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Gosh, maybe if you pass on 1st down, they might not be expecting it. I guess Frank has some grand plan that he has passed down to his OC.

Looks like Frank is back to calling the plays. PATHETIC.

So, this is what we get when Frank isn't calling plays? PATHETIC.

How many first round draft picks did the Panthers give up?

10 hours ago, top dawg said:

I mean, that's reasonable, but he looked like a helluva lot better passer in that game than he has in the NFL. I think that it may ultimately be due to his lack of processing on the pro level. 

To be honest, I haven't watched him enough to conclude lack of processing. I just thought his style screamed he wouldn't stay healthy. I felt the same way about Richardson. I don't feel that was about Young because what he does best is processing and he knows to not challenge anyone physically.

I knew when he got hurt against Clemson in the 2019 playoff game that his style of play would lead to a short NFL career.

So, no. He's fine in Chicago.

I would negotiate a buyout.

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Maye had said himself that it's no certainty that he enters the draft this year. Now with that said, I can say with knowledge that folks I know with legit contacts within the program fully expect him to enter the draft.

But seriously... how many QBs are gonna have to bust in Chicago for prospects to actively start avoiding ending up in Chicago? There's just too many at this point to blame it on poor talent evaluation. Out of sheer dumb luck they would've hit gold or at least silver or bronze by now.

I have some very close contacts also.

2 hours ago, Panthercougar68 said:

I would say crazy things too to avoid being selected by the Bears.

Which is why Maye could stay for one more season at UNC.

17 minutes ago, TheBigKat said:

Mr. Tepper,

 

I know your cohort reads this board to get a pulse on the fans. You’re the owner, the billionaire, you’re the real life Mike Prince.

 

 You can fix some major issues with this franchise and right a wrong by selling some of this franchise to Mark Richardson.

 

 Hear me out, Mark Richardson IS Carolina Panthers football, he was in many committees and was groomed to take over until the OG BIGCAT fired him.

 

 You need someone to navigate local politics for a practice facility

 

 You need someone local who’s going to help get that mega TepperTaj NFL stadium built

 

 You need someone who understands football with roots to the Carolinas.

 

 Own the majority, 90%, sell 10% to Mark and blend The Appaloosa Way with some Southern Comfort and let’s fix the wrongs in this franchise

Seriously? How about the fact that having Mark Richardson (the son) on board cost this franchise Bill Polian back in 1998, the single worst thing that ever happened to this organization. Had Polian become President at that time, the history of the Panthers would have been completely different.

Having sons involved in the Front Office rarely, if ever, works. See Rankin Smith, Robert Irsay, etc.

1 minute ago, UNCrules2187 said:

Per Rapsheet and others

https://x.com/tompelissero/status/1713957230314188899?s=46&t=TyPNsVcMFhB651jT1wRDxA

 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong here. I didn't watch every play yesterday. But...I saw the drives for first two touchdowns. Then, after the two touchdowns, it looked to me like the offense became pass happy...after driving the ball down the field running the ball.

Did I miss something? Did the offense get away from the run after those two drives?

42 minutes ago, countryboi said:

Just admit when you are wrong and move on. It’s a learning moment 

As I said, not true. Do you know who Ted Stepien is? Donald Sterling? 

You're clueless.

14 hours ago, countryboi said:

naw fam, most coaches aint going to turn down a head coaching job, no matter the reputation of the owner. its only 32 in the world and its possible you will never been this hot again. 

Not true. 

16 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I'm just wondering why Tepper, Fitterer and company ever thought that Reich was some type of offensive play calling guru. Fitterer and Morgan have seen enough football to know that Reich ain't the business. Someone had to lead Tepper down the wrong path. Simplistic schemes just aren't going to fool anybody in the modern NFL. 

Just a guess but...I'm guessing he went with Reich because none of the hot candidates would take the job. They knew to stay away from Tepper.  So, Tepper went with Plan B: Offensive Coach who would put together a great staff.

4 minutes ago, Varking said:

Swing and a miss. We agreed to just disagree and you’re still going. 

Actually, that was you who kept it going with the..."Agreeing to disagree trying to lay all the blame on one person."

I guess I misunderstood your post. 

13 hours ago, Varking said:

Agreeing to disagree trying to lay all the blame on one person. 

Yeah...one person. Happens all the time in pro sports. Daniel Snyder...Frank McCort...Donald Sterling.

I guess your worldview says that guys like Snyder, McCort, Sterling and Tepper are just snakebit. "It's the coach's fault!  "But, Daniel, you hired him." "That doesn't matter. It's his fault."

11 hours ago, Varking said:

I feel I’ve been very clear he’s part of the problem but he’s not THE problem. There is no one fall guy for what is going on here. If you’re looking to point a finger at just one person you are absolving far too many others of blame. 
 

I’m not being naive and just blaming Tepper, who I don’t like, for all the Panthers issues. You’ve watched Panthers game this year, how many guys would you say on the team have been a dawg and are showing that they are absolutely busting their ass regardless of the coaching staff? How many out there are looking like they are giving maximum effort and are having pride in what they are doing?

