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18 minutes ago, Chad_Cota said:

Needs to be fired before he makes more trades. His resume traded our top two skill players in the last 4 years. Traded a 3rd for Henderson. Trades the FARM for a rookie QB… now wants to trade for a WR?!

Yeah, here we go. "Hey guys, let's trade our 2025 first for a QB. I'm sure we can still make the playoffs this year."

11 minutes ago, USDepartmentOfSavagery said:

Another Scotty fit special. 

No, he is definitely Rhule's guy. Someone pointed that out at the time.

5 minutes ago, WarPanthers89 said:

Tear everything down and start new. Trade all assets for picks and get ready for a reset….that’s the only hope we have. 

To be honest, I believe the reason the Panthers ended up with Frank Reich is because none on the "hot" prospects want to work for this organization. So, I don't believe starting new is ever going to be an option with this owner.

4 minutes ago, Chad_Cota said:

This is the worst team since Clausen era 

As I said week one after losing to Atlanta: This has 0-17 written all over it.

I have been watching football since 1964 and this could very well be the worst NFL team I have ever seen.

1 minute ago, PantherKyle said:

Frank. The two runs calls man. Garbage dude

I already can't stand this guy. 

4 hours ago, TheBigKat said:

We have to be real, he's the owner for the foreseeable future and won't recuse himself or sell. So here's my only solution, we need a team President. 

 

When Mr. Richardson fired his sons, he hired a team president. We need a Danny Morrison, someone who knows football, real estate, local politics to help navigate the franchise and report back to the Teppers. Someone who can really pick a GM, help negotiate leases, etc. This way Mr. Tepper gets all the face time he wants but has hired someone who actually knows what the heck they are doing

My opinion: We need "a Bill Polian" to be President to handle the football side. Hire a GM, coach, scouts, etc. Real estate, politics, etc. shouldn't be the job of the life-long football guy.

I'll continue to pound this drum: It doesn't matter as long as Tepper is CEO. 

He needs to hire a CEO/President who oversees the entire operation; a leader; a visionary; a FOOTBALL man. That person who then put together the plan and HE would hire the GM and then he and the GM would hire the coach.

First step, find a Bill Polian type to be your consultant to identify this Leader/Visionary. That person IS out there. You just need someone to help you find him. And when you find him, you make him an offer he can't refuse.

First name I have is: John Lynch, 49ers. Hire him as President/CEO. 

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Dude talked a BIG game about what all he was gonna do. 

Meanwhile, he tied those brass balls around our neck and tossed us into the deep end of the pool.

 

As I posted last week: I knew we were in trouble when the first thing he did was retain Marty Hurney. That told us that he had NO football contacts. And as we've seen now for five years, he doesn't. He and his wife are apparently making all the decisions on a GM and Coach.

Dave "Daniel Snyder, Ted Stepian, Robert Irsay, Donald Sterling" Tepper.

44 minutes ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

Don't get me wrong I have plenty of beef with him, but right now I'm not even too mad at him specifically?

The Rhule hire was a disaster. He knows, you know it. We all know it. But it's not like he doubled down and made the same mistake again. Instead of hiring an unknown, this time around he tried to play it safe by hiring a guy that had like 5 winning seasons in 6 years at his previous post. While being one of the most respected and universally loved coaches in the league. The complete inverse of Rhule. He showed a clear willingness to learn from his mistakes and hired who we thought would at least be a solid coach while surrounding said coach with an all star cast of assistants. We all loved these moves.

It's like a curse has been placed on the franchise because I'm at a loss for how and why things look so bad right now. This same group basically went 7-10 last year and now we clearly look like the leagues worst team except maybe the Bears. What happened? 

Like, if Tepper had gone from Rhule to some other unknown wildcard coach I'd be way more angry. But that's not what he did. I'm at a complete loss for what is happening right now and why it's happening.

He continues to make the same mistake over and over and over. That is: HE is the CEO of the organization. On Day 1, he needed to hire a "Bill Polian" to be CEO/President. A football man who would then hire the GM, Coach, Scouts, etc. I don't know who that person is. But if you gave me the consultant job, I can guarantee you I can do the research to find out who that person is. That Leader who is at the top of the food chain. Find that Leader and then make him an offer he can't refuse.

When he retained Marty Hurney and didn't clean house immediately, I knew we were in trouble. Why? Because it showed he didn't have his own football people.

