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1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I wonder if the value in theory of those picks next year go up in value simply because of the qb influx that will be in the draft? I just hope this isnt another burns situation.

It can't be a Burns situation. Tmac is an unknown in the NFL. Burns had what, 4 years of NFL film at the time of the trade offer? Sure you can judge taking the trade or not with 20/20 hindsight. Which I'm sure you will if Tmac isn't all pro this year. I really doubt they turned down 3 first rounders based on the context of this video though. Feels like you are just priming yourself to poo on the team later in the year like you always do.

I agree with OP. 4 players on a second contract is a really, really good draft. nevermind all the other noise, that's it that's the bottom line for grading a draft imo. 2 starters+ is an above average draft in the NFL. Hate on it all you want, but them the facts. Go look it up.

That's odd. They are projecting BY to have 3 rushing TD's in 15 games (really?) and AD to have 0 for a total of 4 rushing TD's by QB's.

13 minutes ago, flagfootballcoach28 said:

I think this signing will say a lot about Wallace. If he can’t beat this guy out, then it’s time to officially move on from him after this season. 

What? Dude was a rookie last year and is 22. poo I'd keep him till his rookie contract runs out at least. 

2 hours ago, Basbear said:

I personally got to wait until this upcoming season is over.

Was not fan of 163millon to OG, they earned it and for one year it was the right move.

Besides Michael Jackson and Chirst, Im not liking this "panther tax" being paid to safety and Wharton, who?? 15million per that's who.

DL was a problem and he went out and attacked the league to solve it with backups, which they need top backups. 

Just got to allow his vision to play out and Ill say this Brandt Tilis is just as much a GM as Morgan.

 

Yeah contracts and dollars is probably 100% Brandt with little input from Dan.

2 minutes ago, countryboi said:

Most teams fail at the draft, it’s largely a crapshoot. For every team that drafts as well as the Rams last year, there are 29 others struggling to find even one rosterable players. A successful draft rate over five years is around 30%, meaning that hitting on just two out of seven picks would make you one of the most best GMs in the league. 

I think fans set their expectations too high for results that are pretty unlikely.

I have learned over the years, there are some incredibly stupid fans who probably spend most of their day drooling all over themselves and demanding juice boxes.

53 minutes ago, Growl said:

I mean the money they are throwing around is probably more indicative of a pass rusher, as well as their seeming lack of interest in any of the big names on what is otherwise a pretty big spending spree 

But it does kind of feel like TE is a real possibility. 

I don't know about in the 1st, but I think they could draft another in the mid rounds. Tremble's contract is short and we still need a 3rd TE on the roster.

35 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

LOL this is literally the most delusional post I've ever seen on a sports message board before.

There are only 4 QB's in the NFL that you'd trade Bryce Young for right now?!?!?!?!

Literally batshit crazy right there, absolutely utterly insane.  Hell, I'm even on record as saying I don't think Daniels will be a starting QB 5 years from now because of his style of play and I think he's going to get hurt, so I'd accept you not trading for him on that thought, but if you remove the injury concern, there is no possible reason for sticking with Bryce over him, none at all.

Even if you wanted to pick a few of those QB's you wouldn't trade him for, I'd accept that as an acceptable response, even if one I'd disagree with.  But if you called up any of the teams of the other QB's you listed as maybes or too early to tell and offered them a swap, they wouldn't even bother laughing at you before hanging up the phone.

Herbert just had 3,900 yards on 66% completion with 23 TDs, 3 INTs, another 300 yards and 2 TDs on the ground... but you wouldn't trade Bryce freaking Young for him because he had a bad playoff game?!?!?!

That alone is the most disqualifying statement possible for your judgement of players, just crazy.

And that's just touching on the other players, but then you say Bryce has looked "decent" over the last 10 games, which in itself, is more exaggeration based on his previous play than an accurate statement in a vacuum.  Over those 10 games he had 3 games over 225 yards passing and not a single game of 300, with only 3 games over 62% completion as well.

It's not like he was lighting it up, he was just playing serviceable game management QB play until the final game of the season.  If you want to talk about the hope of building on that, I can't fault you.  But if you want to use those 10 games to say you wouldn't trade him for anyone but FOUR other QB's in the league right now and you're just fooling yourself.

Cool story bro. Game manager had a lot of throws making peoples mouth drop. Idk you're the psychic so hard to argue there.

Maybe Bryce crashes back down next year or maybe he's even better. Idk but you do right?

1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

 

Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Burrow, Hurts, Herbert, Goff, Love, Daniels, Purdy, Murray, Dak, Maye, Nix, Lawrence, Baker, Tua, Stroud, and Caleb?

Right now today? Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Burrow

Maybe Hurts, (big) MAYBE Herbert esp. after that game.

That's it.

Caleb, Daniels, Maye, Nix, and Stroud are TBD. Bryce is honestly in this group as well but he's on our team now and those guys aren't. I'm not swapping one unknown for another today. I'm certain at least 1 of these guys will end up better than Bryce, but I can't say who that will be. I do not have clairvoyance like you.

Regarding Bryce being top 20 QB. IF he continues to play like he has in the last 10 games, then he is a top 15 QB already. I am hoping he will.

Look, Bryce is an odd duck. Biggest bust in draft history. Got sent to the bench and six weeks later he looks like another QB. He's posting 100+ passer ratings in multiple games. He's going TD for TD with Pat Mahomes. But then there's Dallas. 1 stinker in a string of games where he looked better than the last game, over and over again.

When we see him again, will he be Week 1 Bryce or Week 18 Bryce? Idk, but those just discounting his play over the last 10 games are probably being foolish. 36% of his career he's looked decent to amazing. This is a what have you done for me lately league and lately bryce young has been hot.

