LinvilleGorge

1 minute ago, PootieNunu said:

You are only as good as your QB and right now teams have backups better than our #1 pick franchise QB. He can behave at dinner like no other though!

Exactly. I'd never argue our offensive pieces were good but I don't think they were nearly as atrocious as people make them out to be to make excuses for Bryce. What I saw was basically a bad NFL offense with a bad NFL OL and bad NFL WRs with a QB at the helm that looked like he lacked the prerequisite NFL talent. The end result was one of the worst overall offenses in modern NFL history.

11 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

You are forgetting the part where Bryce was thrown into the worst situation of all time with the worst OL of all time and WRs that shouldnt be allowed on a practice field. 

All the talk in the off-season was how much better we were going to be. That only changed when we sucked then suddenly the overall offense actually looked quite a bit better that one game that the mere mention of horribly triggers some people.

If you're not playing you can't be considered bad. Aaron Rodgers didn't play either.

I'm just saying I watch a LOT of NFL football and I can't recall anyone not named Jimmy Clausen who looked worse and I'm not just talking stats. I'm talking about judging talent. A guy can put up ugly stats and still show flashes of the prerequisite talent. That's what was disturbing about Clausen and Bryce. They just flat out didn't look like they had NFL QB talent.

4 minutes ago, SteveSmithTD89 said:

Brandon Weeden 

Josh Rosen 

Paxton Lynch 

Kenny Pickett

Trey Lance 

David Carr

Joey Harrington 

Patrick Ramsey 

Kyle Boler 

JP Losman 

Matt Leinart 

JaMarcus Russell 

Brady Quinn 

Josh Freemen 

EJ Manuel 

Jake Locker

Johnny Manziel 

Sam Darnold

Dwayne Haskins 

Zac Wilson 

Mac Jones 

 

Theres 20. That's just the first rounders. Open that up to the 2nd,3rd and 4th rounds the list gets tremendously larger.

Hopefully Bryce turns it around in a big way this year but I'm not expecting much. I'd imagine he ends up going down as another name on this list. 

Here's to hoping I'm wrong.

A lot of those guys barely played as rookies.

24 minutes ago, SteveSmithTD89 said:

That's such a hyperbolic statement too.

Bryce was straight ass cheeks for probably 93% of last season (and I'm probably being generous) but I could still give you a dozen QBs drafted in the first round since 2000 that were far, far worse than he was.

Hell, Pickles was a 2nd rounder, so if the threshold is any round then I honestly don't think BY even cracks the top 5 of *our* worst drafted QBs since 2000. 

Let's hear those dozen. Go for it.

I made it to "Jimmy Clausen and then Bryce Young as basically the worst rookie QBs since 2000..."

6 minutes ago, frankw said:

As much as I want to talk trash about the Bears. The trade and not selecting Stroud aside. It took an extremely rare Panthers punt return touchdown (thanks ISM) for us to even get in the end zone against them while they started Tyson Bagent and moved the ball better than us.

To know how poorly that franchise has been ran over the last 20 years and be considered an inferior team in almost every way in comparison (until proven otherwise this upcoming season) is.....rough.

Thanks Mr. Tepper.

Tyson Bagent honestly showed more promise than Bryce did in terms of raw talent. Yeah, he sucked but he showed as many flashes as Bryce did in far fewer snaps.

2 hours ago, SOJA said:

it is the only way people will stop talking about it. Then the narrative should be: "Chicago could have just drafted CJ stroud"

This is the part that hasn't sunk into Bears fans. They're celebrating their massive win already when they're still sitting there with a completely unproven rookie QB when they could've had Stroud too.

1 hour ago, Killah_Ray said:

Now you have a Title IX debacle…

There's no Title IX debacle to eliminating programs. 

3 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

The bears and the browns.  As many QBs they have drafted, they should be able able to field their own football league!

And up until Burrow the Bengals

24 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

The Bears have a long history of liking their divas.

Their history at QB is 

In our brief, largely bad history we've had two QBs who are better than any they've ever had 

8 hours ago, Panthercougar68 said:

It was Tyler Dunne reporting that Fields came in his first few years and refused to listen to coaching from staff or players, Nick Foles and Andy apparently tried working with him but it was a lost cause in their eyes.

Dunne is very reliable. This was stuff that happened years ago so hopefully Fields matured.

Yeah, that report kinda explained why the Bears may have decided to just move on from Fields. But I think they've probably drafted an even bigger diva.

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Ummm... they've been monetizing them for decades. Now they're just forced to actually pay the help.

