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my brief summation.  
1. Who is it that was lackadaisical?  Was it Young  Ickey was referring to

2.  Canales continues to say the ‘me to connection ; ie qb to receivers is failing 

3.  Young a great guy but not right as starter for the panthers   However, after 2.5 years,  too much bad play and too much inconsistency with a stable coaching staff and weapons References Mark Schlerth’s  comments… Young  couldn’t complete passes downfield    

4. Mentions failures with Young due to Tepper in 2023  possibly did damage to Young    Maybe young needs a fresh start   So do the Panthers    wants to see Canales getting a 3rd year with his chosen QB   Cox counters, Maye had a bad situation in his rookie year but excelled this year 

5. Discussed Young’s data on metric of ‘catchable pass rate’  the metric shows

         A.   Young fails on catchable passes other than 0 to 9 yards 

          B.  McMillan is most effective 10 to 19  as one example, of WRs not being allowed to be at their best yardage 

           C     all 22 shows Legette is open a lot and ignored 

6. Lea discusses the impact of losing Thielen on Young I.e. given young’s comfort with short passes, young misses Thielen   Young is starting to replace Adam with Jatevon  Sanders and he makes the decision before the snap to go to him regardless 

13 minutes ago, Sir Big Spurr said:

There’s no bigger pussy on that sideline than Dave Canales. When your head coach and QB are such betas, you have no chance. 

You aren’t wrong

Mr Roger’s isn’t going to cut it particularly when paired with pee wee Herman 

2 hours ago, The Lobo said:

True, but glazing a dump off to the flats is a bit much 

To be fair, perhaps he was trying to not be totally negative lol

One has to ask

what are the Panthers going to do now that Plan A is finished 

how many games are left, 8  lol

i want the qb whisperer and guru to show something new and inventive in play selection and scheme and personnel 

somehow, I don’t think he or idzik can

Canales is not helping the situation    I have absolutely had it   

1. Injured guards and a rotating line,  ok,   go max protect vs empty backfield  help them …including a TE in the backfield if needed  you are where you are.

2. There is zero imagination in any of this offense..,zero.  There is no rule that says you can’t have both Rico, Chuba  or start a TE  in the backfield at the same time with only 2 wide receivers 

3. The WR line up is not working.   Change it.   he keeps trotting the same lineup out there that has  not worked     I don’t give a poo what they do in practice.  Game day results is what  matters   Dropped passes…bad routes..sit them down  put in Moore if you need to   Don’t care   Find a possession receiver not named McMillan 

4  TE  Lineup is non existent in pass offense.   Change it.  Sanders ain’t it  period, end of story… drops   no,YAC   He would be 3rd string on any other team   Put the older  veteran out there with Tommy or Mitch

5. For the love of god, this is pro football, find 2 pass plays over 10 yards your QB can throw consistently and do it  and do it from a running set     If he can’t do the minimum, find someone else   or maybe, just maybe, the minimum, with less to think about  gets his head straight 

     Ps  when you need 7 yards, don’t ask him to throw it 30 to the end zone, you know he can’t   You’ve admitted it 

6  your qb is not a pocket passer   Accept it, just like you did with Baker   Move him

7. Personnel.  If you execute, you play.  If you don’t, you sit   Too many dropped passes by all of them.   Pro football requires execution 

The full  team will quit on Canales if he, who is the OC and HC, can’t fix the area he is supposed to be a ‘guru’ and ‘whisperer’ for and I don’t blame them

/end rant

3 minutes ago, toldozer said:

17 times Bryce has been under 70 yards in the first half, more than 33% of his starts. The dude fuging sucks. He's been over 200 yards 12 times in his damn career. There are other problems for sure but we cannot accurately solve those until turnover Fred gets the fug off the field 

I Will never live down 

‘turn over Fred ‘ vs  ‘turn over free’  in the title I couldn’t edit

ironically, the ‘Fred’  was more appropriate 

lol lol

I meant to say  too that corbett needs to sit and so does moton

both are shadows of what they were 2 years ago.  Age and injuries 

why canales finds it impossible to have rico and chuba in backfield together or tremble with a back is beyond me

they beed to find one route past 10 yards for young to throw consistently   Just one and if they need to go max protect for that,  then for the love of god, do it 

