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10 hours ago, davos said:

Going into the year, people were talking up Lance & Fields not being far behind Lawrence.  Now by years' end, there's this Zach Wilson kid out of nowhere from BYU.  It just gives me pause.

Lance though, built like a brick.  Just super interesting.  He's got all the tools but bc of his competition, there's not much to really look at placement wise in tight coverage and under pressure.  But if we think we can groom this kid, let's roll with it.  Such amazing potential.

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Good share 

it’s funny, the knock on this kid is competition and small school

i had to watch Zack Wilson in every game as my SO is a BYU alum

its not  like BYU’s competition were world class either. More like a D1 team playing D2

give me the choice and would take Lance of size, accuracy potential but not to worry, knowing the Panthers ability to screw up, they will probably trade and pickup Sam Darnold.  I don’t think they have any idea what they need.  If they did,  Bridgewater wouldn’t be here 

while he is more accurate and a bit smaller he reminds me of Cam with his athleticism and you can’t teach that 

6 hours ago, NAS said:

Interesting article that could see us potentially trading down to grab Mond in mid-late first round.

https://wbt.com/6196/matt-rhule-impressed-by-kellen-mond-at-senior-bowl/

Carolina Panthers head coach Matt Rhule gave high praise to Texas A&M quarterback Kellen Mond.

The MVP of the Senior Bowl was coached by Rhule and his staff this week and left a strong impression by throwing for 173 yards and two touchdowns in Saturday’s college All-Star finale.

“We’re talking about a really, really football smart guy here,” Rhule said after the game. “You give him a play and he knows it. He kind of got into a rhythm there in the third quarter, just ripping some seam balls, making some plays. I think he’s got a bright future.”

Mond finished an outstanding 2020 season, leading the 4th-ranked Aggies to a 9-1 record with a 41-27 Orange Bowl victory over No. 13 North Carolina. The San Antonio, Texas native threw for 2,282 yards with 19 touchdowns and three interceptions.

In CBS Sports’ latest Round 1 mock draft, analyst Chris Trapasso has Jones and Mond going in the first 32 picks, but not Trask. We’ve seen plenty of projections for Trask in Round 1, but these are some of the first projections for Jones and Mond in the first round.

 

Rhule said the same thing about Jones 

he also said the same thing about Bridgewater 

he says a lot of things 

4 minutes ago, Scott12345 said:

worked out well but simms is a tool

Well Simms did play the position in the NFL

so there is that 

I didnt want Stafford and I don’t want Watson either. Costs too much

one thing about Rhule and this new GM, they sure do talk a lot 

probably not a good idea in poker or in the world of NFL personnel 

The desperation is apparent   Who knows...maybe it’s the world’s greatest smoke screen 

1 hour ago, pantherj said:

When we brought in new coaches and staff members I expected smart moves. We made dumb moves, from Teddy to the WFT game, and now we're in QB limbo. Not good. Now we have to make really difficult decisions that might not pan out. We're behind the 8 ball, and our new staff put us there. We're in trouble, and it could be multi-season QB limbo kind of trouble. Like not having a winning season for the next couple of seasons trouble.

Yep and I particularly loved Rhule who talked about ‘building a culture’  to justify the win and then bringing in Dwayne Haskins 

it is mind boggling Rhule would do that and even Haskins turned him down  

I mean talk about a ‘winning culture’ 

that game meant nothing. He could have started some fringe players to see if they were worth a roster spot but hey. Winning culture 

I want to like Matt Rhule but I just don’t think he is ready for the big time and while bridgewater is inadequate, it’s not like he dropped from the sky. Rhule agreed to him being here 

his coaching decisions cost a few games too.  Best see improvement thus year, with it without Teddy 

57 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

Only direct quote I’ve heard from him was anywhere but NE. Not exactly how the story is spinning it.

It came from PFT today with Florio and Chris Simms.  Simms quoted a close associate/friend of Stafford’s who says Stafford stated he didn’t want to come to Carolina 

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

I get that.

Simms is full of sh-t on this one though.

Yep. If the snip of the clip  pops up today  I’ll share it 

I think it is far better for the Panthers to draft their own QBs and groom him their way anyway  as I’m not sure how veterans view their career with a staff that has done nothing    Just fact  not criticism 
 

13 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You can read the full story of the negotiations in the link. It says Stafford preferred the Rams but didn't decline or nix going to Carolina.

Peter King and others have also confirmed that Stafford had a preference (King saying he was "more keen" on the Rams than the Panthers and others) but nobody's said anything about him not wanting to come here.

