Mage

I'm not the biggest fan of Legette, but I disagree with the Mingo comparisons. On the field Legette looks like a much better athlete. Don't care about testing results. With that said I hate that he's already 23 with only one year of big time production. But I get it at the same time. The upside is there and Canales is an experienced WR coach. If Legette is good, Canales should be the one to help show it.

This would be the worst time to change uniforms because demand for Panthers gear is low because we suck. Business wise, it would be smarter to wait until after we have at least one good season that makes fans happy and excited for the future. That is when they will be more likely to buy the new jerseys you are selling.

That has nothing to do with his willingness to move on. It is possible (although not proven) for him to have wanted Bryce while also being willing to move on from him if it doesn’t work out. You know who he also liked at one point? Frank Reich There is 0 reason to think that Tepper wouldn’t support a change in QB if it came down to it

Hopefully the Panthers don't just draft good players - they keep them, which is one of the biggest problems with this team. We only have 8 players (out of 29 picks) drafted between 2018-22 still on the team. Think about how many guys had long careers with us back in the day. Peppers, Gamble, Davis, Gross, Kasay, Hoover, DeAngelo, Stewart, Kalil, Wharton... I could go on and on. Now we're lucky if we get 5 years out of a player. I get some of that was due to Hurney being insanely loyal to home talent, which comes with its own issues. But it felt good to root for a team with players you have been supporting for years.

Yeah, I don't get this fan-created narrative that Tepper has or will have some super-attachment to Bryce and won't let the coaches move on. Say what you want about Tepper but all this team has done since he's become owner is move on. If Bryce shows no improvement, then I'm sure the first thing the team will do is explore options to move on.

Michael Penix becomes a HOFer in this scenario.

That seems like a light punishment to prevent tampering in the future, no? Like, if you really wanted a QB and the tampering was the difference between getting him vs not getting him, then would it really hurt to lose a few spots in the first round?

What? The first and second round are on different days. We have the first pick of the 2nd round. Panthers can trade the pick the day of the 2nd round before it officially starts. Teams will know who is available at #33 once Night One is over. If the Panthers plan on trading #33, then I think they will (and would be wise) to do it before night two of the draft starts. That way they can strategize with their new draft position or negotiate with more teams.

If the Panthers have any intentions of trading #33, I think it will happen before they get on the clock, not after. Same reason any deal for the #1 pick is usually before the draft. No reason to wait and it would be to the Panthers advantage to trade the pick ASAP, if that is their intention, so they can start building a strategy for whatever pick(s) they end up with. If the Panthers are on the clock at #33, then I think that means they will stick with it

He's beautiful.

The numbers won't reflect it, but Cam Newton was so damn good that year. We surrounded him with nothing but trash on offense, especially with Olsen hurt and Shula having no clue how to use McCaffrey. He led the team in rushing to boot.

Bryce Young

Are you suggesting we give a young player more time before deciding that he sucks?

I really think the Panthers should consider adding a RB in the draft. Maybe not with one of our 2nd round picks, but adding someone with more burst and receiving ability than what we have on the roster (Hubbard & Sanders) could do a lot for Bryce's development and Canales offense which had White finish with over 300 touches. And who knows, maybe we will get lucky and snag one of those late-round RBs who turns out to be a stud from day one.

So what, should the Panthers just give up rather than surrounding him with the best possible talent to see what they have in him? And even if Bryce continues to suck, wouldn't it be nice to already have good players here for if we have to transition to a new QB in 2025? I'm not even saying I want Williams but this logic doesn't make any sense. Maybe Bryce can't do anything with someone who can get downfield, but we won't know for sure unless we try and surround him with guys like that. And if he fails, then at least we have talent in place for the next QB.

This is disrespectful towards Mike. He's way better than DJ Chark. I don't neccessarily want him either due to the aforementioned health concerns. But he's definitely better than Chark.

I swear this team has a different safety every year. This would be a great pick-up though.

A win in week one. Outside of that, there is nothing that could happen this offseason that would make me "excited" about Panthers football. I've been burned too much.

Run defense should be much better next year... hopefully.

Yeah, Thielen wasn't good. His numbers were what they were because of sheer volume and playing all 17 games. I'm cool with bringing him back if we're going to pay him anyway. But he needs to be the #3 WR and really should be the 4th or 5th option (RB and/or TE) in the passing game at this stage

I'd rather wait and see if the Chargers end up releasing Joey Bosa or Khalil Mack. They have to do something today because they are over the cap. Bosa is a bit too injury prone for my liking, but Mack would be an amazing signing to help instill a new, tough culture.

The truth that very few people want to accept is that the defense wasn't good last year. It just wasn't more obvious because teams had no incentive to go all out and score against us. We were the least-thrown against defense in the NFL, and it ain't because we have lockdown corners. There is a reason why in the 4 games we scored 20+ points in, we gave up 37, 42, 42, and 33 points respectively. When teams wanted to score, they did.

Improving the OL helps the entire team. Even if Bryce doesn't work out, these are good moves for whoever the next QB after him is. I get the frustration with the team. I share it too. But feels like this conversation is too focused on Bryce, when in reality the Panthers also need to make sure the offense is in a good spot for if they need a new QB in 2025. Unless we want to run into the same problem next year where we need both OL pieces and a QB. It is better go ahead and invest in the OL now than trying to do it in the same offseason that you are also needing to commit assets to new QB. The reality is that investing in the OL was always going to be expensive, whether through the draft or in free agency, you are going to have to pay a high cost or get extremely lucky if you want a talented OL across the board.

So, watching them play, you think Nacua and Mingo are on the same level?