As long as Tepper is CEO, this franchise is going nowhere. Even worse than before.

5 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Daniel Snyder had his hands all over Washington and repeatedly over ruled his football guys. He's actually the reason Burns is a Panther. The GM and coaches didn't want Haskins but that was who he wanted and he made that pick. They took Sweat, an edge rusher, with their second 1st rounder.

Agree 100%. The Panthers are now Washington. Since 2019, there is one common denominator in the Panther's never ending chase for that elusive QB. That is David Tepper. From Bridgewater to Darnold to Mayfield to Young. All Tepper.

His impatience has nearly destroyed this franchise. In 2020, just go with who you got and lose. Don't trade draft picks. Just lose. Just about everyone would have understood. Rebuild. Start from scratch. Reboot. 

And then...they signed Bridgewater. And some of us wondered: Why if this is a rebuild?

The Bridgewater signing was the first indication that this owner was never going to rebuild. Which has led to a complete Cluster ----.

I have NO DOUBT this franchise would be better off if I was running things. Why? Because I would get the ----out of the way and find a football guy to run things. Not simply a GM. But a President that oversees the entire operation. Bring in someone like Bill Poiian as a consultant in 2019 to put the pieces together...build a front office.

Find another hobby folks. This cluster ---- isn't going to get better.

Daniel Snyder clone.

9 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Can't believe we traded our only legit weapon on offense.smh

We honestly should have kept Moore and traded up to the #3 pick. We could have walked away with Stroud or AR and still have Moore.

 

Please Bryce Young don't let us regret this trade. It's not looking good so far.

It's gonna be even worse in April when Chicago has the first pick in the draft and drafts Williams or Maye.

3 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

I hate to break it to you… but scouts and GMs do not develop players…..

Gosh. I didn't know that. Seriously, you truly believe putting together a football team is ALL about "developing players." How long have you followed the sport? A year? 

I guess in your world you could go round up 5 or 6 guys at the rec center and then the coaches will "develop them." 

In your world, the work the scouts and GM do to find players is a waste of time.

2 hours ago, CRA said:

Fitt was offered a ransom for someone he wouldn’t do contract with…..

we could of done a lot with those draft picks 

"we could of done a lot with those draft picks."  Really? What? I now have zero confidence in the GM. He's proving to be worse than Hurney. Hurney hit home runs in the first round. This guy hits home runs in NO round. 

4 hours ago, CRA said:

Offense - Best

1. WR Adam Thielen: 80.7
2. RT Taylor Moton: 72.8
3. LT Ikem Ekwonu: 68.2
4. RB Chuba Hubbard: 66.8
5. WR Laviska Shenault Jr.: 64.4

Offense-Worst

15. RG Cade Mays: 49.2
16. TE Tommy Tremble: 49.0
17. RG Calvin Throckmorton: 48.9
18. TE Hayden Hurst: 40.9
19. LG Chandler Zavala: 27.4

Defense-Best

1. S Xavier Woods: 88.2
2. LB Frankie Luvu: 87.0
3. S Vonn Bell: 81.9
4. S Jeremy Chinn: 77.3
5. LB Kamu Grugier-Hill: 76.7

Defense -Worst

14. CB CJ Henderson: 59.4
15. OLB Brian Burns: 57.9
16. CB Troy Hill: 56.1
17. OLB Amaré Barno: 52.4
18. CB Donte Jackson: 49.0

Panthers PFF grades: Best and worst from Week 2 loss to Saints (usatoday.com)

Here is an example of why the GM should be released either now or after the season. Preferably now. 

Offensive lines are not built with first round draft picks. They are built by personnel people who know what they are doing. A fourth rounder here, a free agent there, a first rounder for your left tackle. Fitt has now had three years to get this right. He hasn't

Yes, it takes time to build a team at your SKILL positions. NOT at offensive line. OL development is done by someone who knows what they are doing. Scouts, Coaching and GM.

There is NO excuse, after three years, Bryce Young (or Stroud or whomever) should have had to walk in to this mess.

8 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Damn he has ZERO touch on deep passes.

NONE. And most of us saw that last March.

6 minutes ago, TheBigKat said:

Good news is we’ll have our first round pick when Shadeur and Arch are draft ready

would have been nice to have when Williams and Maye enter the draft in '24.

6 minutes ago, Panthers Fan 69 said:

Imagine going 0-17 and not getting the first draft pick….

They are looking at 1-16 or 2-15. And no 1st round pick. That should be it for the GM.