The same line used at GB, in the same formation, should have stayed

25 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Yeah, I feel like the Saints biggest plays on offense came because our edge rushers completely whiffed on the sack. Slough then scrambled outside of the pocket and then hit an open downfield receiver. I'm starting to think Edge might actually be a bigger concern than Linebacker - we just don't generate any pressure with a 4 man rush unless DB beats the double team he is facing
 

Defense was awful IMO Sunday. It's just the offense was soooo ass that we are directing our hate more towards the O

Hard to fault  the defense when they were on the field all day. 

the offense, i believe i heard, had 1 first down the entire second half  and only a couple in the first 

you are correct that there were numerous whiffs by tacklers in any case 

19 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

By no means am I sold on Dave and Dan but Morgan played NFL football at a high level and knows what he is looking at. I firmly believe Tepper anchored these guys with Bryce and told them they had to try to fix him before moving on. Dan has made enough decent moves to convince me he understands how to build a team.

Perhaps 

given tepper allowed the panthers to move on from darnold and baker 

and Cam

Too quickly without a plan other than ‘swing for the fences until we find our guy’ Fetterer

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

I still don’t get the Dan Morgan mental gymnastics and how folks have invented this world where Morgan quietly raged against all Fitterer’s decisions with no evidence. 

I think odds are Bryce present day is here because of Morgan more so than Tepper.  Tepper is horrible at hiring but Tepper isn’t the type to get stuck on ideas or people or afraid to admit mistakes (his is the opposite). 

Quite honestly 

the decisions by dave and dan on the qb room makeup in 2025 indicates either 

1. A prove  it that young is not the guy by giving him no pressure of competition and every opportunity to fail to show the owner that the franchise needs to move on

or

2. God forbid, they really  believe he is a nfl capable qb 

fans are screwed in either case

25 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

Woof. Dave and Dan are smart enough to understand what the deal is with Bryce. They just have to convince Tepper that we have to move on.

No way do they give him a contract

Keep him through year 4 but on the bench and get brisset for next year

find that qb in 2027 draft

seen enough 

nothing short of a prolific offensive showing over the remaining  games against decent opponents justifies keeping him in a starting role next year 

..or Canales as offensive coordinator 

Next Gen Stats Insight for Saints-Panthers (via NFL Pro): 

Much of Tyler Shough’s production was directed outside the numbers, as he finished 11 of 16 for 202 yards and both of his touchdowns on such attempts.

His yardage total outside the numbers was the second-most by a Saints quarterback in the last eight seasons and most by any rookie in 2025.

NFL Research:

The Panthers had their sixth game of the season with seven or fewer points in the first half.

Carolina is 2-15 when Bryce Young starts at QB and has less than 70 yards in the first half in his career.

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

D. Watson, Stafford(unlikely), Mayfield(never gonna happen), 2023 QB Rookies, Davis Mills, Brissett, Mac Jones, Will Levis, Drew Lock

Take Brissett

Tepper needs and wants a face of the franchise  for  his renovation and building and new endeavors 

it isnt young

he best get a 2 year replacement plan in place for young 

9 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I get to pay top dollar for 2 night's in an expensive hotel and for overpriced tickets to sit in the lower bowl and watch the team get their ass drug up and down the field up close and personal. I'm going to make sure they hear my displeasure with this team.

Friend. Totally understand 

had psls for 23 years

moved in 2023 and had one year left on my contract and through some miracle, unloaded it

 now, i watch them on Sunday ticket   Turn the channel when they suck. No lines for better booze and cleaner bathrooms  and no 85 to 40 traffic nightmares back to Raleigh 

36 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

It can't come soon enough for me. Im forced to attend the last home game because I cannot sell my tickets after yesterday. Now that im stuck with them I want someone else starting so I can sit through that crap fest. Im going to boo from the kickoff on. Im going to try to get there early enough to heckled Tepper and Dan if I can get close enough. I'm going to make it worth driving down from Asheville to watch one last time. I'm not watching another game as long as they keep the status quo at qb.