Nah, I'm not trading Bryce for anybody except those 4 today. Otherwise I'm sticking with Bryce to see if he continues to do what he's been doing and can he maintain this level play. That is my biggest question with Bryce. Can he keep playing like this and how often are we going to have a Dallas game with him?

Come back to me this time next year about those other guys. My opinion will be different then one way or another.

10 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

If you want to count that as Bryce being a top 20 QB, so be it, but he’s not going to be one over the next 5 year time period.

How prescient of you

I believe Bryce should be our starter next year. The problem now though is, which Bryce will he be? He has been the biggest draft bust in history and he has been a top half of the league QB. Will he revert back to early season 2 Bryce? Maybe. I don't think so, but who knows really.

20 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

Tell that to Andy Dalton. He was without Thielen and Coker, right? He had Johnson and Mingo after losing Thielen during the Raiders game. Did the play caller change?

Stop the excuses and pulling down the success of the receivers and the playcalling.

So, why is Young throwing more risky throws a game better than reading the defense post snap and making the correct decision? That gives the defense more opportunity to change the game.

Young's accuracy is good. His post snap pocket vision and decision making is not. That's why you don't want to be on the left side of that chart compared to the field. He will continue to cost the Panthers games against good and mediocre pass defenses if you want him to stay on the left side throwing more passes into tight windows.

We also know having Thielen and Coker is an improvement over Johnson and Mingo. So, I'd say Dalton would have moved further to the right if he had Thielen and Coker. Give Young Johnson/Mingo instead and you'd likely see Mac Jones type production with the Patriots having him high and left in that same chart.

You can't just hope Young plays the worst pass defenses like the Giants, Cardinals and Falcons for 17 games. Teams have and will make Young pay for what he did against the Cardinals and Falcons. There won't be an OT opportunity against those defenses. Young needs to get himself over to the right side of the chart with Jayden Daniels and Andy Dalton. The supporting cast excuses are not going to do that for him.

Bryce Young fuged your wife or something? Why you hate him so much?

I've always thought he took more hate than he deserved. Canales reminds me of Brady in some of his play design. The team was just as much of a mess then as it has been. I agree though that I think he is probably a better OC than HC.

What does "He is" even mean and how is it related to the Panthers? Is he replying to something and I can't see it cause I'm not logged into X?

21 hours ago, Krovvy said:

Several of those players were traded or released last off-season. Please don't waste my time with semantics.

You said Evero didn't want Burns, Luvu, Chinn, and Burns. I think that's bullshit and I think you are dumber than rocks for thinking this.

That's my point. Was trying to help you out by making it about the wording. But no you are just stupid to think he didn't want those guys.

I thought he couldn't throw an out route.

47 minutes ago, CRA said:

I would.  I mean he was flat out bad in 2 of the last 4.   He wasn’t good directly after the benching.  So it’s still a very cherry picked window defining him and that’s because inconsistent play (which he should be).  Bryce also is hovering around 60% which was good in the prior era, not this one….and was 2nd in the NFL in poor throw % behind Anthony Richardson.  

So we should celebrate his improvement and be glad we have a plan that makes sense for next year.   I’m just not agreeing with riding the wave as far as some.  We know how that works most of the time the NFL when the backing is actually there for some of the talk 

He was bad in the Dallas game. The bucs game was eh, but we didn't lose that game or get blown out because of Bryce Young. No turnovers, 2 TD's, 203 yds. Nothing to write home about stat wise, but bad?

I'm assuming you are talking about the bucs game as the other "bad" game from BY. If so, you are out of your damn mind dude. You saw a box score and are assuming or are just spewing poo because morons will believe you.

Just now, Krovvy said:

It's Evero's fault because his dumbass scheme doesn't allow linebackers to rush the passer as much as Luvu was capable of. Luvu made a career decision and went somewhere where he could rack up sacks, which pays the big bucks. Evero likes to blitz defensive backs.

Do you know what "pushed out" means? Maybe "ran off" might be a better way to put it. But saying "pushed out" implies he's straight up saying "I don't want those guys on my defense".

21 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

Several of those players he brought in, and a handful he pushed out.

We lost Luvu, Chinn, Jackson and Burns. We brought in several of his former players.

What do you mean pushed out? Luvu was offered a contract and he declined and went with a smaller dollar amount. How is that Evero's fault? Idk man, maybe you could say that for Chinn, maybe. It did seem he couldn't ever find a use for him. But even then, pushed out? Idk if that's the verbage I would use for any of those guys.

1 hour ago, CPantherKing said:

Are you telling me this is his one 5 TD game of his career & it's all downhill from here?

OR

He's a PB MVP QB who can CONSISTENTLY have 3+ TD games to carry his team to division championships & contend for the SB?

Eye test saids it's his career best game. They all have 1 or 2 of these career games. Will it take him another 30 starts to get his second? We'll be lucky as fans if he gets to the level of Steve Beuerlein or Ryan Fitzpatrick. That will make him an easy to acquire above average QB, but nothing worthy of what was given up to acquire an average to above average QB.

JFC dude. How many QBs have a career game every week? I mean, Bryce has had a few career games over the last stretch, though this one probably won't be surpassed by him in a bit. I mean if you are expecting 5 TDs from a QB to happen every other game or something, then no poo you are going to be disappointed.

I'm ready for next season. Lets gooo

4 hours ago, mav1234 said:

The source of that was posted just a few posts before yours. See https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-qb-index-week-18-2024-nfl-season

Well guess that's what I get for not catching up on the thread

https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/bryce-young-skyrockets-final-qb-rankings-week-18

I'll just leave this here. Someone has Young 11 in QB power rankings.

31 minutes ago, ProcessBlue2 said:

Somewhere I saw he alone was responsible for giving up 180 yards.