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So would your man Biden have thought it a terrible idea of closing the borders? We know the answer on that one. Anyway, if anyone thinks politicians are there to do much beyond keep power, then they are a bit misled. So we give a bit of credit to Bush II for starting the conversation on pandemics. But, presidents can suggest more money or less money for programs, but generally Congress has to get on board to actually pass the money for it. Vote buying is generally the way pols operate. Whether it is huge tax cuts or big entitlement programs, that is how they keep power, by manipulation. Spending money on a "virus possibility" will not get you votes and not many will do things ahead of time. You can keep grinding your ax for Biden all you want, but doubt he would have done any better. Again, nobody in the world was ready for this, and you cannot prepare for a pandemic in a couple months, as evidenced by the globe as we speak. I did not vote for Trump nor Hillary, thought they were both less than qualified to hold the office. Just so you know. So manipulation and Twitter truth can only go so far.

Hard to do when Trump is living in your head. I know I will get banned again for telling you to take it back to TB, but whatever

Many have been talking about it for a couple weeks. Just depends on the trials. Tons of companies with tons of trials already begun on many directions.

https://news.yahoo.com/antibody-tests-key-ending-covid-19-lockdowns-162305617.html They are finally getting to this also

Pence and Trump were not in the video. Just Carlson talking to doctors and others. Not sure where the vid is now, but no participation button for you.

Starting at about 11 minutes in, and running to 21 minutes, they start questioning what I was questioning a week or so ago. What do the numbers say, and should we have gone a different direction by quarantining the folks at risk, would the total deaths be less and the economy still be running? At least I am not the only one to think this way.

France had a really bad day. 1355 deaths https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52131940

https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-coronavirus-death-toll-is-far-higher-than-reported-11585767179

I am surprised nobody said that the online courses, with the better teachers, could not be broadcast within the school classroom. Maybe certain kind of math teachers, or science teachers are in short supply. Then take the best in the state, have them teach the lessons, and show it to classes around the state. No question and answer or individualized attention, but it could be that having the most talented and proven teachers do the lesson, would lessen the need for the extra attention.

Yep, that is why I said the social aspects of school, beyond bullying, were very good. Like L George, I don't see it as an all or nothing endeavor. With so many crises of the past, we learn things when forced into situations. The question was, how do you think it might change. We obviously don't want to go backwards.

Question was A, B or C You answered NO It is just a discussion

True, but China has had to lower their prices to compensate for the tariffs. I should have been more clear

Changing subjects again, just a bit. How will this change education? Anyone see a day when school, at least for certain grades is totally online? What changes would it make for budgets? If schools were at home, it would be well cheaper than running buses, maintaining and building schools, etc, etc. But, the teachers could be laid off by the thousands and the same broadcasts could be sent to kids in different districts and different states. Kids would not miss school if they were a bit sick, even weather related closures might mean school goes on anyway. There are pros and cons to any idea, and I think the social aspects of being with other kids are very good, although the bullying would subside. School sports would be impacted, how to grade an assess a students aptitude by not having the one on one could be problematic. But, each child could get a free computer and such easily for the money saved. School lunch programs are another issue. Anyway, just throwing a couple topics out there for "post corona" America.

I feel like there will be a financial impact to China. People will initially want to get some sort of payback for their part in this episode. Will it last? No, not unless laws are enacted. We will enact something for drugs being made here, but, will also have to enact something so pricing does not skyrocket. Without legislation, nobody with good intentions and "Made in America" logos will last long. People will buy it from lowest seller. Now, if we continue to buy from them and keep the tariffs in place, they will essentially be funding our government somewhat which might in the end help pay for some of the stuff we are having to shell out currently. As I am writing this, I am not certain if I have thought it through that clearly so no piling on, haha. Will be a fine line to walk

What will the worlds reaction to China be once this is all over? Nobody has time to worry with it now, but do you think China will suffer economically by the world turning its back on them?

Numbers and risks More men dying than women, diabetes, vaping. Lots of do's and don'ts https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-who-is-more-likely-to-die

China starts virus, then cashes in by selling the world bad kits and supplies. https://www.foxnews.com/world/netherlands-becomes-latest-country-to-reject-china-made-coronavirus-test-kits-gear

Had heard last week that the China tests were only about 60% accurate. Probably because they were in such a hurry

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/can-you-catch-coronavirus-twice-you-ll-probably-be-immune-n1171976

Looks like we have been vulnerable for vent shortages for quite a while Again, unless you actually have run into something like this, then most people will not stockpile for things that might never happen. Can't really blame the people through the years. But from now one, I expect there will be stockpiling of all sorts of things. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/federal-agencies-warned-of-ventilator-shortages-for-nearly-two-decades

People recovered from the virus could hold a lot of keys The plasma is already being used to help sick victims. Another reason that I'd love to see he test implemented in a hurry which shows if you have already had the virus. Blood drives could be more important very soon.

Agreed, cat's out of the bag now, so we will watch and wait and hope.

Here are some other groups, probably full of elderly, acting stupid. Every responsible congregation should be live streaming and cut the crap about your religious liberties. It is not banned but put on hold for a bit. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/some-megachurches-are-still-packing-in-crowds/ar-BB11SBxU

You can ask me direct instead of the "in front of the whole class" thing. When this things passes, in 3 months, or 6 months or whatever, then we will get all sorts of info and scenarios. I would bet that if the 65 and older, at risk folks had been kept safe, and out of harms way, they would be hating everyone involved and saying there was no need to trample their rights, because not that many in the world died. And duh, NOBODY has said it is just an old person disease, but does KILL them way disproportionately. The whole, "lets treat em after they get it" might not have been the best approach. The harsher measure should have been put in place for them early on, but again, they might complain. Someone in this thread even suggested it was a Nazi method. They are still being treated just like everyone else at this stage as far as anything further than "urgings" from officials. I might be out to lunch on this, but guess we will see in the numbers. The early numbers showed it was very bad for certain groups by a wide wide margin. Don't lose perspective, we can lose 50k each year in the US for seasonal flu and not blink, and that include hundreds of kids. Like I said before, if you have statistics and science, why not use them? There are diseases we have in the US that affects male vs female and young vs old. This might need to be tailored a bit in that direction. That is all I am saying.