We have been here before haven’t we.   Even jimmy clausen could do a qb sneak 

I remember driving to Charlotte from Raleigh when clausen was playing and leaving to drive back to Raleigh at halftime as they couldn’t get a first down. A wasted season

From a qb perspective,  panthers are here again

it is time to cut bait.  Wait until the rams, Bucs, Seahawks, and 49ers get ahold of them

…each of those teams, better coaches, and infinitely better QBs 

23 minutes ago, Kuhndog94 said:

Yeah, DM and DC need to be out on Young, or I'm out on them. 

He's never going to be an NFL level QB. Stop forcing it, rip off the band aid, and find us a serviceable QB. I heard Kurt Warner was bagging groceries when they found him. Maybe start at your local Publix. Anything is better than what we have now. 

Yes and I’m certain they start with half the playbook to accommodate Young

…then as they know more of what he can and can’t do based on the speed the pro game requires in processing and arm velocity, they cut more  

this is not sustainable 

I think i am getting to a place of apathy with this pro franchise

They need to move on from Young quickly and perhaps Canales and morgan 

anyone who thinks they shouldn’t need only to watch the top 15 teams in league 

the Panthers are light years away 

…not being able to sustain a vertical offense, run a qb sneak for a yard. 

Give me a break  after investing millions in the oline, drafting WRs, giving up multiple assets for multiple years for the worst  qb ive ever seen at the NFl level, warrants it 

it is sadly what it is 

I was struck at the Saints DLmen not even engaging the panthers oline several times as they knew

1. it was a pass play

2. Where the play was going

3  which pass lane Young preferred to get hands up to block Young’s pass 

unbelievably smart  

Was that the worst loss of season for Carolina Panthers? You better believe it

Scott Fowler

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29 mins ago

If the Carolina Panthers wanted to stick a pin into Charlotte and deflate the whole city, they certainly did so on Sunday.

The Panthers had suffered some poor losses already this season. Buffalo beat them by 31; New England by 29.

But Sunday’s 17-7 loss to the New Orleans Saints before a dispirited crowd in Bank of America Stadium looked and felt worse than any other loss this season for Carolina. This was a helmet-slamming, boo-raining, turnover-making testament to badly coached and played football by the home team. I’d label this one as the biggest letdown of the season, mainly because of the quality of the opponent.
 

New Orleans came into the game 1-8 and was starting a rookie quarterback who had zero NFL wins. But the Saints outplayed the Panthers so thoroughly — outgaining the Panthers 388-175 — that Carolina was booed off the field at halftime and again in the fourth quarter.

Carolina dropped to 5-5, looking again like the sadly familiar team that has posted losing records every year since 2017. Where were the feel-good Panthers that had upset Green Bay at Lambeau Field a week before? They apparently never got on the plane.

Carolina Panthers made New Orleans rookie quarterback Tyler Shough look like Drew Brees, as he threw for two touchdowns and 282 yards, including monstrous plays of 52 and 62 yards. The Saints decided to stop Rico Dowdle by crowding the box with eight defenders and daring quarterback Bryce Young to beat them.

Young and the Panthers receivers never came close to doing it. Instead, it was Young who looked like the rookie quarterback Sunday — jittery and overwhelmed — and Shough who resembled a veteran.

And it was Panthers coach Dave Canales who seemed unprepared as to how to adjust to a Saints team that challenged the Panthers receivers with one-on-one coverage and completely blanketed them. I forgot starting receiver Xavier Legette (zero receptions, zero yards, zero impact) was even in the game until he was called for a penalty.
 

Carolina only had a single play of 15 yards or longer all day. The 2-15 Panthers of 2023 would have had a decent shot at beating these 2025 Panthers on Sunday.

“Not our brand of football,” Dowdle said.

“It sucks,” Young said.

“I’ve got to do a better job,” Canales said.
 

All true. A week after a win and Dowdle’s 130 rushing yards disguised Carolina’s serious passing game deficiencies against Green Bay, there was nowhere to hide Sunday. Other than rookie Tetairoa McMillan, Young (17-for-25 for 124 yards, no TDs, one interception) seemed disconnected from the entire offense. Young also got fooled by a fake blitz and threw a horrible fourth-quarter interception directly to the Saints’ Alontae Taylor.

