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I see the GLEAM in Bryce Young's eyes.  This is gonna be a special year.

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Even knowing that they %1000 were going to get XL at 33 they couldnt fuging stand it and had to move up.  poo like that just makes you scratch your head and wonder how much Tepper is involved

They did it for the 5th year option.  

8 minutes ago, frankw said:

When the Raiders and Jets don't even want you anymore you're toast.

Hope he's been saving.

I mean he had 1,000 yards and 8 TDs in 14 games.  Adams is still one hell of a WR.  Raiders traded him because Adams wanted to leave and Jets are cutting him because Adams doesn't want to be there and he's making way too much money for a team to take him on in a trade.

Holy crap, it is already time for the combine?!

I definitely didn't get misled by this title

8 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Hate to say it, but at some point these therapists are going to need nanny cams or demand cameras in the room. Not saying it's their fault at all, but you gotta protect yourself somehow. 

Because it would turn away customers, good and bad.  I don't plan on abusing any masseuses, but I would not want to be "privately" recorded while receiving a massage.  

I don't care what he does off the field.  I do wonder how healthy his eating habits are though.

10 minutes ago, DeSim said:

And Brian Thomas Jr was 3rd in the league in yards lol 

Insane. There is a very real scenario where one day soon the top 4 WRs will all be LSU guys.

How often do you see teams straight up release quality offensive tackles?  

He doesn't have much of an injury history and at only 30 years old could very well have 3-4 more good years left in him.  They will extend him.

2 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

You can literally put together a compilation of thielen running down field and throwing his hands up for the ball this seaon..but sure they don't get open.

That is one WR.  And Bryce made sure to get Thielen involved.  

13 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Top left quadrant is not where you want your QB. This means they're not seeing the open receivers and throwing blindly to a point that is double or triple covered. Threading the needle is not what you want a QB to do regularly at this level. It's high risk and low reward as it will hurt a receivers YAC and increase the chance of interceptions/tip drills. This was Mac Jones territory last year. You won't see Mahomes, Jackson, and Goff in that quadrant.

Or maybe, just maybe, we have receivers who can't get open?  

Bryce had a lot of problems.  He still has a lot of issues he needs to fix.

But even when I turned my back on him, one thing I've ALWAYS been consistent about is his size is NOT the issue people make it out to be.  His issues were issues I've seen 6'5ft guys have.  His lack of size stops him from being able to compensate for those issues like Cam Newton could, but they weren't size-related issues if that makes sense.  

I still need to see more out of him next season, but his size is the last thing on my mind.

41 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Even if we improve talent. Evero’s defenses have been known, even in Denver, to be horrible against the run. 

I have seen this said many times.  Where are people getting this?  He only has 3 years of being a DC.  The one year in Denver, they were 10th in rush yards allowed and 11th in YPC.  That is a solid run defense.

20 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

He has Hubbard, Thielen, Coker, J.Sanders and XL as his top 5 targets. 

Imagine saying this like you proved a point.

Imagine your young QB giving you his best performance before a long offseason and complaining about it lol

6 hours ago, csx said:

The qb, the offense, the role. 

He averaged 10 his last 2 years in Minnesota.  It is exactly representative of the WR he is currently.

6 hours ago, csx said:

Or to suggest a WR value is ypc only is weird.

Nobody is saying that.  But the guy I responded to tried suggesting Thielen was as explosive as Evans because of a one-game sample.  And my response was that over a much larger sample, we see the kind of player Thielen is.  And that is a possession receiver who gets relatively short gains.

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Hint....his ypc is above Tyreek Hill, Lamb, DeVonta Smith, Higgins, Dell

Again, we're comparing small sample sizes to large sample sizes.  Thielen has 54 targets this year.  Lamb has 152.  Smith has 89.  Higgins has 104.  Hill has 120.  Thielen almost certainly would not be maintaining a 13.3 YPC average if he was at 100+ targets, unless we're going to completely ignore the seasons before.

But again, to clarify, nobody is suggesting YPC is the be all, end all.  Thielen is a fine receiver.  But he's not being "held back".  

2 hours ago, 45catfan said:

So he averages a first down per catch?  Pretty solid.

Lol

On 12/30/2024 at 9:04 AM, 45catfan said:

Here's a head to head from yesterday. One is a future HOFer. Crazy that AT can't run after the catch, but has more yardage than Evans on fewer catches.  How does that math work?

 

You do realize Thielen barely averages 10 yards per catch over the last 4 years... right?  

And I wouldn't call Evans a YAC guy either, although certainly more capable of it than Thielen.

3 hours ago, Jackson113.2 said:

No good WR wants Scrappy Doo Bryce young throwing to them... we'll have to over pay for a mediocre one....

If Thielen can produce with Bryce, then I'm sure a legitimate #1 WR can as well.

50 minutes ago, countryboi said:

Using the Dallas game as an example, Canales abandoned the run before the game was even out of hand after a few poor drives and allowed their pass rushers to do what they do best. Even Micah Parsons mentioned this himself. Additionally, I don't know if I have ever seen Canales run the ball on a third and short.

Hubbard had only 4 fewer carries on 3rd and short than Derrick Henry did.  He had as many as Bijan Robinson and 2 fewer than Josh Jacobs.

Damn this roster is bad.

42 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Right but he doesn't change this behavior, regardless. He is a very suspect playcaller. I think a clever play designer, sure.

I respect your opinion, but I'm not sure I buy it.  Context matters, and I'm not sure that there is any statistical or visual evidence to support your claim that Canales wouldn't try to establish the run when we held a lead.  Besides the fact the team didn't play with a lead often.  

I can't find any numbers that would show our run % when we did have the lead, but Andy Dalton only had 27 pass attempts when we held a lead.  Bryce Young had 55.  So again we just weren't running a lot of plays in general with a lead, certainly not enough to come to the conclusion that Canales isn't willing to run the ball when we are in a position to do so.  Hell, in general, we are 32nd in plays ran.  It is why we are both 26th in rush attempts and 18th in pass attempts.  So it isn't like our run/pass split is that far off.

At the end of the day, as I made a list of in the last thread this came up in, you can have the intention of doing something but be unable to do it because of team limitations.  How can you be a top running team in attempts when you give up the most points in the NFL?  In Kyle Shanahan's first season with the 49ers, they were 22nd in rush attempts, but nobody would dare accuse Shanahan of not wanting to establish the run.  In Campbell's 1st season in Detroit, they were 21st.  They have become one of the most run heavy teams over the last 3 years.  Go down the list of teams who were last in points allowed and see how often they ran the ball.  Other than the ones with running QBs like Justin Fields, all of them were near the bottom in rush attempts.  

And don't get this twisted: I'm not trying to argue Canales is some great play-caller.  I agree his play-calling can be suspect.  But I think it is unfair to blame him for our lack of run attempts while ignoring the circumstances that would explain why we didn't run the ball even more.  Now if you want to blame him for those circumstances (bad defense, no RB2, horrible passing game), feel free as he is the HC and that is his responsibility. 

In my opinion, Canales suffers more from a lack of creativity, not an unwillingness to run the ball.

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yes but he does this when we are up on the scoreboard or down on the scoreboard.

I doubt the Panthers have held a lead for more than a total of 10 quarters this year.