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58 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Some Huddlers call him average at best, but his trajectory has been going up.  Recognize the job this OL coaching crew did this year--they were not kissing footballs--they were improving young players--Zavala is probably a starting RG on another roster; Mays outplayed Corbett; and Ekwonu is in the top half of the league as a LT. 

This offensive line staff really did work. Crazy to think, being that in Tampa they didn't do too well in run blocking. 

21 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Not landing a safety in the first 3 rounds is going to be a hard fail for me just like no RB or WR later eould also be fails in this draft. Edge and FS look really bad without talent injections at this point.

I agree but I'm guessing they are keeping Julian Blackmon as a fallback option. Which isn't bad but  depends on how the picks go. We definitely  need a wr added too. Kind if wonder will they make a play for Kittle or  Andrew's, with both being rumored on the market too. 

15 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Undersized but I love him. I think he is a top 3-4 pass rusher in this class.

Same feeling  on him. His tape shows someone playing big,  like Walker. Actually  a lil taller too. 

Just now, kungfoodude said:

Prince we can probably trade into the late 1st and get.

Whats your opinion on the Boston College dude?

9 minutes ago, RumHam said:

An edge needs to fall to us. Not that DT from Michigan. Trade out to 12, take the Penn State TE. Bundle that second to move back up in the late first. 

 I like the logic and I would have my eyes on the Boston college edge or the ole miss one. 

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

That is a good point.  Dart, on some boards according to a few experts on NFL network is the #2.  I do not see it--I do not see Milroe as the #4.  Frankly, and I think most people are doing it,  if I had a qb need in 2025 I would patch the position as best I could with a vet and draft OL, TE, or WR.

Exactly!! This has shades of the Mac Jones draft all over!! A few teams desperate  and all it takes is a couple going early  and a couple teams desperate  for the next! Your logic makes sense, draft the board and go next draft but you know how some Gms n Coaches get. 

2 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

https://x.com/aaronwilson_nfl/status/1911446079347753229?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

I like this guy as much as I do Williams and not far off from walker

Another thing, if somebody trades ahead of us to get Sanders,  there is a possibility  of a panic run. Dart or Milroe chatter could make someone show their hand since it'd put a spotlight on the Saints taking the next qb available. 

7 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

Imo pick needs to be TMac or defense. But I wouldn’t be mad if they went with Warren 

I'm not against Tmac but I feel Golden  makes as much since in the offense we have. His game resembles Coker and Leggette to a degree. Golden gives us the quick twitch wr with yac that could find open spots for Bryce faster.  Even then, I would rather trade back a few and draft either. 

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, ultimately we need to avoid a bust and basically a role/rotational player at 8. Get someone who is going to contribute from day one and make a difference.

The best way to look at it!!  The best value for our team... the pick has to contribute!!

11 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

You guys whom are so desperate for another offensive player will make any argument to justify your stance. 

On offensive players whose value equals 10 too is QBs and elite left tackles. 

Otherwise, it's defense. 

I'm not mad either way they go honestly bc we not a complete team.  We could easily draft Vernon ghoslton all over and that value wouldn't mean a thing. We aren't in the position of wasting picks. Our pick needs to be a starter and with limited guess work of how he'd fit in. Evero, doesn't deserve the choice of wasting another player career. Chinn and Luvu could've did more damage. Hopefully  we hit the pick if it's Walker or Williams but we need production for our team... offense or defense. 

3 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

How? If you had a crystal ball and knew you would get Bowers production his rookie year he would have gone after Nabers 

 I feel you! Value is only determined by certain measures and for our team, a tight end holds value. Now if they really feel one of the other tight ends can do something,  ok but  6 of the last remaining teams in the playoffs, would've  struggled heavily without solid tight end play.  I'd rather have Jeremy Shockey  then Brian burns... in perspective.  I'd be happy with Warren bc you know you getting a starter. His game translates with minimal flaws. Remove Kelce from Kc and you probably  don't have a few of those rings either. 

5 hours ago, jb2288 said:

I really like Warren but saying he’s a WR is quite a stretch. He’s a really good blocking TE and is willing to do literally everything on the field. Finds soft spots in the zone very well but isn’t the receiving threat Bowers or Pitts was coming out. I’d be happy with him at 8 but don’t think we should be under any impression he solves our lack of talent at the WR position. 

100 receptions is nothing to sneeze at but I think the biggest thing is he makes the offense more unpredictable. He is a mismatch going out and you can't tip your hat on run or pass plays in 2 tight end or 1 tight end sets.  That being said, I don't think they will draft him unless the board shakes a certain way. It does really feel they are locked in on the Georgia boys. 

I'm going to go out on a limb and say they run it with Rattler. They committed to Carr, so we know they were already willing to tank for Manning. Could they go up for Sanders, of course. I still think they ride it out this year bc they are trying to get out if contracts and dead cap. 

9 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I lost it once a while back, but found it again about half an hour later.

As to Warren, don't know but I wouldn't rule anyone out based on visits. Plenty of teams (us included) draft players they might not have hosted.

Beyond that though, again it was just because you mentioned TEs. Wasn't making an argument on any particular point.

Yeah we have invested a bunch ot time with tight ends and it's clearly obvious they like Warren. I think they really wanted to dive into the others to see the gap personally and make a decision off that. If they feel Taylor or  1 of the other tight ends have  good upside as a 2 way tight end, they may go that route.  Warren is the only 1 right now that  shows he could be a starter bc he isn't a liability in run or pass.   They have options.  The same goes for edge. They are trying to see the gap between Walker etc and the next wave of rushers. The value may be too good to not go offense early and then go edge later if the drop aint bad. This is a true battle amongst defense n offense in the draft room and they are doing a mini process of elimination. 