“Bad read, bad ball, 100% my fault,” said Young, who came to the sideline and slammed his helmet down after that one.

Young also threw another interception on Carolina’s first and only touchdown drive in the first quarter, but was fortunate to have that one negated by penalty. His botched handoff on a jet sweep to Jimmy Horn Jr. resulted in a turnover inside the New Orleans 20.

Although Young took responsibility for that fumble, Horn said it was actually his fault. “I’ve got to grab the ball,” he said. “I take full accountability for all that.”
 

Both Panthers players with the surname “Horn” were on the wrong side of big plays Sunday. Cornerback Jaycee Horn, in one-on-one coverage with Chris Olave, lost a hand-fighting battle, fell down and allowed Olave to score on a 62-yard catch-and-run. Olave then added insult to injury by jumping into the premium end zone seating alongside Panther fans to celebrate.
 

Said Ekwonu: “We just weren’t locked into the small details. A couple guys spoke about it. Coach (Canales) spoke about it throughout the week. And you can’t get days back. If you have a tough day on Thursday, tough day on Friday, or whatever, you can always look forward. But you can’t get that day back. So that preparation, or lack thereof, is going to add up. And unfortunately, that just cultivated to what we saw today.”
 

Dowdle, who ran for a modest 53 yards on 18 carries, was swarmed on nearly every play and said he was facing a “heavy box” from the first snap of the game.

“They were basically trying to overmatch our personnel,” Dowdle said, noting that the Saints simply brought in one defensive lineman after another as Carolina failed to punish New Orleans with the passing game.
 

Dowdle was asked if he thought the Saints were “hungrier” Sunday. He responded that he didn’t think so, but admitted: “You watch the film, maybe that’s what it might look like.”

In any case, Carolina blew a huge opportunity, losing at home to a 1-8 team in what theoretically should have been the most winnable game the team has left. Of course, these Panthers have defied expectations before, both for better and for worse.
 

But on abysmal days like this one, Canales’ relentless postgame optimism does seem misplaced. The coach seemed determined to take all the blame himself for not putting the Panthers into better offensive plays.
 

Of Bryce Young, Canales said: “I think he’s throwing the ball great.”

Of Legette: “I think X is running fast. He’s doing everything we ask of him.”

Really?

Then how come the Panthers’ final nine drives of the game went punt-punt-punt-punt-end of half-blocked field goal-lost fumble-interception-lost on downs? There’s nothing great about that. That’s not what anyone was asking for, except the Saints.
 

I won’t pick on Canales too much, as this was very much a team loss and he wasn’t the one out there making the turnovers.

But this a Panthers team that needs to stay humble and realize this reality: Even on its best days, it’s barely good enough to win in the NFL.

There can be no letups. No letdowns. And nothing like what we saw Sunday, which was an embarrassment.

1 minute ago, frankw said:

It's pretty fưcking bad when Scott Fitterer did infinitely more to bring in legitimate competition into the QB room than Dan Morgan has done in nearly two full years.

Tepper might have something to do with that, who knows

Dan also likes his receiver room……..I’m not of that belief but whatever 

1 minute ago, NAS said:

If only that were true. We had QBs twice- Darnold and Baker.  But yes Bryce just can’t physically play QB in the NFL to carry a team.

Other teams had those QBs too

some times, as you know, they aren’t ready or the system is a fit

some times, they can’t play at the nfl level.  Unfortunately the Panthers have this case 

Finished after year 5 and 32 million bucks

not bad

we should all have it so bad

the nfl is just not for him

1 hour ago, NAS said:

See you in the offseason but I have zero expectations they’ll get it right. 

Nothing wrong with giving someone the benefit of the doubt 

it is a team sport but the unfortunate reality is, as I’ve said many times before, if a team ain’t got a qb, they ain’t got nothing, particularly in the modern nfl.

3 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Emotionally labile, hostile, constantly rubbing his arms 

little Bryce smoked a little meth 

What is up with the arm rubbing

he does it all the time 

is that some new age calm method or some poo to not say what he wants to say

he was a bit passive aggressive in his answers    I guess he didn’t want to say, ‘ I suck’ what more do you want me to say ‘