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5 hours ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Even God has people that doesn't like him.

You seem jealous of Cam.

13 hours ago, electro's horse said:

Best seasons for a defender in Panthers history.....

Kevin Greene in 1996 - all pro, complete force, his diving TD after a fumble recovery was the signature play of the young team. would eventually leave Carolina for san francisco for a year because they'd let him wrestle in the WCW. Came back and attacked a coach on the sideline but I'm sure he had some good reasons. 

Doug Evans 2001 - I'm serious. 8 picks, all in the first half of the season, no idea how he wasn't traded. 

Kris Jenkins 2002 - Jenkins has undiagnosed sleep apnea until after 2001. Once he got a CPAP he had two of the most dominant seasons for a DT....ever. Jenkins was obviously great in 2003, but in 2002 he just could not be stopped. Remember, Peppers missed 4 games in 2002 with a suspension, and was not what he would become. 

Julius Peppers 2004 - this was Peppers' best year. Morgan and Jenkins got hurt, Rucker was dealing with injuries, some of their depth guys were hurt...this was Peppers defense and it was his best performance. Once Fields got back in shape and gave him a little bit of support in the front seven, it was over. Panthers second half surge was due to a weak schedule, Contract Year Muhsin Muhammad, and Peppers just going super saiyan. 

Luke Kuechly - pick a season. He was the best player on the field (sorry cam, steve) the second he came into the league. For the record I hated that pick when they made it. 

Some hot takes

KK Short had some good productive years, but I always felt he was more a product of the system. He was paired next to Star who I always thought was the better player, and he also had Luke and Davis behind him. Remember, in his best seasons teams were scheming to stop the Panthers linebackers. Star filled his role perfectly and Short feasted. 

If we're talking about best all time seasons just by counting stats, then don't look who shares the single season sack record with Kevin Greene. Of course, 2013 was a stacked front seven. Johnson was (insanely overpaid to be) solid, Star and KK were in their first seasons, and Luke was ascending. Still, Hardy had a role, and if he had kept his head on straight there's no telling what he could have become. Of course, he's a woman beating sociopath who got out of shape during his 1.5 years out of football and just never got anything back. Stupid asshole with his colored contacts. Shout out to Fox playing him as a gunner on the return team his rookie year. Enjoy rabbit punching toe tags in MMA fights in Reno. 

Hot take here: Josh Norman was not that good in 2015. He had four interceptions in the first four weeks; two off Jameis, one off Bortles, and one that was admittedly amazing against Drew Brees. After that I think teams just sorta bought into the hype about him and decided to mostly stay away from him. Panthers defensive line was actually not that great in 2015, it's just that the safeties and linebackers were playing in a different dimension. Then all of a sudden the offense just went nuclear and the defense could do whatever it wanted. But he got beat at times during the regular season, notably in New Orleans, at Seattle, and obviously against the Giants. He also never came close to replicating that season; he never even made a pro bowl again. Now you can point out he ended up in Washington which fair but still, didn't sniff that kind of productive again. Another mark against him is how simple that system was to pick up. Courtland Finnegan like walked in off the street on a Friday and was starting on Sunday and did fine. So yeah, Norman was a flash in the pan, had like 1 good month ever, got paid way too much and Gettleman was right to let him walk. 

Finnegan was awful dude.

9 hours ago, MHS831 said:

How many WRs prospered in Carolina with Smitty as their mentor?

 

I'll wait over here.

How many prospered after?

Smitty should be the next head coach.

9 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

just sad for cam

 

 

Unrelated to the original topic.

On 12/8/2023 at 10:20 PM, DamnItJake! said:

Blah blah another Cam thread!! Jake did pretty good when comparing to Cam!! Jake didn’t choke in the Superbowl the kicker named Kasay decided to have a stroke and kick it out bounds!! Cam should have not been lazy and grabbed the fumble!! Regardless both costly plays… we should be proud of our franchise even though it’s ugly now!! Cuz our sister franchise the Jacksonville Jaguars haven’t been to the Superbowl and they came to the NFL the same year as us!! Also I was originally a Cowboys fan before we had a team.. and they haven’t won a Superbowl since!! Let that sink in.. I wish I still had my Aikman jersey for s&gs

People act like the fumble was a crucial play. The game was long gone before that point.

38 minutes ago, methodtoll said:

If you want to get technical, John Harbaugh was a Special Teams coach prior to getting the head coach... Still though, Tony Dungy is out of the league so not sure how he is even relevant in this conversation and Mike Tomlin's offenses are struggling and many are calling for his job.

This isn't the same league that it was 10-15 years ago, it's not built for defenses to bail out the offense. It's offensive driven league.

Wanted to quote stating that only Belichick and Carol are the only defensive coach to win since 2006.

9 hours ago, methodtoll said:

Seifert was a defensive HC, fyi. 

My problem with hiring a defensive minded HC is that we will get off to a hot start with a good offensive coordinator, and then that OC goes on to be a HC and our offense takes a nose dive.

By the way, the only two defensive minded HCs that have won a Superbowl since 06 has been Bill Belichick and Pete Carroll. 

Face facts, it's an offensive driven league and you really need a good offense to succeed. The right call was going offensive minded HC, we just need a younger coach to adapt to today's offensive style.

The only exception I could see us going defensive minded is if we get a DeMeco Ryans type and we could potentially already have that on our team with Evero.

John Harbaugh, Tony Dungy, Mike Tomlin were defensive coaches.

2 hours ago, Selltheteamtepper said:

I love Cam, the energy he brought to the team. But Cam only had 3 winning seasons in 11 years. We ran a vanilla offense for most of his time with us. He was never part of a top 10 offense bc he was limited as a QB, He was never a pin point accurate QB who could execute precision timing routes from a pocket. We leaned on our run game, and simple reads. He also wasn’t a player who would stick around after hours and grind tape, he had a life outside of football. Josh Allen never leaves the facility and runs Erhardt-Perkins, the most complex offense in the league, Same offense Brady and Manning ran. Cam would not be effective in that offense. This is coming from someone who has paid for his family to meet Cam before. Just very different QBs. 

Carolina had a top 10 offense 2011 and 2015.

4 hours ago, Selltheteamtepper said:

? We got to be honest, Cam played with heart and the fans will always love him but he did NOT have Josh Allen level arm talent or understanding of the game. He always had kind of a slow clunky delivery, and never improved on his progressions. We ran kind of a simple power run/single read system during Cams 3 good years. He had the best defense in the league and a top 5 line those years too, we were essentially the Eagles. Allen’s team is all old and slow. 

Allen has weapons galore.

2018

What the hell was that?

We’re hiring Charlie Weiss or someone similar.

Seifert over Rhule

Does it come with Brady? If not, meh.

I kinda agree.

Huddlers said they didn’t want the old family friendly way of doing things of the old Panthers. Y’all wanted somebody brutal. Well here ya go.

Opposite of Cam.

The funny thing is that people say Wilks is just another Rivera, a ground and pound outdated football coach, but with Wilks, we put up a lot of points on the board with garbage at qb.

Tepper’s analytics showed that Reich will be one of the league’s top coaches.

2 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Unfortunately, there is more the being a good coach than just being a leader of men. Sure helps, though.

Always excuses on why we didn’t give Wilks one more year.

I hope it’s because of poor coaching.

He is a boring quarterback zzzzz. I stopped watching after we made it 17-10. I checked the score an hour later and I thanked God I didn’t watch the rest.

We should have inquired about Lamar Jackson last offseason.