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16 hours ago, Basbear said:

I think with the investment, they are hoping BY can remain a panther QB. I get that and all, but like I posted above his rank has gone from 32 to 28 to 26..... that's still not #1 overall I carry the team good. But they hope he can make the jump, who knows.......I was never a believer, but I have seen tiny talent and know about the poor level of players and coaches he's had around......

That's exactly how I feel about it

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

65 yards more per game is huge. He needs to basically improve his production by a third to match what Darnold did last year. That would be Bryce leaping from 27th in the NFL in passing yards per game (bottom tier starting QB) to 9th in the league (top 10 QB production).

What you're asking for is a new QB because it's not a realistic expectation for a 4th year player with serious physical talent limitations to make that type of leap.

You gotta admit there were games where our wr's had a lot of drops on throws they should've caught. Along with the Bryce throws ha. If Coker can play a full season I like our wr room a lot better. 2nd year TMac, better options than XL. It stand to reason if Bryce can limit to half the duck throws and we can get half as many drops the numbers will improve a good bit. I mean I get your take that hey it's just all doo doo til we get rid of Bryce but it's more fun for me to wait and see what they actually do this year and hope they surprise us

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's the problem. You act like hitting Darnold's numbers is an achievable, modest improvement. Darnold threw for over 1000 more yards than Bryce did last year. That would be a monumental leap for Bryce.

I'm not acting like anything I'm saying it's the best case scenario. That's like 65 yards more passing a game. 

15 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The problem is that you have a very small handful of legit good games to cling to vs. all the rest of Bryce's career. He has to be at his absolute best. Even "good" on the "Bryce curve" is below average for NFL starting QB standards and "average" on the "Bryce curve" is "we need a new fuging QB" for NFL starting QB standards. 

Right I totally get that. But we're not getting one this year. If he can hit Darnold's numbers from last year and the D tightens up we should be able to play complimentary football and be pretty good. What we gave up to get him is sunk cost at this point. The teams finally good enough around him to see whatever his best is, no excuses left it's on him to elevate. I've got my doubts but  IF he can it's what's best for the team so might as well just see if he's got more in him. I just want him to answer the question definitively. Either crash and burn or lift the team up

17 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

How many of those teams are better than the Rams and the Packers?

I think we're more talented this year than we were last year. 

I'm not saying we're going to sweep all that comes before us, but I think a 6-11 projection underestimates the roster rebuild job that's going on here. 

Our best games last year were vs the Rams. If Bryce can play closer to like he did in the playoff game and defense improves like it looks on paper consistently we will be a hard out for anyone 

1 hour ago, CanadianCat said:

Tommy Tremble - I have love in my heart for this man.. maybe this is the year... 

I've always wanted to see him in more of a fb/hback role. Dude runs hard once he's got the ball

21 hours ago, 45catfan said:

I mean, literally our division are the most winnable games. 

Lions-L

Bears-L

If Burrow and Jackson are healthy-L's

Seattle-L

Denver-L

Vikings-W (if we catch them early in the schedule)

Packers-L (depends which Love shows up)

Pittsburgh-Rogers-L, other QB,-W

Cleveland-Depends on QB play-L (again depends on when we play them)

Philly-L

Even if we go 4-2 in the division, this is looking rough.

 

Why are we afraid of the Browns. Or Pittsburgh. Shedeur and the Aron bs. Our defense will be better. I'm not sold on Caleb and Burrow has to deal with Cincy's shitty oline. I haven't seen MVP Lamar in a minute. Just saying lots of questions about these other teams. Anyone can obviously lose to anyone but just looking out roster it  seems more complete then several of these teams

31 minutes ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

If he doesn't have close to an MVP level season, then there is no way we can hand him a huge long term contract. If things stay as they are 2027 should be loaded with QBs. If not we have Pickett and Haynes King to hold us over. It scares me to offer Bryce a huge contract

Oh yeah makes sense to be afraid of a Daniel's/Giant situation. I want him to either clearly play his way into that or not. Big difference in 25 million and 50+

16 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

counterpoint - Reid recoginzed Smith was limited and he wasnt going to win a SB so he made a change.  He was 11-4 the year prior and 9-6 the year they drafted Patrick.  But again Reid recognized he had to elevate the qb position to win.  Just like Mcvay and Shannonhan

Right on, which was why I was saying if he's the guy that at least gets us to that point that's an upgrade from where we've been. We were a terrible situation for any QB to walk into so at very least I like that our rosters much better to support someone. It's on Bryce to show if he can do it...if not the next guy walks into a much better situation 

2 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

Whatever happened along the way, Alex Smith came to be one of the toughest and most professional QBs to ever play the game. No shame on his name. 

Exactly..dude made them a playoff contender. There's very few Mahomes'/Allens. You can win with a good QB even if it's not one of those guys 

4 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

There was no reason to believe in either Cam or Jake as a top tier elite QB before those seasons either. Cam was an "athletic" QB in most people's minds and his passing skills were open for debate. And there was a bit to that as he was still trying to get that massive power in his arm tamed to be able to put some touch on his passes. And then, he did it. Missiles became bombs, the firing lanes became points of finesse. Cam grew up and leveled up, while still retaining the ability and drive to truck people whenever he wanted.

And Jake... no one freaking believed in Jake except Jake himself. He got, and let's be honest with this, one chance in a losing game to make something out of his career. And he rose to the occasion like some kind of mythical hero and continued to do so for the season. He became a true leader for the team, and his gunslinger capabilities rehabbed Moose's career and created Smitty as a force in the league. Smitty went from a barker to a biter. But no one believed in Jake going in. And they trashed him on his way out.

