CanadianCat

Im not worried. We will turn this thing around. 

Im ok slapping the tag on him and seeing what happens. If we can trade him great, if not Im ok with him playing under the tag this upcoming season. 

Would way rather pay for Josh Allen at that price tho. 

I see us following the Jags strategy this offseason. 

57 minutes ago, d-dave said:

Bryce is defiantly safe for the 2024 season.  This season sucked in about a million different ways.  Honestly, waiting in line at the DMV would have probably be a more entertaining time than most of our games!

That being said, Bryce was the top QB last draft.  Regardless of how incredibly well Stroud has played this season, Young was the consensus.  Honestly, what needs to happen to see Bryce improve is a more unified system.  The idea of marrying McVay with Reich's spread was not great.  We need well designed plays that give QBs answers instead of forcing Young to figure it out.  That's what good offensive coaches do.

That's going to be the biggest challenge: how do we take the players we have under contract (OL is power run, WRs are big and or slow, QB is small, TE is an afterthought, and Chubba is the best RB on the roster), and make a system that works for them.  More than who has the fattest rolodex, I want the coach with the best plan for what we have offensively.  And I want a coach who can lead the team.

Great post. 

I think a good HC can turn this place around very quickly. Despite how terrible this year was we have good pieces in place. 

Next year will be fine. 

2 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

How is bryces value even remotely high? Maybe a late round pick lol

Bad 1st round QB's get traded for high picks all the time. His trade value is still a 1st rounder. But we are not trading him. 

Im into owners throwing drinks at opposing fans no matter what was said. 

I mean.. us beating the Bucks with BY and causing them to not get into the playoffs would give 'winning the superbowl', vibes at this point. 

Its easy to root for the underdog. 

1 hour ago, Cat Fanboy said:

I know - unpopular opinion - but I'll take Tepper over half of the other owners.

Why do people hate him?

• Being rich?
• Getting rid of loved players?
• Bad hiring choices?
• Throwing water on people?
• Meddles with real football people?

What did I miss...isn't that enough right?  Maybe I just see things different...heck I know I do. I still think Rhule got a bum deal so what do I know.

Being rich doesn't make you evil. Not that I would know but it seems that being rich gives you far less patience. Either way this has to be the worst reason for not liking him.

Helping/allowing/making GM's get rid of loved players....ok it SUCKS and it's a judgement call....but as much as I love CAM for example he was done when Watt (?) destroyed his shoulder. I can shrug and question the judgement but I'm not the one signing paychecks either.

Bad hires...yeah this is on him....but I think we have to give credit for him cutting his losses and owning his mistakes. Reich turned out to be wrong person for wrong time and he fixed his error. All we can do is fix our errors.  This doesn't make him a bad owner.

Throwing water...assaulting...bad judgement for sure. Do I hate him for it? I'll let the media crucify him....me? I LOVE the passion...hell yeah...damn right...talk crap right in my face and you roll the dice. All these fights we see in the stands? Thats people not letting opposing fans talk crap IMO - it ISN"T right and it DOESN"T excuse it...but I get it.  Tepper is my friggin hero now.

The 'meddles' is what kills me. Media LOVES this....and the sheep that read it follow it. If I was an owner you are DANGED right I am going to meddle...I'll call it be engaged in MY team...meddles...omg I still crack up every time I see someone saying this.  I would bet ALL of you guys - cause if there is ONE thing we all have in common is we are Panther fans! If you own the friggin team you are going to do what YOU want. Period. Would some of you listen to experts more?  Probably. I would....but it would be MY choice and Tepper has always echoed this.

So...yes...I know what awaits me.  Poo ahead. I really like our owner and I think we have great things ahead!

I actually dont disagree. 

Tepper has swung big but missed several times, but I appreciate that he has swung. 

People love revisionist history so I expect blow back for this but it was what it was at the time. 

2020 - I liked that he hired Rhule who was a sought after College coach known for building teams rather than being a OC or DC guy. He hired Joe Brady who was an up and coming OC in college. Then brought in Teddy who looked good before he got hurt. At the time these were good and thought through decisions. 

2021 - The team learned that Teddy was not the guy and saw another 1st round QB that was on a bad team that had top end potential in Darnold and traded for him. Maybe a bit too much but had Darnold played to his potential no one would have said anything. Draft wise, people keep pointing out we should have drafted Parsons but at the time the value of off the ball LB's was declining across the league and we had a need at CB. Horn was the best man to man corner in the draft. Our 2nd pick in Marshall was also widely regarded as a steal in the draft. Trading for Henderson was also a good trade IMO as he was the highest rated CB in his draft and played for one of the worst NFL HC's ever. Trading a 3 round pick for a top 5 drafted CB is good value. 

2022 - Team brings in Baker. Another big swing at a high potential QB without having to use top draft picks at that position. 

2023 - Tepper cleans house of the coaching staff and tell Fitt to get the best QB. We draft the top QB in the draft. The rest of the team, even the area's of strength regress significantly and we are where we are. 