4 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I just didn't think he would look like he just couldn't play at this level. It's fuging stunning.

The worst part is that the things you expected him to excel at he has been the worst at. Reading the field, anticipating, decision making, accuracy.....literally all of this has been subpar.

Accuracy was not on the list. 

43 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

Trying to insinuate someone can’t read when your argument is the “experts” all unanimously made an arbitrary agreement on a class of college kids while stating a “quote” that you kind of maybe remember what they said may support your point (3 more inches and this guy would be Burrow but clearly he can’t be now).. well that just takes some kind of special hoop jumping skills I obviously am not familiar with yet 

Not familiar with? I'm not surprised. Yes, the general consensus in the winter and spring was there was not a "franchise" QB in the 2023 draft. You either 1) Didn't do ANY research then or 2) you choose to forget. So, please share where you saw that Young, Stroud and Richardson were future "franchise" QBs. I NEVER saw anyone say that. Each had serious question marks. That's all I'll say since you bring nothing to refute my point. 

15 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

Says the dude making stuff up 

As I said, you don't keep up. Please. Find the quote where someone said there was a Burrow, etc. in the 2023 draft. You won't find it. The evaluation of Young was he "would be" in that category if he were three inches taller. Richardson? Definitely not. Stroud. The evaluation of him was he couldn't improvise. Accurate passer stuck with his primary receiver. NONE of these guys were projected to be great, franchise QBs like Williams or Maye. As I said, keep up. You're just on here talking out your ***. My guess is you have no idea how to do a little research. What I just wrote was readily available last spring for anyone who can read.

2 hours ago, jb2288 said:

What the hell is this. What “experts” claimed that

You must have been asleep last winter and spring.

1 minute ago, Pantha-kun said:

This is reminencient of the 2010 offense. Its THAT bad. Holy fuging CHRIST ALMIGHTY FATHER Why did we not just keep the people and coaches we had last year and did a natural tank? 

This has 1-16 written all over it. Except, no first round pick. 

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

From the pre-draft process article about Young...

Old free agents didn't seem to be the vibe. Not after the Panthers and Reich had spent most of the last five years cycling through rentals. The obvious call was to draft one, but picking ninth, there's no guarantee. And while there were some good ones who might be available in 2024 in UNC's Maye and Southern Cal's Caleb Williams, that seemed a little far down the road.

Because as good as Young was, the Bears ended up with the first pick despite having a decent young quarterback in Justin Fields. Their pick might be available. Waiting until next year would be more of a roll of the dice.

So the Panthers turned their thoughts to the now, and how to make now work.

"We've not won a bunch of games in the last few years," Reich said. "So how many years can you go? Can you keep putting off this thing to take your shot and get your guy? And part of the calculus is, do we have enough capital to be patient for another year? And then naturally, as a coach, you know, you're always optimistic. I mean, we're at nine right now. I'm sure I'm not planning on being lower than that next year.

"I mean, everybody knows, you always have to be playing that game. You're not just in this draft; you have to be looking out a year or two. But you also have to factor in how full is the gas tank. Or do we need to fill up right now?"

"The fact was, we felt so strongly about the quarterback this year, right?" Fitterer said. "Like, even in our February meetings, where every scout had the same opinion on this guy. It never really changed. It just kind of held strong that way, right? That reinforced that we're doing the right thing."

Fitterer and the scouts thought a certain way in January. A new staff of coaches rolls in in February, and they initially think the same thing. The more they learned, the more sure they became.

They had conviction. 

"Like, even in our February meetings, where every scout had the same opinion on this guy."

Are these the same scouts who have been evaluating talent for the Panthers for the past 25 years? 

7 hours ago, CRA said:

Tepper himself has said those are the type decisions he will be involved in as the owner.  He isn't going to get involved in who the backup nickel corner is but will the franchise QB. 

and reports/rumors was their was a disagreement about QB.  Staff liked Stroud (who was also discussed to fit the Reich mold the most).  Tepper liked Young. 

Just an opinion but...it didn't really matter who liked who. The experts, for the most part, believed their weren't any franchise QBs in the 2023 draft. Tepper has been trying to find the magic QB since 2020 -- Bridgewater, then Darnold, then Mayfield, now Young. He has continually forced the issue instead of just being patient. Go 2-15, keep the draft picks and build a solid team over several drafts. 

Young, Stroud, Richardson -- none will be elite.