Now Bryce... who knows? I've seen some improvement. Maybe he finds his footing. His teammates seem to love and respect him and that means a lot. The game should be moving at his speed now. He has weapons available to him and maybe a defense that doesn't just roll over by the third quarter. And his coach seems to be moving this team in the right direction. Could he do it? It's up to him, if he can find the magic like Jake and Cam did.

But don't doubt this, magic is really, really hard to find. 

Good take...Seattle just won with Sam Darnold throwing 4000 yds and 25 tds. Good numbers but not world beater. They played to his and the team's strengths. Drew Brees and Bryce's numbers are very similar their first 3 seasons. It'd take a BIG jump for Bryce to get close to that but even getting in the ballpark will make us a contender. Or  if he's our Alex Smith then we finally have a good roster for a rookie to walk into

35 minutes ago, TD alt said:

I agree. What I'm saying is that Canales doesn't really seem to value using TEs at a level where a legit star is necessary anyway , unlike some coaches, and that his seeming refusal to appreciate and adapt to arguably a more efficient and modern offense may be a contributing factor to him getting canned. Drafting Sadiq was never a real thing in my mind (and that's why l never really spoke on it (if at all), because a move-TE doesn't seem necessary in the regular flow of the game to Canales.

I'm interested to see what Idzik can do with Bevell helping. Adding some of the west coast boots and play action off of it /misdirection stuff would be good for Bryce imo

12 minutes ago, rebelrouser said:

NFL.com gave us an A- and that is my grade too.  I think the bad grades are based largely on writers not knowing our true needs.  Anyone who thought our first two priorities were TE and Edge (looking at you ESPN), didn't know our team or staff and would have been disappointed.  Our biggest Achilles heel entering the draft was oline and we took are of that.  

I've made too much fun of other teams taking TE's in the first round to ever want us to do it. Maybe if your roster is absolutely loaded. The drafts a crap shoot but I like what they did

1 hour ago, PanthersNCSU said:

Also, I think Schrager has a pretty good feel on the Panthers as far as national guys go. 

Wouldn't surprise me if plan number one is Thieneman. McShay echoed it recently on one of his pod appereances where teams/players he felt most confident in, the 2nd one out of his mouth was Thieneman to the Panthers.

If he's gone, trade down is our next favorite option IMO since we may like guys like Rodriguez and KC more than others in the supposed 19 range. 

We've needed a safety like that for a long time wouldn't be mad at all

The KC talk reminds me of the Walker smokescreen last year

59 minutes ago, La Pantera said:

 

KC trying to get the ball 

Yeah we've had our fill of WR's with brick hands ha

11 minutes ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

Morgan and Company arent telling anyone anything. They are behind closed doors. If they are saying someone it's to throw people off like Jalon walker last year. 

KC Conception is the last person I would want in that range. We already have a WR with drop issues 

Right, the floor for any WR/TE we even think of taking that high should be "great hands and great route running" otherwise just roll with what we have

56 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

I mean you could change it...

Ha I know right.  It makes since for them to ride out his option years and see if he can take another step forward. If not our next QB steps into a good  situation. If you look at Drew Bree's' stats his first 3 seasons in San Diego they're pretty similar to Bryce's and those offenses had a lot of talent. Best case is he takes that same kind of leap now. I don't know if he's got that in him but we're about to find out for sure

32 minutes ago, frankw said:

There isn't but it would help if he and his draft scouts would stop targeting the same type of WR. Maybe put extra emphasis on hands and route running instead of constantly chasing RAS. Just a thought...

That's a very true statement. The reason Bryce threw to Thielen so much is he was exactly where he's supposed to be. Everything has to be about anticipation and timing with his size. Can't change that so gotta prioritize WRs knowing where to be and the hands so we don't have wasted plays

6 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

You want Fano then. I would be ecstatic if they somehow got him. But there's no way he falls that far.

Strange things happen in the draft just want them to hit on their guy...I don't follow college football so I just go off you guys' opinions and write ups etc

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

I get it.  this is the conservative approach, but we are talking about a right tackle.He is a player I really like,but at 19?  This mock would appeal to the people who want an OT in round 1, but maybe addressing the RT spot is the way to go. Not sure if Miller can play both sides.  He would sit behind Moton.

With the LBs that are predicted to be there is round 2, hard to explain the TE--although this one is solid.  Stowers is a very good TE and he would upgrade the position and offense immediately.

Farmer:  If he skipped his SR season, how did he play in the SR bowl?  Farmer is a good OL, but I this would be another pick who sits year 1.  

Very conservative with a practical eye to the future--if you consider the $$ they will pay Bryce, it is possible Moton and at least one of the guards is not on the 2027 roster.  In that case,, this is very nice.  However, if you are looking for help in 2026, this is minimal.

 

Right... I'd want to know can he slide to guard if needed. Injuries always happen on the oline I think someone that can cover multiple positions is always good to have

9 hours ago, TD alt said:

For the record (around 19 mins), he "loves" KC Concepcion, and he said that he might be the most dynamic receiver in all the class.

Seems like a guy that could turn the 10-20 yd passes from Bryce into 40+. People hated the Kuechly pick when we took him but the fact is if we get probowl/top tier player it's hard to hate the pick even if we think we're covered at that spot 

36 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

I do think we will add another WR at some point in the draft but a first round pick would be... Frustrating.

Just depends on if/how they use him. The way Idziks talking we might be going more spread offense since Bryce seems to play better out of it. Tmac and Coker are both big WRs a dynamic wr that can actually catch and run good routes could work wonders. Obviously would mean they better hit on their other picks and that wr better be a badass or we'll all be cussing ha

17 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

 

Man I hate  Payton getting this guy

The list of prospects by rd that was posted earlier that I saw looked like all the first round guys we've met so far were defensive, DT/LB/and Edge. Obviously there will be more and probably missed somebody but just stood out to me