PFT isn't always wrong but they're not the best source. Breer is a far superior source for anything behind the scenes.

appreciate the effort however No need to convince me about Breet or anyone else as I didn’t say it 

chris Simms said  directly that he had a close contact connection with Stafford  who said ‘Stafford didn’t want to come to Carolina ‘

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's PFT.

Albert Breer has a whole lot more detailed report of what went on behind the scenes. He confirmed that Stafford to Carolina was about to happen until the Rams beefed up their offer.

Just repeating what was clearly  said by Simms on that show and he was direct 

i said previously it takes two to tango and I’m not sure the Panthers  are currently a place that free agents want to be 

Given the panthers record with free agent, not sure that’s a bad thing 

too  how players are treated matters  in essence two Panthers QBs have not exactly been handled very gracefully by the org 

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I think that's a reach. He preferred the Rams or 49ers, but that doesn't mean he "didn't want to come here".

He was willing to go anywhere except New England.

No

he stated not New England first and then when the Panthers approached, stafford said ‘no’ er the TV report so their were two NE and Carolina per Simms contact 

Just now, Zod said:

Of course he would have rather gone to a contender

Just quoting what was said. 

simms implied they would rather live in LA among other things 

Report just now on Pro Football talk on TV hosted by Mike Florio and Chris Simms 

Simms just stated on the show that per a reliable inside source that:

1. Stafford did not want to come to Carolina and the

2 Panthers did offer Lions the number 8 pick which of course was higher than the Rams this year 

23 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I am starting to think Mac Jones is going to be the pick.  Forget the mobility--smarts trumps mobility.   Not sure I am happy about this, but I trust the experts who had the chance to work with him. for 3 days.

And I think we have been harsh on him..Bama QB curse?  Too many weapons?  Well, you could argue to the move is to draft a smart qb that needs protection and weaponry and give him protection and weaponry. 

I just think that Rhule liked him, and he built a career on recognizing talent that was overlooked.  A guy who covered the SR Bowl said he thinks Jones could be the 4th QB taken. 

I am not happy about this, and this is why I am still bitter about the Rivera victory in DC.  However, how many people had Josh Allen as the #1 QB in that draft--I had him at #4.  So I lack the confidence to act like I know.

 

 

Get your point 

however 

1. Teddy didn’t drop from the sky. Rhule should have seen what he was on tape and said ,nnaaaahhh’.   He didn’t and know acts like he found out his significant other was cheating on him...and he is bitter and surprised about it...like he saw nothing and had no choice.   I hate coaches like that and he is running his mouth  too much about it. 

2. Rhule the ‘culture guy’ brings in Haskins and offers a future contract and gets snubbed.  That totally smacked of desperation 

3. Now, he  seemingly falls in love with a guy for  intangibles and smartness.  Maybe Jones is the next Peyton Manning, maybe he is the next of long line of failed drafted QBs  without the arm to compensate for the speed of defenses 

4  the handling of Newton, not his fault either  

I don’t know about Rhule but those are 4 red flags and we best ,hope that the new GM truly has input and a brain.  

Too, seems to me the NFL is like poker...you don’t tell anyone what you are thinking when it comes to players on your roster   

maybe Rhule is the next Pete Carol.  Maybe not.  I’m not sure either way 

The Redskins are a QB and role players away from being a very good team. The NFC East would probably allow for a playoff run 

the Panthers will  need a brand new o line 

if I recall, Matt has taken a beating over his career. 

he would probably like to be somewhere with a chance at the playoffs and not getting beat to death   I don’t think that is Carolina 

Just now, Anybodyhome said:

Tepper was the guy who ordered the GM and head coach to get Cam off the field because he was hurt and couldn't throw the ball. If anything, Cam might actually owe him some thanks for not allowing him to get permanently injured.

Could be. Some how I don’t think Cam feels that way

12 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

Y'all realize that his no trade clause gives him the right not decline being traded to a team he does not want to go? Meaning if he doesn't want to go to the JETS, he does not GO there. Watson has leverage here guys. If he wants to play for you he will accept the trade. 

Well. Two things over and above team makeup

upside  

Tepper is a very progressive and vocal supporter of social issues   That is a 360 to Houston   Tepper is probably the most socially aware owner in the league 

flip side 

Newton was deshaun’s mentor. They are friends.  We all know the Tepper handling of Newton was not exactly graceful 

20 hours ago, Soul Rebel said:

• Leatherwood-Dickerson-Brown in the trenches
• Devonta and Waddle at WR
• Najee Harris at RB
• Top notch SEC Defense 
• Not overly mobile with a mediocre-at-best arm

And oh yeah......

Hard pass.