Slightly off topic but this same type of thing should happen in the business world. Make me king for a day and one of the things I do is make unpaid internships illegal. It's just free labor and it's gatekeeping bullshit. The rich kid's family can afford to keep him up while he works his internship. The poor kid's can't.

56 minutes ago, Chaos said:

So what happens when the kid underwhelms relative to his compensation to play college football for Whatever State University?  Can they now be cut/fired, because they're employees more so than student athletes, or will the "their just kids, let them grow" narrative remain?  Business is business, can't have the cake and eat it too.

This was already the case. Athletic scholarships are year to year. If you're deemed to no longer he worth a scholarship it's just not renewed and you're out in your ass. A lot of folks don't realize that.

6 hours ago, PantherPhann89 said:

This is terrible for college athletes as a whole and I completly disagree that college athletes should've been receiving a portion  of the money they generate from the college they represent. 

I think he colleges, that were, making money from Names, Images and Likenesses should have been forced to use that money to decrease overall tuition cost to accomplish what the purpose of the institution, which is educating the people, instead they've all been linking their pockets and raising tuition every year. 

Now they're going to monetize these kids directly because they don't give a Fat Albert about them, but their development, not their mental health, Nothing!

Ummm... they've been monetizing them for decades. Now they're just forced to actually pay the help.

10 minutes ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

This guy comes to mind. Not sure if it adds up to more $$ but he was a big name and waste of money

 

 

Good call. He's gotta be watching Bryce with great interest realizing there's a chance he may not longer he the worst trade in Panthers history.

1 hour ago, Waldo said:

The way they have been acting makes me think they deserve that outcome. They should have celebrated the hell out of the free pick for sure but what they have done since the draft just looks like they learned nothing from their team history or what Carolina went through last year. 

I just wonder how long it takes them from enshrining him in Canton to calling him Ryan Leaf if he struggles early?

Is he more talented than Fields? I honestly don't think so and they couldn't make that work either.

1 minute ago, strato said:

Gee that sounds awful familiar.

There were a few people that were fully aboard the Bryce train but it honestly felt like a minority. 

4 hours ago, Waldo said:

Watching the Bears over hype him after historically bad QB play on that team has been fun, well that and crap coaching. It's like they learned nothing from last year even if the players are polar opposites. I don't see a Cam in him, he looks like what I feared Cam was coming out early in his draft process where Cam made me feel better as it went along and Williams made be doubt more. I still don't see how he ends up the best QB in his class. 

The funniest thing is that they could walk from him next year and just waste a bonus pick while still picking in the top 5 again.  

I gotta admit, it will be highly entertaining if he busts after watching Bears fans act like they have a HOF QB when he hasn't taken an NFL snap yet. You'd think fans if an organization with a long history of QB futility would be a little more cautious than that but "fan" is short for "fanatic" for a reason.

The drafting of Julius Peppers is what made me a Panthers fan.

59 minutes ago, CmC2k said:

This might be controversial but I hope they actually do start doing that. 

I mean, I hate it for the kids. That was one of the good things about college athletics. It nurtured a lot of Olympic sports, etc. by offering the carrot of a scholarship.

Honestly, they probably need to manage the non-revenue sports differently. Just leave them under the old system. The old system was designed when all college sports were non-revenue then football and men's basketball exploded. Basketball has tailed off but football has exploded even more.

27 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Now that we're paying athletes I think it's time to do away with the sham of student athlete for many. They're employees now. No need for minimum SAT scored or GPAs unless it's a legitimate scholarship. I think many are going to learn a very harsh lesson in the reality of business. 

Yeah, I mean the minimums were already BARE minimums.

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

The king of this is actually Brock Osweiler. 

The cost per down of his 4 year, $72 mil deal is INSANE 

I forgot that the Texans PAID him after he showed a little bit of promise on the field for the Broncos. And I mean a little bit. The guy threw for 10 TDs in 7 starts.

12 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I was about to say, if Ian Thomas is around none of our TE's has to prove anything.

Truth. I'm hard pressed to name a Panthers who has put more money in the bank for less performance on the field. Hell, I'm hard pressed to name another NFL player period. Maybe Sam Bradford?

The athletes should be getting a percentage of the revenue they generate for the schools IMO. Always should have.

But this is going to gut college athletics as we knew them. There's probably gonna be low tier schools that just drop athletics altogether. A LOT of schools are probably gonna start purging their non-revenue sports. It's a business now and they're gonna have to run the athletics department as such.