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No room to take two WR's IMO, with Mingo and ISM locked up for next year. We need the center, LB, CB, or edge more.

Thielen will be fine if we had two other receivers that drew coverage. He's a 3rd and 4th down chains mover at this point in his career

From Campbell:

" Some team sources said they think there could be more trade movement in this year’s draft compared to typical years. They shared they believe this movement could start in the middle of the first round, stretch into late in Round 1, and then continue throughout the second day of the 2024 NFL Draft. The reason for the expected fluidity is teams feeling there is a lack of talent on Day 3 of the draft thanks to the influence of NIL in college football and more players getting paid to stay in school. That has weakened the talent depth of the draft, leaving teams believing that third-day picks have less value. Some sources from playoff teams felt that there is a good chance that the players they would get on Day 3 of the 2024 NFL Draft would have a very hard time making their final 53-man roster, so rather than use the pick on a player who is likely to get cut, they could use the pick to move up in the early rounds. This year’s draft has the potential to be one with a lot of trades, starting on the opening night of the draft."

I've always been under the idea that 5-7th round picks are worthless and should be used to trade up. Especially for the Panthers UDFA's have the same or better impact than 5-7th round picks

I think this is postering to get AD Mitchell to fall and another team interested in Legette

But the Panthers have typically telegraphed their moves, shown over multiple front offices, so unless he goes earlier Legette is likely the pick

I don't think the centers last to 39, but several WR's will be there. Just makes too much sense to take one of the top centers at 33

Charlie has called the last 7 Panthers first round picks correct, including us taking Horn when almost no one else even considered that. Obviously 33 is a bit different because there are 32 picks ahead and random variables with trades up, etc. But he has us taking Xavier Legette at 33. Which suggests the noise around the Panthers and Legette is real (unfortnuately)

Why on earth would we trade a starting level talent at 39 for two developmental special teamers at 54 and 85

Frazier is my draft darling. 10 year starter from day 1 and can anchor the line. We need him so bad that I'm sure we'll pass on him twice

charlie campbell who is usually very well in tuned with the panthers even through owner and GM changes has us targeting a WR and CB in the 2nd round. So its not far off, however I would hate passing on one of the top 3 centers in this class when we have the opportunity to make our interior OL super solid

Ladd at 33, Zach Frazier at 39. Perfect draft

I think Ladd will bulk up. I know that's his biggest weakness, but he just is always open like Puka Nacua. We desperately need a player like that and if Dionte Johnson has a good season, that should give Bryce three targets in the mid range 

Frazier has a chance to be the best center IMO and should start from day 1. Just super solid technique and with added power/strength in NFL conditioning no reason why he can't be Ryan Kalil.

Also would accept JPJ and AD Mitchell. Not too high on Worthy or Legette, but if available in the 3rd I would think about it.

I think its so obvious that we go C and WR in the 2nd round. The fits are just too good. Corbett and Brady can swing and provide depth. At least that is what I would do if I were in charge.

If Bryce stinks then the offense should be in good shape next year for #1 pick/Dak/whatever route they go.

I'd rather get the offense really good first than try to focus on both sides of the ball at once. Like what the Chiefs and Lions did

1 hour ago, strato said:

Brother we did trade two firsts, go back to the actual transaction.

#9 of 2023, #1 of 2024. For one. We traded two for one. Plus.

Both 1st round selections. Plus the seconds. Plus DJ Moore. That is supposedly the difference between the Panthers with or without Bryce Young. (and dammit, PHUCK Scott Fitterer).

I guess you have to account for at least four years to assess it? It’s not gonna be a good deal. 

I would say he pretty much needs a great season to earn any leeway, with me...  after the lengths they will have gone to, to help him. On top of that initial investment. And no poo, a guy taken where he was taken is supposed to be the one doing the helping. Not needing it. 

Standards. An acceptable floor at the least. Meet it, don’t meet it. We need to know when that is coming, on the front end.

Why did the Texans go after Mixon and Diggs and other improvements? "the lengths they will have gone to, to help him" ? Flawed argument. Out of 8 billion people in the world every single person except for 1 (Mahomes) need their teams to go through lengths to help him

On the #9 pick, you knew what I meant. Most teams trade 2 future firsts to move up that far or get a QB. We didn't. That is the saving grace. 

While I agree with your premise of an elite TE making the offense so much easier, the chances of a drafted tight end being elite are extremely low. This team has too many holes to be gambling on a 2nd round tight end. Any tight end that isn't elite can be had in free agency for cheap.

I think we draft WR and OL in round 2, then depending on who's there in round 3, either draft another WR or sign a free agent WR to fill out the roster. No need to sign him now

38 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

And what are yall gonna do when he doesnt? 

I feel like the optimists admit mistakes far more than the pessimists admit they were wrong.

If Bryce has a really good season next year, you'll have a lot of the posters that trash him every post - and they know who they are - pretend like they never said anything or just make a new account because they don't want to save face

The truth is, the jury is still out on Bryce. In a season of bad he made some great throws, zipped some touchdowns in tight windows, had some long drives, and had several clutch 4th down throws, but those posters pretend like he didn't show a single NFL skill for the sake of their Colin Cowherd-level hot takes.