Theres like four guys on the team who have performed well. If they can, so can the others. How many coaches are doing a great job to push the right buttons to get the most out of these guys? 
 

Again, at some point the talent needs to take over. Bill B is one of the greatest coaches of all time and his team looks like bums this year. Some years it doesn’t work. Some years players don’t execute. Mac Jones looks like he’s regressed every year. Is that more on Bill or more on Mac? 
 

The Carolina Panthers in years past on -and short plays could tell you Cam was running the ball for the first down, the defense could know it, and it didn’t matter. He was going to outdo the defense and get the yard. 
 

Listen to a micd up. There are tons of time Ray Lewis or even Luke here diagnosed a play and shouted to the whole defense what it was before the snap and sometimes we stopped the play and sometimes the other team still got good progress. Knowing is important but execution is most important. 
 

I can’t blame Tepper because Horn is soft as hell and down every year so our secondary is always in a bind. I can’t blame Tepper that Miles Sanders hasn’t wanted to show up and ball out one single week this season. 
 

I can’t blame Tepper because the coaching staff hasn’t trusted Bryce to do much more than run screens. 
 

poo personnel on the field still beats good personnel on the field when it executes. That’s why it’s so rare for a team to go winless or go without any losses. 
 

Our execution on the football field this season has sucked. That’s not the fault of just one person. 

We can agree the disagree. There's no point in rehashing all the bad that has happened since he bought the team. Only to say the Panthers have the worst record in the NFL over the past 5 years. All the names change except one -- David Tepper. The buck stops right there.

1 hour ago, Varking said:

I don’t think Tepper is forcing certain free agent acquisitions , I don’t think Tepper is choosing who is in the game and who is in the bench, I don’t think Tepper is calling plays, and I don’t think Tepper is lining up and not executing. 
 

Im not a fan of Tepper at all and he certainly deserves some blame for the state of the organization but ultimately the product on the field is a result of the players and coaches. It’s sports. You can know exactly what the other team is doing but if they execute it better they still pick up the first down or score. 
 

Tepper isn’t out here throwing pick 6s or getting strip sacked from the QBs right hand side. Tepper isn’t coaching or calling plays to not throw the ball downfield. 
 

You can dislike Tepper, I do, but we absolutely should not use him as the scapegoat for what happens once kickoff begins. The coaches and players aren’t executing and making adjustments. Even the worse teams in football find a way to win games here and there. Because they executed that week and made adjustments throughout the game. 
 

Our coaching staff hasn’t lived up to the hype and almost all of our players are having down years. 

He hired the GM and coach. And he's not responsible?

16 minutes ago, Prowler2k18 said:

Tepper’s impatience and resulting desperation are the reasons we’re in this mess.  The dizzying quarterback carousel we’ve had to endure since he took over us sisterly on his shoulders and now what should be a promising young QB will potentially be ruined due to lack of talent and incompetence. I have a feeling this rapidly spiraling season is what it will have to take for him to learn the hard way - trust the people you hire to make football decisions and back off.

How about this: He purchased the team to 1) Be an NFL owner and 2) Be hands on in putting together a roster. Like, a real life fantasy team. "I'm involved. That's what I bought the team to do. Be hands on. What's the point of owning a team if I can't run the team?"

Sadly, in my opinion, that's what we've got. An owner who WANTS to be intimately involved. He wants to win, yes. But he wants to win his way. Which means he is involved in putting together the team.

Just a bad feeling here that he ain't backing off...no matter how much they lose. An attitude of: "If I'm not involved, why own the team?"

1 hour ago, frankw said:

Probably but sadly the internet has a lot of people who spend their team bootlicking. Just a few years ago if you said Tepper was a meddler you would be met with multiple replies telling you that you don't know what you're talking about.

I was very concerned the day they signed Bridgewater. I asked a friend: What are they doing? Why do you need to sign a QB in a rebuild?

March 2020 to March 2023. Bridgewater to Young. The same story every offseason. The names and faces change -- Hurney, Rhule, Fitt, Reich. But there's one name and face that doesn't change. 

Now there are two instead of one -- the wife is officially part of the Front Office.

This is and will continue to be a f------ disaster.

1 hour ago, Loyalty4Life said:

I like Tepper.

I think he has 2 things he goes by.  

1. You have to find your franchise QB.

2. He'll do everything he can to give the football people what they need or want and he's not afraid to put his money where his mouth is.

All this Tepper made the pick, Tepper dictated this or that is just speculation.  

Joe Brady wanted Teddy Bridgewater and when the Bucs came sniffing around we overpaid to make sure the new wonderkid OC had the guy he wanted.

Matt Rhule begs and pleaded for Sam Darnold.  We got Sam Darnold.  

Matt Rhule wanted Baker.  We got him Baker.

McAdodo wanted Matt Corral.  We traded up and got him Corral.

Half of a superstar staff all got together and went to the top 4 QB's workouts and pro days and the football people decided that Bryce Young was the best player.  There were zero people shocked when he went number one because outside of a week or so of rumors, overwhelmingly the vast majority of the football world agreed Bryce was the best prospect.

I think Tepper loves the team and being an owner and is very involved in the discussion but actually does fully allow his football people to makes decisions.

