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We learned, just like Europe, that rest homes are very vulnerable. Everyone was supposed to know that going in, at least we all argued about it in early March, but still, we got hit hard there. Not protecting the elderly, and our country being way too fat and stubborn, all goes into the soup we have been served. You can try to blame it all on your most hated political enemies, but it won't help the facts. Gov has no common sense.

Texas was also checking people coming in from LA after the blowup in New Orleans

Florida had some restrictions early on when half of NY headed their way, but not sure how long it lasted

science huh? well then

Why not just "estimate" 500k, sounds even more dramatic

Yep. As the Covid world turns. Seems like the biggest thing was N95 masks, then ventilators, and on and on. With each crisis comes the realization that maybe it was not a big a crisis as stated. Toilet paper seemed like a crisis 5 years ago. Sooo much info has come and gone since all this started. But it still goes back to what we knew. Keep the old and sick/health issues isolated, and 90% of your problem solved. For some reason, we have taken the approach that everyone had to isolated, which meant nobody got isolated. It might have been cruel to lock up the elderly, so to speak, but because we did not, the virus seemed to ravage senior homes as expected. It happened in other countries too. UK and Italy had same issues. But yeah, Biden could have fixed all that, haha. Actually, I doubt any politician could have fixed it. They could have talked about it better, made us think they "cared" haha, but doubt the actual responses would have been a lot more effective

True Because Trump talks like a spoiled teenager, or worse, people automatically dismiss what he does because of what he says. It's like they would rather a politician lie to their face with grace and poise, than to listen to someone lie like a spoiled brat, haha. And it does not matter what the law is, people will believe what they want to believe. Biden can say anything now and will not be questioned, so most don't care whether it would do any good or can be done by law. It is just that is something different than Trump, so it has to be good.

Some are ultra political in nature and find that their favorite pol has had a hand in all good and that the opposition has a hand in all that is bad. Basically, from the beginning, our country, from the bottom to the top, left and right, have made what we now know as mistakes. If no vaccine comes into view by January, then the next administration will have to deal with it. And then, everyone will change their story. Trump folks will say Biden could have had this thing whipped if he were Trump and ABH will say, "you fugging idiot, he is doing everything he can". It's just the same push button response we get from most TBox guys. Never do they detail what is good, just that the opposite of Trump, is apparently the only good they see. Whether Trump or Biden is in office in late January, without a vaccine, we will still struggle through this mess for awhile longer

A bit jaded there aren't you Pollyanna. You forgot Russia and the post office. And he is as much your president as he is mine. Still, I hope the plasma release helps a ton of people. Maybe for you guys that are sooo caught up in the politics, people can still die until someone new is elected, then you can pull for the sick people. Us feeble minded folk will want whatever can help as soon as possible.

Yes Pollyanna, but that was explained in the press conference. You'd rather let folks die and put off for 6 more months to get the "official" results? Mayo clinic got big gov money for the trials. We average losing 1k per day and if we can save 3-400 people, you don't think it worth a shot?

The new plasma treatment is certainly good news. Not the vaccine, but a possible 1/3 less deaths and strain on the healthcare system is certainly a good start.

Probably about the best you will get.

He has some very wild videos out there, but some of the stuff is interesting. Conspiracy guy for sure

Died. From brain bleeds from a fall. Been on blood thinners for years. At least that is what the news is reporting

and it just keeps morphing https://www.studyfinds.org/worst-face-masks-covid-19-bandanas-neck-gaiters-more-harmful-than-no-mask/

https://news.yahoo.com/spain-again-grapples-europes-worst-155113562.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-is-back-in-new-zealand-after-102-days-11597143065

Neice was sick and went to doc on Friday, tested for Covid Had strep, found out at 730 this morning negative for Covid

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/02/health/gupta-coronavirus-t-cell-cross-reactivity-immunity-wellness/index.html

I remember watching the twin towers fall, but didn't believe it because it was a Foxnews feed. Did not feel the impact until watching the CNN feed of the towers going down.

And are both full of hot air

Speaking of Europeans, I suppose you guys did not watch the vids I posted a few days ago? Because if you did, you'd have to find ways to trash them. They are basically saying that all the masks and stuff might help a little, but not much. They also say that in hindsight, they should have protected the elderly, period. The rest of society, is by and large okay. Numbers according to them will be close to swine flu numbers when all said and done. There is a whole series of videos like the ones I posted from guys (doctors, scientists, etc) from all over Europe. But CNN or Fox will post a sensational headline of 75k cases one day, and you melt. And don't flatter yourselves acting like everyone that does not believe you is a moron. CRA did that for 3 years about Russia.