Imagine paying $375 million to replace a guy up for his third Emmy in a row

41 minutes ago, CarolinaLivin said:

Panthers reportedly 'intrigued' by Arizona WR Tetairoa McMillan, per Joe Person

McMillan has great size (6-4, 219) and an uncanny ability to high-point the ball. Without blazing speed, there are concerns about his ability to separate. Some in Carolina’s organization are intrigued.

https://pantherswire-eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/panthers/2025/03/24/2025-nfl-draft-rumors-panthers-tetairoa-mcmillan-interest/82634663007/

Doesn't bode well for their confidence in Leggette IMO. Very similar profile.

18 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

If you wanted an idea of how bad our team actually was/is, precisely one of our free agents was signed yesterday. 

Darnold and Mayfield making $100m each and their stats since leaving are better than Young's career so far.

Would have been nice but I'm ok with letting him go at that price

The whole idea behind drafting Bryce was that he'd be a distributor so we wouldn't need one. That's how they justified trading our #1 WR to get him. I don't believe the passing game is so bad that we should be abandoning that already, especially now that Bryce is finally coming along. Coker looks good, XL is far from a lost cause, we still have Theilen as some extra insurance. They should draft a burner in the early rounds but it doesn't need to be the first pick.

An incentive based, non-guaranteed contract makes the most sense for the situation but it would make cap management a pain and Bryce might prefer to just test the market when the time comes. In short: it's too soon. 

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Get press the fug out of the locker rooms. You're going to have your press conference, ask your questions there. You don't need to be up in the players' business when they're changing and either celebrating or decompressing. I mean, damn...

And it's a trap to get something out of them in the heat of the moment. Players either have to rattle off some generic non-statement, say something that could get them in trouble, or say nothing and get in trouble.

The NBA sideline interviews are the worst. The guys haven't even caught their breath yet and getting asked to assess the game they just played

20 hours ago, frankw said:

I would say that's a poor choice of words on his part. He can convey the point that the Panthers were in disarray at best when he was drafted without calling the whole roster losers. There definitely were some quality players on that team. At the same time it shouldn't be confused that just any rookie QB would have came into that situation and flourished or gone on to be named rookie of the year. And also while I am very pro 89 there's also the reality that not just any QB let alone a rookie was going to be at all adept at managing his personality.

Anyways I think Cam needs to take a step back and assess this media persona he's created for himself. At some point with how he navigates this he is tarnishing his own brand and legacy for the sake of clicks and social media exposure. I mean he's giving credence to the things people used to say about him especially those who ironically were in the media. He's becoming that which he was victimized by because he still craves the limelight. That's unfortunate.

Cam acts like he's a respected authority who can criticize teams and other quarterbacks. I get why. If all these talking heads who've never thrown a football in their life can speak on it than why not a Heisman winner and MVP? Problem is the narrative that Cam was a gifted player who came up short because of his selfishiness is still alive and well.  So that gets thrown back in his face a lot and he takes the bait everytime. 

It's all been downhill since the Game Changers vs Game Managers stuff. From anyone else that's normal sports talk, but Cam's legacy is still too up in the air to be criticizing the people actively doing it. . Just recently he was asked if he would trade the MVP for a SB ring and it set him up to basically diss his old team. And he has too much of an ego to just state his opinion and stand on it so he tries to defend his legacy and then he becomes the topic of conversation

It's not like in the Carolinas where we blame his shoulder, his coaches, his roster etc. The average NFL fan thinks Cam is still physically capable and just too eccentric, selfish, or inaccurate to be in the league anymore. I don't think he realizes that so he keeps putting himself out there and making it worse.

I was certainly one of the those worried about his demeanor. Big ups to Bryce for putting in the hard work to turn it around. Coachability was ultimately the reason we drafted the guy and he sounds like they were right about his work ethic in the end. 

1 minute ago, flagfootballcoach28 said:

That’s even worse. He lacks self awareness. If he was an all rookie WR, then sure post your weird squirrel videos. But since he was a huge let down, a lot of people don’t want to see him broadcasting himself eating road kill.  Too bad he doesn’t have the same passion for posting videos of him hitting the jugs machine and improving himself on the football field. 

People will hate regardless so let him live. None of it really matters at the end of the day, only what he does on gameday.

On 1/1/2025 at 11:32 AM, electro's horse said:

You can only judge Bryce from after his benching. Talking people on tv said it so his defenders have said it to. 

It's fair to believe that Young's worst is behind him and his floor was raised with the benching. I'm not sold though. The best I can give him so far is that he plays to the level of those around him. I think he could win in the right offense but that he goes back to being the worst QB in football in the wrong offense.

Bryce’s upside is ambiguous because it all depends on how much he can develop that super processor of his 

Unless they’re all watching from nursing homes I don’t believe for a second that there’s still a significant Washington fanbase in the Carolinas. More than the Cowboys even? Steelers?

Legette is a jump ball specialist he was never going to be a seperation or YAC guy. Route running was actually one his knocks against him coming in. 

Any name that isn't a height reference he should take and run

34 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

We have one of the most expensive OLs in football, a very good running back, one of the best security blanket WRs in the league, and invested almost our entire draft in BY last year by going very heavy offense.

We still need another WR but we can't afford to ignore defense any longer to get BY the tools he apparently needs. Maybe in future years 

Do you think a different QB could take this offense to the playoffs?

Ron had legendary talents on both sides of the ball and couldn't get it done give it a rest guys.

If he can make the good performances we've seen this year his floor and minimize the bad to just a handful of games he can be great in the right offense. That's basically the original vision they had of dude. Eye popping stats were always a pipe dream which is why they've been saying stuff like "game manager" and "point guard" since before he hit the field. The idea all along has been that for Young to be great he has to be one of the most consistent QBs in the NFL to make up for what lacks. He's not there yet but I've seen enough to believe he could be with the right pieces.

2 hours ago, theinstrumental said:

Just bring Ev back. Get good players and stop making it so hard to build something consistent. I understand this board’s fetish for a 4-3, we had a bunch of great defenses running one, but nobody ever had a good defense under any scheme with a roster this bad. 

Agree. Might as well, I'm not sure anyone else could do much better.

I'm all for him as CB doing returns and the occasional snap at WR. If it's close to an even split my fear is even if the guy is fairly durable any injury means you're losing a key player on both sides of the ball.

17 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

Tepper insisted on the 3 4 whrn Ron was here and that defense has sucked ever since

i cant see anyone hiring Evero

i heard a respected pod caster talking about how denver’s defense took a step back when evero was there 

he didnt have a lot to work with this year and every team  deals either injuries but for  the love of God, a safety on Lamb…what are you doing  

Cardinals could  put up monstrous run yards With Murray alone 

add to it, the depleted cowboys gave the scheme of how to beat the panthers offense 

add to it, a safety on Harrison jr  

I think he'll get a pass from the media because the team is so bad top to bottom, seems to be the trend with us right now. No one watches our games so when it's time to talk panthers they rehash old talking points about the few pieces of the team they recognize. Someone will give him a chance as if his stint here never happened.

I can't see Wilks coming back even if we offered 

He is now

I also think the "eye test" is kinda weighted against Bryce's game.  If he's going to be great in this league his accuracy will have to make up for his disadvantages and reliably. It won't be as flashy as an Anthony Richardson highlight reel.