9 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I lost it once a while back, but found it again about half an hour later.

As to Warren, don't know but I wouldn't rule anyone out based on visits. Plenty of teams (us included) draft players they might not have hosted.

Beyond that though, again it was just because you mentioned TEs. Wasn't making an argument on any particular point.

Yeah we have invested a bunch ot time with tight ends and it's clearly obvious they like Warren. I think they really wanted to dive into the others to see the gap personally and make a decision off that. If they feel Taylor or  1 of the other tight ends have  good upside as a 2 way tight end, they may go that route.  Warren is the only 1 right now that  shows he could be a starter bc he isn't a liability in run or pass.   They have options. 

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Draft gab from a couple local sources ponders whether the Steelers might try to trade up for Sheduer Sanders, and more specifically that they may try to trade with the Panthers. 

Not sure where this idea sprouted from or whether there's anything to it (minus corroborating discussion from Insiders, seems unlikely) but for the sake of discussion, here's what they're talking about...

 

I said this a week ago and someone said it's idiotic basically  bc they want Rodgers. Newsflash,  Rodgers is a 1 year bandaid at most and if he gets hurt, Pittsburgh  has nothing else  but just traded for Metcalf.  I still think Shedaur may go to the Giants tho. Feels its a battle in the front office on him. We will see but I'd gladly take that trade package lol

16 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I think this is correct.  I see Ward (Tenn), Carter/Hunter (Cleve), Carter/Hunter (Giants), Membou or Campbell (Pats), Graham or McMillan (Jax), Jeanty (Raiders), Jets (Membou/Campbell)

Of course, there will be a trade or two, but that is where i see it. two.five weeks out. 

I see Indy or Pittsburgh moving up for Sanders if he drops to 7.

Honestly, I couod see Pittsburgh  moving all the way to 3 to get Sanders. Their window is now and Tomlin  clock is ticking. Their roster doesn't have many holes, so picks shouldn't worry them.  Depends on the Giants mindset but they could bend them over and get future 1st since they don't have any 2nds. 

2 hours ago, Martin said:

His arm length and wingspan negates any concerns about his height. He is around 250 lbs, pretty much the same as Watt and other elite 3-4 rushers, so that is also not a major concern. Honestly, I don’t really see why he isn’t ranked higher overall. I’m a big fan.

I sometimes question why the mention height when most edge defenders are around 6'2.   Maybe it's bc he was a senior and then are nitpicking. 

27 minutes ago, MrBubba said:

If bringing him in for a in house thirty visit must be significant interest.  Not saying they take him at 8 but they must like him.  

His tape is as good as Grahams and he damn near unblockable. He hasn't been an issue on the field much but did have something goin on with Kiffin, so vetting what's going on off the field is going on hard. I could see him as a trade back pick if they feel he checks out. I know with Derrick brown in place, he wouldn't be in line to cut up. We will see. 

We met with him at the senior bowl too... there is interest but no telling the severity.  I'd assume if he slid to rd 3 or maybe round 2 if they feel the defensive guys could guide him like the Boys on the eagles defense did with Carter etc. 

Jax is going Tet or oline... they have invested a ton of time on Tet and want to pair him with Thomas Jr. Somebody is gonna drop and I'm thinking it's Carter more n more. 3 is going to be Sanders... rather it's the giants or somebody going up to 3  or 4 to get him.  Jeanty is a raider. 

7 minutes ago, OnlyPantherFaninMaine said:

1 - Tennessee: Ward

2 - Cleveland: Travis Hunter with the intent of selecting their WR1 of the future

3 - NYG: Shedeur staring them in the face, as is Carter. But NYG already paying Burns a boatload of cash, have Thibodeaux, and another stud on the defensive line in Dexter Lawrence. Schoen feels #3 is too rich for Shedeur. 

Joe Schoen and Dan Morgan are close. Schoen was on staff in Carolina when Morgan was drafted in Carolina. They worked together under Beane in Buffalo. They remain good friends to this day and still vacation together if I am not mistaken.

You alright with Morgan calling up his buddy to inquire on the price tag to move from 8 to 3 to select the best defensive player in the draft at a position we desperately need? What would you give up? 

Seeing rumblings that CLE could love Hunter. The Giants have signed Russ and Jameis so are no longer desperate at QB, but moving to 8 gives them more options to navigate the draft. 
 

 I have a hard time seeing Cleveland not go qb but if the giants wouldn't rip the Panthers,  I'm sure it'd be talked about but I think they'd  at least want our 2nd and that's too rich for us rn. I wouldn't mind Carter but I think the possibility  is easier if he drops to 5. 

Yeah Williams isn't horrible  but I feel if you replaced him with some of the other 2nd round prospects at Georgia, the production would've been the same. I dont see much a difference  in getting him at 8 vs the other prospects later. 

2 minutes ago, TD alt said:

Yeah, Warren "does more than Pitts," which is important, but the most profound difference--that should be at least stated---is that Warren is a dawg and Pitts is not. That's super important when making that comparison.

Demeanor and lauded as a leader too!! Pitts was a 1 trick pony coming out with upside. Watching Warren  launch himself over piles to score a td run, is the grit we need. Reminded me of Tolbert , Stew or Cam fighting for 1 yard often. I get the not wanting a tight end early bc of others but he just plays angry and with passion.