All of that to say is that we have an owner that I can appreciate will make the moves to put us into better positions. UNFORTUNATLEY so far that moves have not worked out. But I would rather cheer for a team that swings and misses then one that never swings.

Because the opposite it true. When we had Newton the biggest complaint was that we had generational talent on the team but RR and Co. were never was aggressive enough to get the final pieces. How many seasons did we say we just needed a better oline? Basically all of them. But rather than address it we didnt make moves. We wasted one of the best rosters the NFL had ever seen by sitting on our hands. 

Tepper wont let that happen. If we keep swinging, we will hit one.. eventually. 

I 100% agree that a team president makes sense. 

Jackson might be one of the most under appreciated players on the team (taking that roll from Shaq). That guy is a good player.

I actually dont mind the firing. I think the right coach can change the direction pretty quickly, but we need the right team builder and as much as I would like to like Fitt, his record is not great. 

I dont mind the aggressiveness of Tepper taking swings at QB's (Teddy, Sam, Baker) QB's  or being aggressive at drafting one, I just wish we would see some success from those swings. 

This becomes a critical offseason to right the ship. 

In the draft Im going Al Davis and drafting by 40 times. 

If I were GM Im throwing big money in FA at vet oline players. I dont want to gamble on the line. I want proven guys immediately. 

56 minutes ago, Panthering said:

I was clamoring for him, but everyone on here couldn't see past his Saints tenure, now he's already got the Broncos running in year 1. Shame, don't think Tepper would want an alpha like him in the building anyways who would tell him to F off. Another whiff!  

I can tell your a new fan..............

1 minute ago, CPF4LIFE said:

This so funny coming from individuals who have done nothing but backtrack on Stroud narratives since the offseason. "Stroud is gonna struggle on that roster"

The irony is incredible.

EVERYWHERE in the news it was Young #1. 

How many places had CJ #1? And before you go say 'I had him number #1'... well then maybe all those people should be working in the league and not just posting to an online forum... 

You guys exhaust me. 

This is why I like the idea of John H. coaching our team. He has a proven track record and doesnt need to prove anything to anyone. One of the few potential candidates that has his own brass balls to match Tepper. 

3 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Wrong.

You guys love revisionist history. 

2 hours ago, frankw said:

Whew buddy there is a lot to unpack with this post.

You are mistaking your opinion with fact.

CJ Stroud displayed indisputable arm talent at OSU. Though his supporting cast was talented he clearly did indeed elevate his receivers in college and he is doing so in Houston. The talk of needing to adjust to the speed of the game was nonsense. He looks pretty damn good with the speed of the game. In fact the one who looks the worst in that area from the draft class is Bryce Young.

You do not know what CJ Stroud would look like here. I don't know either. But he is having one of the best rookie seasons ever and we passed on that. You can't revise history either pal.

Yeah CJ always was talked about having good arm talent. But that doesnt change what people said about it being concerning that he only had 1 good college game last year. 

Its fair to see how they are performing in the NFL and saying that CJ is better. But its not fair to forget all the concerns people had about him going into the draft. That was what the pick was based on - not the current NFL results. 

I can own it. I wanted Bryce. 

The ONLY knock on Bryce was his size and he proved he can play at his size. Outside of that he elevated players around him and played very well for consecutive seasons. 

CJ had way more question marks. Being that he didnt have a great final season out side of 1 game and that he would not adjust well to the speed of the NFL game give his all pro WR's he played with. 

These were the facts coming into the draft. Young was the #1 on basically every media board. Us drafting him was not a reach or a stretch. 

If we had CJ right now the results would be the same but the discussion would be that he doesnt know what NFL open looks like and can only play with all stars around him.

I hate that this board has turned into what is has. People here 100% forget or chose to revise history with what the draft talk was about. 

2 minutes ago, CanMan11 said:

This was always made up BS

Was it?... that sure was not what all the talk was about back then. 

Also Cam had not been playing well in the previous 2 seasons. 

People forget things fast here... 

Horn vs Surtain was a 1a / 1b argument which basically came down to style. Horn's injuries are unlucky. 

Even when it was the Horn draft, people here WOULD HAVE BEEN PISSED if we drafted a LB as the entire league was moving away from LB's being high draft picks. 

The 2022 LT discussion didnt include Cross at the top of the draft, it was Ickey vs Neal. 

I know a lot of people LOVE to rehash the draft as time goes on, but they need to remember the discussion at the time.

Just now, scpanther22 said:

Rhule getting rid of Cam in the first place was a dumb move

People forget that Cam wanted a new big contract and had not been playing well in the previous seasons. The common feeling here at the time was that he was not worth the money. 

People wanted him to play out the final year of his contract and he didnt want to. 

This is a dumb thread. 

13 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

GMs don't deal with schemes.

SOP in the NFL world is coaches tell GMs the sort of players they need to run their offense, defense, whatever.

The coaching staff didn't ask for any changes to the offensive line. They were pretty happy with the performance they saw last year.

I mean in Madden I can completely change schemes and it doesn't impact my players performance... maybe thats what they assumed.....