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5 hours ago, Basbear said:

Bro they shouldn't have won those 2 games either. It took a couple 4th down conversions and 2 last second FGs. 

But they did win.

39 minutes ago, Buckeye Homer said:

Patrick Mahomes was tied for 20th in yards per pass completion.  

That isn't because he wasn't trying to push the ball downfield.  His receivers just sucked.

13 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

Interesting size comparison 

If you only look at measurables, Mingo and Legette might seem similar.  But when you actually look at them and watch them play, they aren't close to the same.  

And this is coming from someone who is skeptical about Legette, although ultimately I believe he will work out.  I've just always disagreed with the comparisons to Mingo.  

Mingo tests better than he plays/runs, whereas Legette plays/runs as well as he tests.  

As bad as things were with the Panthers last year, we still had 4 other games outside of the 2 we won that we came very close to winning.  Could throw the Falcons game in there too, it was tied going into the 4th.

I'm not really sure what to expect this year.  I don't think we'll make the playoffs.  However, we play in a very weak division where no team has a standout QB.  On paper, our OL should be good, and could be great if Ikem improves.  That alone could help mask a lot of problems on offense.  Should allow us to run the ball better.  Even if Bryce doesn't improve, the OL should at the very least give him more time to make the easy throws underneath and let a guy like Legette work his magic after the catch.

And I think this defense in a 2nd year with Evero should, at the very least, be in the top 16.  I'm expecting our run defense to be as good as it has been in years.

I think this team could push for 7-8 wins.  But it could also finish with 2 wins again.  That is just how the league works.  Jets offense was miserable last year, and yet they still won 7 games.  

We won't really get a good feel of it until after the preseason, and even then, who knows.

11 hours ago, RJK said:

I’d take a Chris gamble like career from here on out if it just means he stays healthy. No big plays given up, no big plays made. Just quietly solid for a decade 

He was so underrated.  Between 2009-2011 he was one of the best CBs in football.  It was such a bummer he got injured the next year and then retired.  EDIT: I forgot we released him actually, but I'd guess the Panthers and Gamble had already discussed his intentions.  Plus IIRC we needed to get under the cap and he had a big deal at the time.

https://www.derp/2011/5/23/2185316/chris-gamble-the-unfairly-critiqued-panther

This was from May 2011, showing his performance from 2010.  

There's a part of me that wants to believe he just went on a bad run of unlucky injuries.  He did play 13 games in 2022 before breaking his wrist and a hamstring injury can happen to just about anyone.

But when it happens 3 seasons in a row, it is hard to have faith that nothing won't come up again this year.

Hey guys, did you know Bryce Young sucks?

I think we need more discourse about it.  

13 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

Some of his footwork issues are definitely tied to his height/size however you want to say it. Mainly the hesitancy to step into the pocket when there's pressure, the bunny hopping which inevitably gets his feet parallel. The latter also affects his timing, when he does see an open guy he's not ready to throw so he either uses all arm or wastes time resetting his feet and the ball gets out late. 

That's the same issue that tall QBs with bad footwork have.  It isn't an issue of size.  You could argue his lack of size makes it harder for him to compensate for bad footwork (for example, Cam Newton, whose footwork was atrocious especially early in his career but he made up for it because he was a great athlete) and I would agree with that.  But the footwork itself isn't a size problem, in my opinion anyway

I'm still optimistic he can be a good QB.  And that if he does fail, I don't think size is the #1 reason why.  I'm not saying his small stature helps, but it isn't at the forefront of the issues he has a QB. 

One of the biggest improvements I would like to see is him being more decisive.  Not just as a passer but as a runner.  Maybe it was because he was shell-shocked by the midway point, but he took too long to make decisions such as when to escape from the pocket.  His footwork also needs to be worked on.  Neither of those are size issues.  Those are issues QBs of all sizes have.  

8 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, I think you actually got to put Minshew ahead of Bryce present day.  Hell, probably Winston too given the highs he can have 

Yes, Bryce bad.

1 hour ago, Jackie Lee said:

Hey he's got him above these guys. Although one could argue at least 3 of the 5 here could have won more games with our roster last year

 

Minshew isn't good but he's way better than Pickett.

Hey guys, did you know Bryce Young is bad?  

I'm biased obviously but I think I would take our roster over the Commanders and Giants.

We still suck though.

I can't tell if I under-appreciated Greg Olsen while he was here or just this team has been so garbage in the years since it makes me reminsence about every past Panthers great.  But yeah, definitely a reminder to really appreciate what you have when you have it.  

3 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

https://x.com/905kar/status/1788330402257805720?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA
 

That tweet is hella misleading.  He literally says like 20 seconds later, "obviously, I think moving forward, you want Bryce Young."

15 minutes ago, Shotgun said:

Notice those WRs you mention had quality QBs throwing them the ball.

Okay and?  Legette's career likely won't be with just one QB if Bryce doesn't improve.

On 5/1/2024 at 12:16 AM, MrBubba said:

Legette is a nice prospect, with lots of upside.  But this guy saying he is better than Harrison, Odunze, and Nabors, sorry but he's out of his ever loving mind.  

That's unfair.  It might be a different take, but it isn't like he's doing it with zero research.  He gives his reasons.  It would be different if he was saying something so boldly without backing up why he felt that way.

And you just never really know.  Great WRs come from every round nowadays.  Is it really that outrageous to think Legette could be the best one?  Just last year arguably the 2 best rookie WRs were Nacua (5th round) and pre-injury Dell (3rd round).  Amon-Ra went 4th and he'd be the best WR in his class if not for Chase.  

I was expecting more short jokes 

17 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

he's apparently already running on it. 

ACL isn't a big deal anymore, especially for a 20 year old. 

Yep. Gurley tore his ACL around the same time in college and was playing by Week 3 and looked dominant the rest of the season.

Not that I expect Brooks to come close to that kind of impact as a rookie.  But just giving an example that proves your point.  Unless there were any complications with the surgery or recovery process, we should expect him to be at around at least 70-80% by the first week.  It should help that he won't be expected to carry the full-load.  I see Hubbard/Sanders splitting the majority of the 1st, 2nd, and short-yardage touches for the first half of the season, but Brooks should be the best pass-catcher out of the backfield on day one.

He reminds me of a poor mans Todd Gurley, which is still pretty darn good.  He doesn't have Gurley's top-end track speed and Gurley had more of a stronger build to him, but their playstyles and strengths as RBs are about the same.

19 hours ago, Krovvy said:

I haven't heard someone talk like Xavier since I was a kid.

His accent is too good to be a bust.

This is what I'm thinking.  Some guys just have IT.  I'm starting to get a real good feeling about him.  

This dude sounds like he belongs here.  Please work out and be a stud for us!

34 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

I want at least 2 of these 4 picks to not be project players for the love of God 

Damn near player that falls to the 4th round and beyond is a project. That or they either have concerns about their character or medical.

I'm not the biggest fan of Legette, but I disagree with the Mingo comparisons.  On the field Legette looks like a much better athlete.  Don't care about testing results.

With that said I hate that he's already 23 with only one year of big time production.  But I get it at the same time.  The upside is there and Canales is an experienced WR coach.  If Legette is good, Canales should be the one to help show it.