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20 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

This vaunted staff of “football guys” and “lifers” decided it was best to take the #1 overall draft pick, starting QB1 of a real football team, that makes millions of dollars, out of the game not ONCE, but TWICE to attempt a QB sneak?

results: a false start and then YOU DIDNT EVEN RUN THE fuging SNEAK!!!

I think they were both the same play. The false start f'd it up, so they ran it again later. Pretty sure it was a trick play. Pulled Bryce for the QB sneak, everybody in the stadium knows it's a sneak, but then it's not a sneak. Play doesn't work if you leave Bryce in. Andy Dalton was the sales pitch.

This offense is garbage

This does not affect our game tonight since the Steelers/Browns are on at 8 on ABC, correct?

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

People want to believe in Fitts so badly but I'm just not seeing a whole lot to hang that hat on right now.

That Greg Little trade though...

In all seriousness, it's so hard to judge one way or the other because you just don't know which players Rhule said, "get this guy here no matter what." We just don't know. Prior to this offseason, it's just too muddy from our persepective.

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Nothing really.  Because his draft picks are too young to judge.   Incomplete grade there.

so really all you can do is judge his free agents and contracts.  And he hasn’t been good there.   

Isn't Dan Morgan in charge of the pro scouting side of things? Fitt = draft. Morgan = FA?

4 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Now that I've beat up JT for some of his worst work, if you want to see some of his best watch his week one breakdown of Howell.

Now everyone knows I'm a Howell fanboy but this one came across really fair and unbiased and pointed out some good stuff - both good and bad - that's easy to miss just watching the game. He even caught himself a couple of times and admitted that some of his critique on certain plays was getting really nit picky.

Kinda wished you used something other than a Howell video for this post, because I can't tell if it's praise for JT for this video due to your biases.

(Not disagreeing about JT's biases though. He definitely gives guys more slack if he likes them.)

4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Oh it was IMMEDIATELY obvious. Makes me wonder if he has trashed him in previous videos? Might check some Minnesota stuff from him to see.

He has. In all videos this season, starting in preseason. He's done either 2 or 3 bryce young videos including preseason. Idk about Vikings last year. I pulled up one game and started watching it, but about 5 seconds in, I realized i didn't care enough to put the time into to research it.

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I like his breakdowns but he definitely carries a lot of bias. If it was a QB he already had a negative opinion about he would've skewered him for throwing late across the middle and just absolutely trashed him for making the same mistake twice in one game leading to INTs both times. Not to mention bashing him for missing Thielen wide open multiple times. That's still baffling to me. Thielen was getting wide open often, Bryce wasn't throwing him the ball, and JT bashes Thielen for this? Wild.

It wasnt the same mistake twice though. Was it the same route? Yes. Was it basically the same position on the field? Yes. But completely, entirely different circumstances. Both were mistakes, but they weren't the same mistake twice, unless you just mean "threw an int" broadly.

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Well he is barely an NFL player, TBQH.

He is a bust, plain and simple.

He has studied more film professionally than any person on this site. Bust or not, he has LOTS of experience watching and studying film. Far more than almost anything else you will find youtube.

Sail the high seas, arrrrggghhh

1. JT hate, Hates, HATES Adam Thielen. Anyone know why?

2. Seeing the all-22 from the 2nd interception makes it clear he wasn't staring down the receiver, if that wasn't obvious from the game film.

3. TMJ sucks. Is he just lazy? Was that 2 deep routes where he was "overthrown" because he didn't go full speed on his entire route?

4 hours ago, Untouchable said:

This looks like a bad read by Bryce. Sure looks like Cover 1 so TMJ is double teamed and not open. Staying on Mingo longer had a really good chance.

I agree. I've watched enough JT to know this is middle field closed. TMJ's route should have never even been looked at. Better yet, pre-snap TMJ should have been checked out of that route. Not sure who's job that would have been.

6 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

Shaq got a lot of flack for the 2nd Falcons TD , but this is no way his fault. He shoots the right gap and the play is all but shut down. It was a great job by Allgeir to stay on his feet and bounce to the outside. If we have to absolutely blame someone here, it would be Burns for not maintaining the outside. 

It looks like Burns gave up the edge to go for the tackle, trying to play hero. Shaq had the gap, Burns didn't need to give up the edge. Straight up, he didn't do his job. Honestly, he reacted too quick and opened up the outside.

