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Just now, Chad_Cota said:

“Y’all got anymore of those scripted plays?”

Lol

thanks for the 

laugh 

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Pretty sure he's not fully healthy 

Canales said they are saving Corbett for rotation 

you know like Brady 

lol

1 minute ago, Carolina Cajun said:

honestly surprised hes not.  Corbett is an absolute dogshit Center, but honestly, hes a decent guard

Canales gonna Canales 

his personnel calls are sketchy 

1 minute ago, Dave Gettleman's Shorts said:

btw it was chandler zavala not picking up the blitzer

Who,would start the drive killer, Zavala over not as bad of a drive killa 

corbett

send chandler up to the commanders with fritterer

Hey number 5, Evero how about nit giving him a 10 yards start

u can hit him before 5 yards 

just. Suggestion

Just now, The Lobo said:

I have a feeling Bryce is going to have a big stat day, just feels like they are going to gameplan to do whatever it takes to show he’s the guy

Whatever they have to do, I’ll take the W

it may be the last one until the 2026 season lol

One point I have heard made  by several analysts that may have relevancy

McMillian and Legette are both high pointers catching  the ball and both had  little separation in their college careers and that continues to the nfl 

this Qb, however, requires separation and in college traditionally had receivers who could get open

Ole Adam knew how to get open …I’ll say that for him…or comeback to the qb when he was in trouble 

18 hours ago, Basbear said:

 

 

Maybe put teppers bald mug there...

He is literally using his right arm to push out that left bicep 

you can literally see it by the placement 

pathetic 

19 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

He has lost them because people already felt the need to blabber about this to the press.

Lack of culture.

I think the thing that struck me is it was ickey as one of the ones who spoke out 

ickey never speaks out 

my god, ickey lived through Rhule And Reich and his second year with Canales and never heard a peep 

it really makes me wonder who they were addressing…..was it Young  ?

With ickey talking it had to be someone on offense   I don’t suspect the line or rbs as they are all vets.  That leaves qb1 and wrs

…and also offense is DC’s side of the ball

one of the best things that could happen is getting a true OC IN not Izik and have DC be strictly a HC

13 hours ago, Bear Hands said:

I've said it before but he's smart in knowing anticipation within a play's design, but he can't see the live-field to properly layer a throw. 

So many issues..

-Slow, shallow drops that restrict sight lines

-Because of this, he can't see the field and gets swallowed up even when an OL holds up

-So then he bails when he doesn't need to, and can't properly survey

-And also can't put the touch on intermediates enough to produce YAC.

Smitty would've gone ham on him if he was catching his balls.  Probably gotten a few black eyes in practice already.  McMillan was even looking visibly frustrated the past two games.  The kid doesn't have it. It's over.  It really is. 

We've given him so much time for how bad he's been.  Far longer than Zach Wilson or Josh Rosen at this stage.  

and edit:

Someone else mentioned it but Cam told us who he was that first drive first game.  I think Bryce did as well, just the complete opposite of the spectrum.  I cannot wait for a guy to just be able to push downfield again.  We have weapons to do it with.  

I have never seen a qb so lackadaisical getting to the line, getting the ball snapped, doing something with it after the snap

Everything he does  is slow motion 

…it is like he just woke up from a nap on the sofa in his parents’ basement after playing video games 

no urgency whatsoever.  

I do not think he could throw before the receivers cut if his very life depended on it 

perhaps the national criticism this week will light a fire under his happy little ass

I’m not buying any hype anymore

this team is too young to understand your biggest game are division games

..and the coaching staff doesn’t know how to get their heads on straight for that situation 

i got nothing 

if they think they arrived because the Packers played down to their competition, I got nothing..particularly for a qb who contributes less than 150 per game

1 hour ago, Bear Hands said:

Their big point -

It’s week 11 and your offense doesn’t have chemistry. You don’t have a passing game. Your QB is simply not working - 29th in catchable balls. Can’t layer an intermediate pass in stride.

Fails the eye test, stats test, advanced stats test - all fail. 

There should be no more questions

Winner winner,chicken dinner 

my brief summation.  
1. Who is it that was lackadaisical?  Was it Young  Ickey was referring to

2.  Canales continues to say the ‘me to connection ; ie qb to receivers is failing 

3.  Young a great guy but not right as starter for the panthers   However, after 2.5 years,  too much bad play and too much inconsistency with a stable coaching staff and weapons References Mark Schlerth’s  comments… Young  couldn’t complete passes downfield    

4. Mentions failures with Young due to Tepper in 2023  possibly did damage to Young    Maybe young needs a fresh start   So do the Panthers    wants to see Canales getting a 3rd year with his chosen QB   Cox counters, Maye had a bad situation in his rookie year but excelled this year 

5. Discussed Young’s data on metric of ‘catchable pass rate’  the metric shows

         A.   Young fails on catchable passes other than 0 to 9 yards 

          B.  McMillan is most effective 10 to 19  as one example, of WRs not being allowed to be at their best yardage 

           C     all 22 shows Legette is open a lot and ignored 

6. Lea discusses the impact of losing Thielen on Young I.e. given young’s comfort with short passes, young misses Thielen   Young is starting to replace Adam with Jatevon  Sanders and he makes the decision before the snap to go to him regardless 

13 minutes ago, Sir Big Spurr said:

There’s no bigger pussy on that sideline than Dave Canales. When your head coach and QB are such betas, you have no chance. 

