for him on that thought, but if you remove the injury concern, there is no possible reason for sticking with Bryce over him, none at all.

Even if you wanted to pick a few of those QB's you wouldn't trade him for, I'd accept that as an acceptable response, even if one I'd disagree with.  But if you called up any of the teams of the other QB's you listed as maybes or too early to tell and offered them a swap, they wouldn't even bother laughing at you before hanging up the phone.

Herbert just had 3,900 yards on 66% completion with 23 TDs, 3 INTs, another 300 yards and 2 TDs on the ground... but you wouldn't trade Bryce freaking Young for him because he had a bad playoff game?!?!?!

That alone is the most disqualifying statement possible for your judgement of players, just crazy.

And that's just touching on the other players, but then you say Bryce has looked "decent" over the last 10 games, which in itself, is more exaggeration based on his previous play than an accurate statement in a vacuum.  Over those 10 games he had 3 games over 225 yards passing and not a single game of 300, with only 3 games over 62% completion as well.

It's not like he was lighting it up, he was just playing serviceable game management QB play until the final game of the season.  If you want to talk about the hope of building on that, I can't fault you.  But if you want to use those 10 games to say you wouldn't trade him for anyone but FOUR other QB's in the league right now and you're just fooling yourself.

Cool story bro. Game manager had a lot of throws making peoples mouth drop. Idk you're the psychic so hard to argue there.

Maybe Bryce crashes back down next year or maybe he's even better. Idk but you do right?

1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

 

Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Burrow, Hurts, Herbert, Goff, Love, Daniels, Purdy, Murray, Dak, Maye, Nix, Lawrence, Baker, Tua, Stroud, and Caleb?

Right now today? Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Burrow

Maybe Hurts, (big) MAYBE Herbert esp. after that game.

That's it.

Caleb, Daniels, Maye, Nix, and Stroud are TBD. Bryce is honestly in this group as well but he's on our team now and those guys aren't. I'm not swapping one unknown for another today. I'm certain at least 1 of these guys will end up better than Bryce, but I can't say who that will be. I do not have clairvoyance like you.

Regarding Bryce being top 20 QB. IF he continues to play like he has in the last 10 games, then he is a top 15 QB already. I am hoping he will.

Look, Bryce is an odd duck. Biggest bust in draft history. Got sent to the bench and six weeks later he looks like another QB. He's posting 100+ passer ratings in multiple games. He's going TD for TD with Pat Mahomes. But then there's Dallas. 1 stinker in a string of games where he looked better than the last game, over and over again.

When we see him again, will he be Week 1 Bryce or Week 18 Bryce? Idk, but those just discounting his play over the last 10 games are probably being foolish. 36% of his career he's looked decent to amazing. This is a what have you done for me lately league and lately bryce young has been hot.

Nah, I'm not trading Bryce for anybody except those 4 today. Otherwise I'm sticking with Bryce to see if he continues to do what he's been doing and can he maintain this level play. That is my biggest question with Bryce. Can he keep playing like this and how often are we going to have a Dallas game with him?

Come back to me this time next year about those other guys. My opinion will be different then one way or another.

10 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

If you want to count that as Bryce being a top 20 QB, so be it, but he’s not going to be one over the next 5 year time period.

How prescient of you

I believe Bryce should be our starter next year. The problem now though is, which Bryce will he be? He has been the biggest draft bust in history and he has been a top half of the league QB. Will he revert back to early season 2 Bryce? Maybe. I don't think so, but who knows really.

20 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

Tell that to Andy Dalton. He was without Thielen and Coker, right? He had Johnson and Mingo after losing Thielen during the Raiders game. Did the play caller change?

Stop the excuses and pulling down the success of the receivers and the playcalling.

So, why is Young throwing more risky throws a game better than reading the defense post snap and making the correct decision? That gives the defense more opportunity to change the game.

Young's accuracy is good. His post snap pocket vision and decision making is not. That's why you don't want to be on the left side of that chart compared to the field. He will continue to cost the Panthers games against good and mediocre pass defenses if you want him to stay on the left side throwing more passes into tight windows.

We also know having Thielen and Coker is an improvement over Johnson and Mingo. So, I'd say Dalton would have moved further to the right if he had Thielen and Coker. Give Young Johnson/Mingo instead and you'd likely see Mac Jones type production with the Patriots having him high and left in that same chart.

You can't just hope Young plays the worst pass defenses like the Giants, Cardinals and Falcons for 17 games. Teams have and will make Young pay for what he did against the Cardinals and Falcons. There won't be an OT opportunity against those defenses. Young needs to get himself over to the right side of the chart with Jayden Daniels and Andy Dalton. The supporting cast excuses are not going to do that for him.

Bryce Young fuged your wife or something? Why you hate him so much?

I've always thought he took more hate than he deserved. Canales reminds me of Brady in some of his play design. The team was just as much of a mess then as it has been. I agree though that I think he is probably a better OC than HC.