Thankfully we didn't trade two firsts and if Bryce is just as bad we have our first next year.

Absolutely not, if Bryce sucks we will just take a QB next year which means we just wasted the 33rd pick on a QB

I really want to find a way to get Mitchell. The way he moves and shakes people loose, he can be the next Lamb/Chase

Charlie Campbell says Legette is reminiscent of Breshad Perriman coming out of college. Same size, speed, rawness and traits. Not exactly a ringing endorsement

6 hours ago, MHS831 said:

You say two things that I find to be rather interesting.

I have been of the mindset that they think they have a center in Corbett.  However, they would say that until they draft his replacement, so this issue will be interesting on draft day.  I understand that they are going to groom Cade Mays to be the backup center, but Corbett is in the final year of a deal, so drafting a C early could be something they do.

As for the Burns/Luvu comment, I think Luvu was used mostly at ILB last season, not OLB.  I think, if you consider that we get WILB Thompson back, we will have Thompson and Jewell at ILB when Luvu and committee (Gruiger Hill) were playing ILB last season.  Burns, Haynes, and Yeter Gross-Matos were the primary OLBs in 2023, and they are all gone.  Now we have Clowney, Wonnum, Chaisson, Barno, DJ Johnson, and Leota at the OLB spots--hard to say they would be better. 

Biurns (8), YGM (4.5) and Haynes (1) produced only 13.5 sacks last season.

Clowney (9.5) and Wonnum (8) and Chaisson (2) produced 19.5 sacks on three different teams last season.  If you consider the plan is to develop the impressive athleticism of Barno and Johnson and continue the development of Leota, I am not sure we lost ground.  I should note that Clowney and Wonnum's sack totals were career highs, so we should probably expect about 7 from Clowney and probably around 6 from Wonnum--which equals the top 3 Panther OLBs in 2023.  I expect Chaisson to be developed here--I would not be surprised to see him become a significant rotational player.

Furthermore, Derrick Brown played all the time (more than he probably should have) and he forced sacks to these edge rushers.  This year, with Brown and Robinson inside, I expect more collapsed pockets, increasing the sack production for the edge rushers.

Luvu is the variable here that must be considered.  He had 5.5 sacks.  New Panther LB Josey Jewell had 3 in Denver.

So if you include Luvu in the Panther sack total the OLBs, The Panthers had a total of 19 sacks from their 4 top contributors.  If you throw Jewell into the mix of the four top additions to the Panther roster, the total is 22.5.   So the sack production from 2023 actually increased by 3.5 sacks. 

I do not think sacks, however, is a fair assessment of the overall productivity, but we actually are in a better place in terms of potential sack production.

I don't believe the Corbett thing for a second. They said that so they don't telegraph to teams on draft day that they have an obvious glaring hole at C. There could be a high quality one at 33, and if not I would trade back and get a second tier one.

On the sacks, I agree, and I was more than fed up with Burns on run plays and really any other play where he's not rushing the quarterback. I just don't think a situational pass rusher is worth spending that much of your cap on. Honestly would rather have a 30M/yr wide receiver.

I think we are fine this year, and we need to never give out of FA contract to a RB again. Just draft a mid rounder every year. Unless we luck into a CMC level talent

The return of investment rate for free agent tight ends and running backs is extremely low. They don't need to be paid unless they are Kelce/Olsen/Gronk or CMC/Tomlinson/Charles tier of player. Said at the time of signings last year that Fitterer was an idiot for giving Hurst and Sanders those contracts, and in reply Mr. Scot said I was an idiot....welp!

Also, every year there's a team seemingly out of nowhere that is the worst team in the league, this year it was our turn unfortunately. And every year one of the worst teams has a massive improvement. I highly doubt, as pessimistic as a lot of you are, we are the worst team next year. I can see a team like Seattle, Denver, Tampa or Minnesota just absolutely imploding their way to 2-14

Need a center in the 2nd round, and another weapon (either WR or TE). Do that and we are improved on paper.

Only downgrade on that list is going from Burns/Luvu to Clowney/Wonnum, but we saved a shitload of money in the process. Every other "departure" was below average and I suspect most will be out of the NFL soon

Production wise he is the same as Burns, a better run defender but just older. If he gives two solid years then he likely equals what Burns would have done the rest of his time here. Just got to make pick 39 count now

Legette will go top 20. He will rise like crazy over the last month like Olave did. So i’m not getting my hopes up. 

Yeah I don't get the argument. Unless you have Mahomes, every single other team in the NFL needs offensive line and wide receivers. The last closest to win without was Cam, who's lack of an offensive line doomed him in the super bowl.

I guess some posters on here want to wait until we get the best quarterbacks in the world. Okay, but you'll be waiting a long time, that just isn't realistic. There's only 7 good quarterbacks in the world (Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Stroud, Lamar, Hurts, Herbert) and about 12 average quarterbacks (Purdy, Dak, Cousins, Goff, Love being the high end). All besides Mahomes need weapons and a offensive line, period. 

So it's "catering to Bryce" to bring in offensive line and weapons? Like what?