No matter what he does when it doesn't work, people look to place blame.  The worst thing the guy may have done since he's been the owner is allowing too many "football" people run the show.

To get Rhule he paid him like a top 10 coach with a 7 year deal and let him have roster control.  Rhule would have been the Giants coach had Tepper not backed up the Money truck.   Rapoport reported at the time it was down to Rhule or Josh McDaniels.  Tepper did decide on Rhule and it was a horrible mistake but this wasn't like some crazy Raiders 1st round draft pick out of nowhere.

After giving Rhule every chance to prove he could do something Tepper finally pulled the plug but during that time learned he needed a GM with experience and quality football people with NFL experience.  We had already added Fitterer who had worked with the Seahawks for 20 years and who worked with Dan Morgan, who we also added as assistant GM. Then, we built a coaching staff with multiple SB appearances, wins and experience.  The big reason that Reich ended up getting the job is his extensive ties with other coaches that allowed him to build this superstar staff.  The one thing we have up to our eyeballs is NFL football people contributing and making football decisions.

I fully concede that Tepper's big input was asking how are we going to get a franchise QB?  I agree with him in that if you don't have a franchise QB, it's really hard to do anything else.

Tepper sits down with all these football experts and asks what's the best path forward so we're a playoff team year in and year out.  They put together a plan with all these NFL stud coaches who have tons of experience.  They put together this plan.  Now, Tepper is going to give this giant barrel full of NFL football people ever chance to prove they know what they are doing and to see this plan through.

I like Tepper.

I like his patience to see if a well researched and thought out plan will succeed.

I like his money that he's not afraid to throw at resources to make this team better.

I like that he hates to lose and damn right if the super coaching staff I'm paying a bijillian dollars too goes 0-5 to start the season there are going to be some very F'N uncomfortable meetings after a loss.  

 

 

 

This poster is likely someone who works for the Panthers. David Tepper has the worst record in the NFL since he purchased the team. One and just one person is responsible for that.

9 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

(okay, one more thread)

The Panthers are in a bad state right now, with no clear or obvious path to a successful future. Unfortunately, as all too often happens in the corporate world, the person primarily in charge of helping us find that path is the single least qualified individual in the entire organization.

That's why my hope for the team to crawl out of its quagmire is one extremely important step...

David Tepper needs to completely abstain from any and all current and future football decisions.

That means hiring, that means firing, that means promoting, that means adjusting, that means reorganizing, that means deemphasizing, that means title changes, that means office assignments..all of it. I don't want to see a single decision made anywhere from the top of the food chain down to the newest scouting intern or the most lowly coaching assistant until someone genuinely qualified is put in charge of those choices.

Obviously, I have my thoughts about what should be done and others have theirs. We may or may not agree on the specifics, but I'd say the one thing upon which we can have damn near universal agreement is that David Tepper should not be making those calls, and it goes without saying (or ought to, at least) that neither should Nicole.

Bring in someone with a proven resumé of success, let them review the team from top to bottom and follow whatever recommendations they give. Tepper needs to take his hands completely off the reins and let them be given to that person before anything else happens.  

To be clear, we don't have to wait until the offseason to get this started either. Contractual situations might prevent the team from making an outside hire, but absolutely nothing (outside of his own ego) would prevent David Tepper from stepping back. That needs to happen right now and the correct decision maker can then be found as soon as its possible to bring them in.

My wish list for who needs to fill that role has long included one name, Kevin Colbert. If it winds up being someone else though, as long as they have an equally proven track record (FYI: that's a short list) I'll sign on. Don't care who gets hired, fired or whatever as long as someone I trust is doing it.

David Tepper is not that someone.

Bottom Line: Be it major changes, minor tweaks or a complete overhaul, I'll support it as long as the recommendation comes from a guy who knows what they're doing. 

Find that guy and let him get to work.

 "Nicole Tepper, the chief administrative officer of the team..."

Be it: Robert Irsay and his sons...Rankin Smith and his sons...Jerry Richardson and his sons...bringing in family to run the show rarely works.

He and his wife are going to make football decisions. Likely time to go back to following the Washington football organization. The "I want to win now" isn't going to work. Never has.

Trade the 2025 first round pick. Yeah, that'll work.

Just now, tukafan21 said:

Doubt the Bears would have agreed to that and I'm not even sure you can do those trades in the NFL like you can in the NBA.  I think if you could, we'd see them happen more often, and I don't think I've ever seen it done.  They can do it based on a player being traded and then how many snaps they play or how far your team makes it in the playoffs, but I've never seen an NFL pick traded with Top X protections like the NBA does.

Thanks. I've seen it done but I was mistaken in that I thought all professional leagues could do it.

1 hour ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Just curious why are you just remembering my quotes?

 

I'm just a man with an opinion. You don't have to take my word. I'm just giving my opinion.

 

 

The only reason i remember your QB comments is because you don't talk about Drake Maye being on the same level as Williams and Fields. Drake is 6-5...has a strong arm...has elite accuracy...and great feet. Does that mean he's a sure thing? No. No one is. I've just noticed you tend to leave him off the list.

As we've seen with Young, it matters A LOT who you have around you in college.