4 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said:

I will say it's tough to say what read progression is on some that you mentioned were wide open, so there is a chance he didn't "Miss" them, they just were lower on the progression than the other throws., we don't know since we aren't in the meetings for the offense. 

I noticed this quite a bit as well. That said when the play break down and there is a receiver down field with the mailbox flag up, gotta see those.

If we clean up the turnovers, the defense looks like its good enough to keep us in games. We don't have the weapons to be a scoring powerhouse yet.

6 minutes ago, 96Bravo said:

1st panel: obvious choice is the TE and looks like he would have gotten some yardage. If you look closely at the edge of the frame, one of out WR is about to pass his defender.

Just a point here, count the defenders in the frame.

3 hours ago, Mage said:

Even on his INTs, I'd argue he was making the right reads or at least we can see what he saw, he just didn't account for Bates breaking on the ball as fast as he did.  Stuff like that improves with times.  There is a reason rookie QBs tend to throw picks early in their career.

In his presser, he was asked a couple times about the ints. He said the safety wasn't at the depth he expected. He later went further and said he read the coverage but, the safety did not have the depth he assumed he would be at. Bryce said it was different than the x's and o's and he should have actually checked before throwing. This sounds like a rookie problem. That's good.

I'm not ready to crown Bryce Young and I'm not ready to write him off. I expected to lose today. All the top 10 rookie QB's lost today.

2 hours ago, Mol3m4n said:

I specifically remember watching him stand around on 2 plays instead of rush. It's just hard to watch a motor like Hutchinson's and then see Burns.

That was play call. I don't know if he was supposed to drop into coverage or spy or designed delayed rush, but it definitely wasn't his choice to not immediately rush the passer.

4 minutes ago, thebdawg said:

Did we watch the same game? He threw 2 bad interceptions. He missed pretty bad on a couple deep shots that were open. And then down 14 with 4 minutes left checked down or threw away every single pass, didn’t even try to get in the end zone. I love Bryce and I really want him to be a great player but he didn’t pass many eye tests there.

First pick, safety came flying in from the other side of the field. Safety made a great play. The second pick was dumbfounding. As for his play the last 4 minutes, there is literally no point in throwing to receivers downfield if they are blanketed. I don't think anyone here can say if he was missing downfield targets that were open without the all-22. I don't think it's a good idea to try to force a miracle if it's not there.

Bryce setting the baseline low. Makes it easier to show week over week improvement. 3d chess

10 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

A trade could definitely happen. But I think Fitterers leash is longer than people think. 
Panthers are trying to fix what Rhule screwed up. So if next year has a bad draft/season Fitt could be on the hot seat. 

Fitts job is dependent on Bryce succeeding, not Burns contract. Good grief people are idiots.

3 minutes ago, Gerry Green said:

 

I'm not sure there is much the Panthers can do to bring back some of those gloom and doomers. Misery loves company and all that.

Yep. Unless we win by 30+, I fully expect some people to still find something to be down about. Of course the Burns contract might still be the big talking point for negative nancies.

Everything is in the contracts. It's a poo deal when there are no guaranteed monies, but a lot of fields have contracts like this. For example, I sign contracts everyday that says I dont' get paid if they dont' get paid. Cost of doing business.

That said, when there is guaranteed money involved, the team can terminate the contract, but with financial consequences. The player cannot "terminate" the contract, but they can stop working, and again there are financial consequences as well as a non-compete clause - they can't sign another contract in the NFL while still under contract. It is a two way street, just lopsided toward the employer (team), which is typical of employment contracts.

Nobody is forced to sign a contract. You can try to negotiate some of these clauses out that favor the team, but you won't. And you won't find another team to do so either in most cases. No trade clauses is an example of something (being traded) that favors the team that players have been able to successfully negotiate out of.

I feel like everybody in this thread is talking about a completely different topic than OP.

1 hour ago, Wundrbread33 said:

And if that doesn’t happen, that trade still looks hilarious that we basically gave the Pats two 3rds and a 4th for funzies. 

Wut? Am I missing something?

With claiming Matt Corral, the Patriots essentially gained 2 picks, our 3rd and our 4th for free. We didn't lose 3 picks in that trade, no matter which way you slice it. That's some head scratching math.