You aren’t wrong

Mr Roger’s isn’t going to cut it particularly when paired with pee wee Herman 

2 hours ago, The Lobo said:

True, but glazing a dump off to the flats is a bit much 

To be fair, perhaps he was trying to not be totally negative lol

One has to ask

what are the Panthers going to do now that Plan A is finished 

how many games are left, 8  lol

i want the qb whisperer and guru to show something new and inventive in play selection and scheme and personnel 

somehow, I don’t think he or idzik can

Canales is not helping the situation    I have absolutely had it   

1. Injured guards and a rotating line,  ok,   go max protect vs empty backfield  help them …including a TE in the backfield if needed  you are where you are.

2. There is zero imagination in any of this offense..,zero.  There is no rule that says you can’t have both Rico, Chuba  or start a TE  in the backfield at the same time with only 2 wide receivers 

3. The WR line up is not working.   Change it.   he keeps trotting the same lineup out there that has  not worked     I don’t give a poo what they do in practice.  Game day results is what  matters   Dropped passes…bad routes..sit them down  put in Moore if you need to   Don’t care   Find a possession receiver not named McMillan 

4  TE  Lineup is non existent in pass offense.   Change it.  Sanders ain’t it  period, end of story… drops   no,YAC   He would be 3rd string on any other team   Put the older  veteran out there with Tommy or Mitch

5. For the love of god, this is pro football, find 2 pass plays over 10 yards your QB can throw consistently and do it  and do it from a running set     If he can’t do the minimum, find someone else   or maybe, just maybe, the minimum, with less to think about  gets his head straight 

     Ps  when you need 7 yards, don’t ask him to throw it 30 to the end zone, you know he can’t   You’ve admitted it 

6  your qb is not a pocket passer   Accept it, just like you did with Baker   Move him

7. Personnel.  If you execute, you play.  If you don’t, you sit   Too many dropped passes by all of them.   Pro football requires execution 

The full  team will quit on Canales if he, who is the OC and HC, can’t fix the area he is supposed to be a ‘guru’ and ‘whisperer’ for and I don’t blame them

/end rant

3 minutes ago, toldozer said:

17 times Bryce has been under 70 yards in the first half, more than 33% of his starts. The dude fuging sucks. He's been over 200 yards 12 times in his damn career. There are other problems for sure but we cannot accurately solve those until turnover Fred gets the fug off the field 

I Will never live down 

‘turn over Fred ‘ vs  ‘turn over free’  in the title I couldn’t edit

ironically, the ‘Fred’  was more appropriate 

lol lol

I meant to say  too that corbett needs to sit and so does moton

both are shadows of what they were 2 years ago.  Age and injuries 

why canales finds it impossible to have rico and chuba in backfield together or tremble with a back is beyond me

they beed to find one route past 10 yards for young to throw consistently   Just one and if they need to go max protect for that,  then for the love of god, do it 

The same line used at GB, in the same formation, should have stayed

25 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Yeah, I feel like the Saints biggest plays on offense came because our edge rushers completely whiffed on the sack. Slough then scrambled outside of the pocket and then hit an open downfield receiver. I'm starting to think Edge might actually be a bigger concern than Linebacker - we just don't generate any pressure with a 4 man rush unless DB beats the double team he is facing
 

Defense was awful IMO Sunday. It's just the offense was soooo ass that we are directing our hate more towards the O

Hard to fault  the defense when they were on the field all day. 

the offense, i believe i heard, had 1 first down the entire second half  and only a couple in the first 

you are correct that there were numerous whiffs by tacklers in any case 

19 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

By no means am I sold on Dave and Dan but Morgan played NFL football at a high level and knows what he is looking at. I firmly believe Tepper anchored these guys with Bryce and told them they had to try to fix him before moving on. Dan has made enough decent moves to convince me he understands how to build a team.

Perhaps 

given tepper allowed the panthers to move on from darnold and baker 

and Cam

Too quickly without a plan other than ‘swing for the fences until we find our guy’ Fetterer

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

I still don’t get the Dan Morgan mental gymnastics and how folks have invented this world where Morgan quietly raged against all Fitterer’s decisions with no evidence. 

I think odds are Bryce present day is here because of Morgan more so than Tepper.  Tepper is horrible at hiring but Tepper isn’t the type to get stuck on ideas or people or afraid to admit mistakes (his is the opposite). 

Quite honestly 

the decisions by dave and dan on the qb room makeup in 2025 indicates either 

1. A prove  it that young is not the guy by giving him no pressure of competition and every opportunity to fail to show the owner that the franchise needs to move on

or

2. God forbid, they really  believe he is a nfl capable qb 

fans are screwed in either case

25 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

Woof. Dave and Dan are smart enough to understand what the deal is with Bryce. They just have to convince Tepper that we have to move on.

No way do they give him a contract

Keep him through year 4 but on the bench and get brisset for next year

find that qb in 2027 draft

seen enough 

nothing short of a prolific offensive showing over the remaining  games against decent opponents justifies keeping him in a starting role next year 

..or Canales as offensive coordinator 

Next Gen Stats Insight for Saints-Panthers (via NFL Pro): 

Much of Tyler Shough’s production was directed outside the numbers, as he finished 11 of 16 for 202 yards and both of his touchdowns on such attempts.

His yardage total outside the numbers was the second-most by a Saints quarterback in the last eight seasons and most by any rookie in 2025.

NFL Research:

The Panthers had their sixth game of the season with seven or fewer points in the first half.

Carolina is 2-15 when Bryce Young starts at QB and has less than 70 yards in the first half in his career.

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

D. Watson, Stafford(unlikely), Mayfield(never gonna happen), 2023 QB Rookies, Davis Mills, Brissett, Mac Jones, Will Levis, Drew Lock

Take Brissett