To be fair, Brady’s  combine pic was not exactly....athletic

now granted, he does look like a beer and a biscuit over the line there 

1 hour ago, d-dave said:

You can't coach player confidence.  You can give them a system, teach them the reads, drill those situations, etc.  But at the end of the day, you can't play for them.

As much as I like Teddy B the person, he doesn't have the IT a NFL QB needs.  Teddy is a perfectly serviceable QB who can win you some games.  But when you need the QB to make some plays, he's shown that he's too risk adverse.

Think about KC.  They are literally never out of it because we've seen for the past three season Patrick Mahomes do some bat-poo crazy things to score a boatload of points.  Or Brady?  Or even Brees?  What about Jake?  Or even Cam?  

You need a QB who you can get behind.  Not a QB who will keep you behind.

I understand what you are saying but I disagree  a d the article starts with 2018, not 2020

decisions coaches make during in game situations, end of half, end of game, sitting on leads, defensive alignments,  not making adjustments, play heavily on the outcomes

coaches also are part of personnel decisions  Rhule infuriates me because he had to know what Bridgewater was and if he didn’t, god help us.  I get Brady wanting his security blanket but the answer should have been ‘no’

rivera, knowing Cam was damaged, had zero backup qb plan   
 

it’s not like these things just happen  there was either willful ignorance or poor planing or poor decision making  in either case 

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

That's an awful stat! It also belies the fact that we need a dynamic top tier QB and OC (in my opinion).

That falls highly on coaching in the Nfl 

27 minutes ago, CRA said:

my biggest fear.

We don't make a move for Watson/Stafford.

Then, and some mocks show it, Trevor, Fields, Wilson and Lance all go before #8. 

Matt Rhule drafts Mac at #8 after getting to know him at the Senior Bowl so well. 

 Bingo 

mine as well 

I was wrong about Justin Herbert and that’s who we should have moved up one spot to get and while I do not believe Jones is close to Herbert in any category, he us going to be the picK if things fall as predicted 

the panthers May trade back two or three doors to get him and get more picks 

Rhule scares me, after all Teddy would not have been here if Rhule didn’t approve and then there us the Dwayne Haskins futures offer 

8 minutes ago, Mage said:

Probably an unpopular opinion at this point, but I think Jared Goff can still be a great QB in the NFL.  Accuracy doesn't disappear, and Goff has loads of it.  His decision-making has been atrocious though, but Los Angeles shouldn't just give up on him.  

I think he'd be a great fit here personally.  Unfortunately I don't really want to trade for that contract.

Honestly. I spend a lot of time in CA and I watch the Rams a d chargers more than I want to...the guy is terrible with pressure...deer in the head lights.  Better arm than Teddy, slightly more mobile but the same guy 

no thanks 

8 hours ago, PantherPhann89 said:

Beating Washington and dropping to 8th overall pick from 3

It’s the Panther way...kinda like talking about culture and offering a futures contract to Haskins

there are ways to lose without looking like it. All teams do it to rest their players before the playoffs   New Orleans masters of it

its over and done.  Who knows, we might be better off 

42 minutes ago, Scott12345 said:

Is Jones playing in this game?

Yes...and Rhule is coaching him. Frightening 

40 minutes ago, Scott12345 said:

We don’t have any idea if he will be clutch with a game on the line

only time I’ve ever watched him, his last completion came up short and his team lost

I’m not big on Wilson but to be fair, he can’t catch it too.  His starting WRs and starting running back were out too as I recall plus traveling cross country.  Trying to say it was a team failure not just a Zack failure 

I watched all his games.  My concern is more the talent he played against. He isn’t going to have all day and open throwing lanes I. The NFL

he is smart. He has quick feet. Durability, who knows.  Everyone thought Luck a d Cam would last a lot longer than they did 

I have this feeling if none of the QBs the Panthers like are there, that they will trade down to mid range in the first.  in addition to the new first RD, they get a second and a third

they will then Take, god forbid, Jones,  and then all bets are off after that to try and fill holes 

I could see them taking the LT at 8 but  that’s it  I don’t  see a trade up and I don’t see a veteran 

I wish I did but it takes trade value, cap considerations, contract considerations and as the saying goes, ‘two to tango’.  I do not think those veterans prefer Charlotte 

time will tell.   I wish to god, Bridgewater had never come here but he did a d here we are 

5 hours ago, Zod said:

Or maybe having an elite QB, Elite TE, and Elite Receiver makes is much easier to get the ball out before a sack can happen. 

 

Some of his throws yesterday happened within one second of the snap. It is ridiculous. 

This.  Shula didn’t have a play under 60 seconds unless it was Cam running